SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

Ok, well! Not going to be able to get to the practitioner... Just found out his office is much further away than expected, which is actually doable, but then also, just a few minutes later, found out that my partner is having an "impromptu" job interview on that day. I mean, literally, within minutes of each other.

So, yeah.

I'll just purchase what I need to keep trying (hopefully he isn't too annoyed with me). I haven't heard back from him yet, and I let him know we'd try to make something in the next couple of weeks, but I think we just decided we won't. It's so far (many hours each way), and it's not easy to get the time off. Phone calls are working and I'm willing to pay for the full product, one at a time to see what happens.
 
Hey Sue.

When I made my cannaoil capsules earlier this week, the recipe I used didn't use liquid sunflower lecithin as the person who posted the recipe said that he stopped using it when he heard it was hard on the heart. Do you know anything about that?

This is a new one on me HashGirl. I wonder how much lecithin one would have to consume? Also, lecithin is typically made from soybeans, which are mostly GMO now. The liquid sunflower lecithin has other components that aren't in regular lecithin. I'd bet he's talking about soy-based lecithin, and GMO at that.

Lecithin actually contains inositol, a B-vitamin-like substance that the body uses to support cardiovascular health and maintain good blood pressure.
 
Ok, well! Not going to be able to get to the practitioner... Just found out his office is much further away than expected, which is actually doable, but then also, just a few minutes later, found out that my partner is having an "impromptu" job interview on that day. I mean, literally, within minutes of each other.

So, yeah.

I'll just purchase what I need to keep trying (hopefully he isn't too annoyed with me). I haven't heard back from him yet, and I let him know we'd try to make something in the next couple of weeks, but I think we just decided we won't. It's so far (many hours each way), and it's not easy to get the time off. Phone calls are working and I'm willing to pay for the full product, one at a time to see what happens.

Sara, this a twist none of us saw coming. :laughtwo: Trust the universe. For some reason the time isn't right for the meeting. Let him know that you have a support group working with you. We have a certain amount of collective practical experience, :cheesygrinsmiley: and we won't let you get into trouble.

This should alleviate much of his concern, if he has any.
 
I'm tired. I'm turning in early tonight guys. Tomorrow I'll need all my strength for the party at Shiggity's. See you there.

Goodnight. :Love:
 
:rollit: I feel like a happy mouse! This study ties in with my belief that cannabis slows the progression or stops the progression of, in some cases, many disease that are characterized by inflammation of nerves or other body tissue at the cellular level! :passitleft: I have noticed several old guys who used cannabis regularly, always seemed to cope well with various health conditions. They may have a disease or condition but it never seems to take them out! Or if it does overcome them eventually, it greatly slowed the progress as compared to more typical experiences of non cannabis users. :tokin: Something is going to get us! Hope I am stoned and ok with that, when I gets it! :peace: Thanks! :high-five: HashGirl! this is encouraging info to add to our study group! It is a pity that the scientist are still more concerned with, if one is going to get "high" rather than, are they getting helped when they are high!
Hello Sue and Tim.

I ran across this article here on 420 that has some interesting info in it about using cannabis as a DMARD:

MARIJUANA AS MEDICINE


I was particularly impressed by the part that said:


A Phase I clinical trial conducted in Paris this summer found that a
synthetic derivative of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a major psychoactive
component of marijuana, relieved pain and reduced inflammation without
producing psychogenic effects.

In a new study released in August, the authors say their research shows one
of the cannabinoids, called cannabidiol, suppressed progression of disease
and joint damage in mice that had been injected with collagen to produce an
arthritis-like disease. The study, from the Kennedy Institute of
Rheumatology in London and Hebrew University in Jerusalem, also showed that
cannabidiol suppressed the release of tumor necrosis factor (TNF), which is
known to contribute to RA, in test tube studies of cells from these mice.

Even though they distilled cannabidiol from a powerful, concentrated form
of marijuana called hashish, it is not psychoactive and wouldn't make users
"high."

Study author Marc Feldmann, MD, PhD, of the Kennedy Institute of
Rheumatology and a major TNF researcher, was cautiously optimistic. "When
it works in mice, you're happy," he says, "but that's no guarantee it will
work in humans. However, this is a pure pharmaceutical compound that
doesn't have psychoactive effects, so it can be taken seriously as a drug."


 
:rollit: I feel like a happy mouse! This study ties in with my belief that cannabis slows the progression or stops the progression of, in some cases, many disease that are characterized by inflammation of nerves or other body tissue at the cellular level! :passitleft: I have noticed several old guys who used cannabis regularly, always seemed to cope well with various health conditions. They may have a disease or condition but it never seems to take them out! Or if it does overcome them eventually, it greatly slowed the progress as compared to more typical experiences of non cannabis users. :tokin: Something is going to get us! Hope I am stoned and ok with that, when I gets it! :peace: Thanks! :high-five: HashGirl! this is encouraging info to add to our study group! It is a pity that the scientist are still more concerned with, if one is going to get "high" rather than, are they getting helped when they are high!


Yeah, I don't get it either...

I have seen many posts here by people who want to avoid the euphoria, yet still seek the healing and pain relief.

Certainly you can choose to get high or not.. but my question is WHY? Is there valid reason medically to avoid the high? Does the euphoria somehow get in the way of pain relief and/or healing?

If I get too high, or stoned, the effect is somewhat disturbing...but a mild buzz just seems to make the day better. And for my wife's RA and pain, the euphoric effects she experiences are very welcome after waking up to "ground glass" in her hands.

But, I guess its fair to note that we were both brought up in the 60's, so we became comfortable with cannabis long ago.
 
I found this:

How to Customize Your Cannabis High with Temperature
Bailey Rahn

Many cannabis consumers think that customizing their cannabis buzz is limited to the strains they have on their shelves, but temperature is an equally important factor.

Think of temperature control as the key to unlocking whatever effects a strain can offer. A strain that’s high in CBD (non-psychoactive, relaxing, anti-epileptic), for example, must be heated to the compound’s boiling point of 356°F if you’re to reap its benefits. Likewise, the relaxing terpene linalool isn’t unleashed until you hit 388°F. Temperature can also determine a strain's intensity: higher temperatures typically exaggerate effects while lower temperatures offer a more gentle, mellow experience.

This type of customization isn't possible through smoking. When you bring a lighter to your bowl, you’re combusting the plant material which creates smoke, carbon dioxide, and other harmful byproducts. The temperature is hot enough to activate the THC and other compounds, but this “sledgehammer approach” isn’t terribly efficient, as temperatures that high can also destroy volatile but pertinent cannabinoids and terpenes.

Knowing that cannabis has a variety of precious constituents with different boiling points, I wanted to see how temperature affected the overall experience felt by different strains. Lining up a row of strain jars like test tubes, I turned on my trusty Herbalizer and began playing mad scientist.

Low Temperatures for Clear-Headed, Functional Effects

310°F to 330°F
Recommended for: mild euphoria, focus, productivity, subtle relaxation

There’s a time and place to be stoned off your rocker, but sometimes all you need is the slightest kick from your cannabis. For days when you need uplifting relief to carry you through chores and tasks, low-temp vaping is the key to a functional, productive buzz.

I loaded my Headband concentrate and set my vaporizer to 320°F in order to release three key constituents: the uplifting, focus-feeding terpene pinene; the pepper-flavored anti-inflammatory terpene caryophyllene; and of course, the psychoactive commander in chief, THC. Despite high levels of THC, vaporizing at this temperature didn’t make me feel stoned in the slightest. Instead, I was left feeling acutely alert and in complete control of my faculties. The taste was a subtle mix of herbs and pine, but certainly lacked the loud flavors found at higher temperatures.

Turning the heat up to 330°F, the high became slightly more intense but tasks and concentration were still completely manageable. The 290-330°F range seems the perfect fit for those who wish to stay productive and functional, cannabis novices and newbies, and/or anyone sensitive to THC’s side effects (dizziness, paranoia, dry eyes/mouth, lethargy, etc.).

Moderate Temperatures for a Balanced Buzz

330°F to 370°F
Recommended for: moderate euphoria, enhanced sensory awareness, mood elevation, functional relaxation

As you increase the heat, more THC is volatilized and your high becomes more intense. This middle range — 330°F to 370°F – gives rise to more euphoric effects that help elevate the mood, stimulate giggles, and kick start the appetite. It’s more functional than when you push past the 370°F mark, but you will most definitely start to feel the stone that lower temperatures spared you.

Historically, 365°F has been the sweet spot for me (I’ll never forget because the first time I vaporized, my friend read the machine’s clock-like screen and thought it was 3:65PM). I’ve always loved the combination of tamed euphoria coupled with the subtle relaxation and focus found at this temperature. I turned my Herbalizer up to 365°F and dished out more of the Headband wax. The vapor felt fuller than it did at 330°F, and the flavor was perfectly fruity with the aftertaste of sweet vanilla licorice. Its effects were distinctly different from the low-temp experience: my thoughts went from a sloppy sprint to a relaxed walking pace, allowing me to unwind and focus.

Whether you’re kicking back with a book, exercising, socializing, cleaning, or playing video games, these moderate temperatures provide most of the cannabinoids and terpenes you want without fully volatilizing the THC – I know many people who would want as much THC as possible, but for others it’s about achieving a careful balance of clear-headedness and blissful elevation.

High Temperatures for Intense Euphoria and Relaxation

370°F to 430°F
Recommended for: intense euphoria, sleep, heavy relaxation, meditation

For ultimate THC decarboxylation mode, turn your vaporizer above 370°F. At these high temperatures, you get terpenes like linalool (calming, anxiety relief) and cannabinoids like THCV (energizing, appetite suppressant), but keep in mind that they’re approaching combustion territory. You may even notice the vapor become smokier and harsher on the lungs.

Durban Poison is a South African sativa known for its elevated levels of THCV, a highly psychoactive cannabinoid known to weaken appetite (yes, weaken). I coincidentally had this strain in my collection last week, so I decided to cook it at 430°F to see if I felt more “energized” than I would at a lower temperature.

For me, the answer was a definitive yes. I finished inhaling the bag of Durban Poison fumes (a little bit went a long way) and shared it with my roommate when I realized how high I became after just a few hits. I passed the kitchen on my way out, and caught a glance of those old-fashioned chocolate glazed donuts – the kind you’d normally eat like popcorn after getting stoned. Call it a THCV placebo or miracle, but those seductive delicacies had no power over me (until later, but that's irrelevant).

Vaporizing the indica Skywalker at a high temperature – 390°F to be specific – was an entirely different story. Your muscles melt, eyelids get heavy, and thoughts become shrouded in a pleasant mental mist that makes it easy to fall into a calm, meditative state. I can’t say for certain whether it’s the linalool gained at 388°F or the more fully volatilized THC, but this strain was detectably heavier at higher temperatures and decidedly more sedating than the Durban Poison when vaporized at the same temperature. That bring us to the final and most obvious consideration when attempting to customize an experience: the strain.
 
Sara, this a twist none of us saw coming. :laughtwo: Trust the universe. For some reason the time isn't right for the meeting. Let him know that you have a support group working with you. We have a certain amount of collective practical experience, :cheesygrinsmiley: and we won't let you get into trouble.

This should alleviate much of his concern, if he has any.

Yes! He wrote me back and said he had also been asked to travel to see a cancer patient. AND I took a house/dog sitting job. So it's like - here I was careful to pick the seemingly perfect, open time, and then it becomes totally blocked all at once from every direction.

Hopefully he's willing to work with me without a visit soon and send me the CBD. At the moment, it's simply too hard to get there. Someday, I'll be able to drive on my own, and my dog will magically be less anxious, and I'll be able to do these types of things without having to correlate 100 schedules :grinjoint:
 
:rollit: I feel like a happy mouse! This study ties in with my belief that cannabis slows the progression or stops the progression of, in some cases, many disease that are characterized by inflammation of nerves or other body tissue at the cellular level! :passitleft: I have noticed several old guys who used cannabis regularly, always seemed to cope well with various health conditions. They may have a disease or condition but it never seems to take them out! Or if it does overcome them eventually, it greatly slowed the progress as compared to more typical experiences of non cannabis users. :tokin: Something is going to get us! Hope I am stoned and ok with that, when I gets it! :peace: Thanks! :high-five: HashGirl! this is encouraging info to add to our study group! It is a pity that the scientist are still more concerned with, if one is going to get "high" rather than, are they getting helped when they are high!


This is the hope! I mean, look at the value of stress relief alone - ALONE - to prevent and combat disease. I think that even if cannabis did nothing else, this is so valuable.

Inflammation is such a huge issue, and I saw the hemp and cannabis helping with my inflammation so dramatically. I mean, aren't most of our diseases offshoots of inflammation? And inflammation is caused by stress (lots of forms of stress).

So, honestly, I think it's a win-win. You feel good and you're improving your chances at a healthier life. What's not to love?
 
Sara if possible could you get him to write down the contents of these different solutions? Important for dosing and making custom solutions.

mdw has some pain issues. Had her try a drop of CBD in mct oil. She had a moderate allergic reaction to it. She is very sensitive to lots of things so it wasn't a total surprise.

Yes! He wrote me back and said he had also been asked to travel to see a cancer patient. AND I took a house/dog sitting job. So it's like - here I was careful to pick the seemingly perfect, open time, and then it becomes totally blocked all at once from every direction.

Hopefully he's willing to work with me without a visit soon and send me the CBD. At the moment, it's simply too hard to get there. Someday, I'll be able to drive on my own, and my dog will magically be less anxious, and I'll be able to do these types of things without having to correlate 100 schedules :grinjoint:
 
Interesting outcome and untested theory.

I keep all the oils / tinctures in the fridge. Yesterday out of the fridge start up dose normal reaction. Today, it was at room temperature because it was left out all night (my bad - good thing the dog didn't find it). My reaction was stronger than normal.

It could be other things but it does have me wondering if warming the oil increases bio availability or somehow makes the compounds stronger.

More tests to come.
 
Amazing front-line research going on here.... I am in awe of you all.

We're just a bunch of happy lab rats Danolo. We have curious minds, and some of us have lives that depend on this research, so we tend to try to have more fun with it so we come across more answers. It's all a learning process.

They are a fun group to hang around. :laughtwo:
 
Sue, a quick question: as you may recall, I found a supply of Fake RSO which, so far, seems to have a strong effect on my wife.

It as advertised as 37% THC / 24% CBD. She's been taking a rice-grain sized dab, orally, at bed time and on rising. She sleeps like a coma at night, and usually in the morning, after her rising dose, she go back to bed. for another 3 hours.

It works VERY well on pain relief, and also well with swelling in her knuckles.

I'm concerned about the huge sedative effect. Can she expect build up of tolerance so she's not knocked out, or should we reduce the dose?

My gut tells me that while sleeping, she's healing.

What do you think?
 
Pondering: The psychoactive effects of thc can be reduced, perhaps neutralized, with cbd.

Does that also reduce the medical benefits?

I don't believe so OldBear, and here's my thinking.

It's necessary for the ECS to avoid too much excitability. When this occurs receptors go offline. Offline receptors are contrary to what we want. In response to that the ECS developed this tempering effect that CBD mirrors, which keeps anandamide, the body's cannabinoid that THC mirrors, under control in this one respect.

CBD might turn out to be more than a cannabinoid in the end. There's speculation that it's in a class all its own. It multi-tasks. None of the other components have this marvelous ability. I'm certain that in the evolutionary process the system worked out the ability to continue the healing properties while toning down euphoria.

Does this sound plausible?
 
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