SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[chadillac5580]

Why thank you chadillac. Cool user name. I take it the given name is Chad? Welcome to the study hall and to the community at large. If we can, in any way, help to make it easier for you to find your spot in our neighborhood, please let us know. In this room we're all about answering questions, so don't feel you have to read through to ask. Deal?

Deal! Yes, my name is Chad, lol. It's great to be here! Blessings!

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[SweetSue]

Hi Sue.

Thank you for the compliment on the blog. I thought about posting it here but with the pictures, it seemed really long.

I do have some liquid sunflower lecithin that I bought on your recommendation but I when I read the article about making capsules by the Old Hippie, he said that he no longer used sunflower lecithin in his oil because he'd found out that it was hard on the heart (or at least that's what I think he said - I'll have to go back and check) so I didn't add it.

Now that it's been in my system for a couple of hours, I'm coasting along nicely. I'm slightly high but I don't think it would be a problem if I wanted to go to sleep. I actually feel a little more clear-headed than I normally do when I'm high. I definitely think I like them. I was thinking about having one of my Blondies tomorrow (or Scooby Snacks as DH and his work friends call them: but maybe I'll take a capsule after breakfast tomorrow and see how it affects me when I'm not tired and go from there. Popping capsules all day sounds sort of appealing but they're supposed to be medicine not fun so we'll see. Now that I'm made the oil, it would be easy enough to make more but I'm not sure I want to do capsules again although I did buy 1000 of them but my hands aren't too steady and even with the capsule filler device, I still had difficulty keeping my hands steady. However, that said, I only spilled a very teeny bit by one capsule.


Sue: The difference in recipes,is the ratio I believe and how much I took.

This recipe was:

• 6.252 g of Hash Plant
• 4 tbsps of Extra Virgin Coconut Oil (1/4 cup), melted

making 52 capsules with roughly .5 ml in each capsule. I don't know the grams per capsule number for sure but I think it's roughly .12g per capsule.


The other recipe was:

• 3.5 g of Hash Plant
• 1 tablespoon of coconut oil, melted

The minimum recommended dosage was 1/2 a teaspoon so that's what I took and then I was blasted all night and missed work the next day so I definitely think it's a ratio thing.

Yeah HashGirl, I think it might have been a difference of ratios.

Thank you for the notes. I'm loving all this thoughtfulness and insight.

 

[HashGirl]

Where do you all get this idea that length is a deterrent? Lol! You read my posts. HashGirl, you feel free to post anything here you believe will help us understand the process better. That was a lovely blog. I believe the more options we have like that for others to sift through the better. You left us a link. Maybe add to that post with one of the pictures from the blog as a visual teaser to entice members to go looking for it?

Thanks, Sue.

Do you think I should copy and paste it here then? I probably should have done that in the first place and then I could have blogged it so that I'd have a copy saved somewhere else.

Here's the link again for those who don't want to sift through everything since my original post:

Cannaoil Capsules - Take 1


And, here's a teaser photo like Sue suggested:

 

[HashGirl]

A quick update before I head off to bed. It's 10 p.m. and I started getting achy again about half an hour ago. So, this one capsule lasted about 2.5 hours, which especially if it turns out not to make me too sleepy might be perfect to take at 3 in the morning when my 1 ml dose I take before bed wears off. We'll see. I'm going to take another one in place of my regular 1 ml dose of the Nordle cannaoil I have and see whether I'll be able to sleep on it or not.

Good night.




P.S. Sue - All this thoughtfulness and insight is helping me, too. It's nice to have somewhere to talk about it with other people who are learning, too.

 

[Canyon]

Hash,

The smaller batch would be nearly two and a half times stronger. Now you know how much it takes to send you beyond your comfort zone and what is a rewarding level that you function well at.

Sleep well
canyon

 

[SweetSue]

Thanks, Sue.

Do you think I should copy and paste it here then? I probably should have done that in the first place and then I could have blogged it so that I'd have a copy saved somewhere else.

Here's the link again for those who don't want to sift through everything since my original post:

Cannaoil Capsules - Take 1


And, here's a teaser photo like Sue suggested:

Perfect.

 

[SL2222]

Sara, Thanks for posting this. It shows me that you are engaged in learning about MMJ! I agree with the gist of much of this article. There has been far too much emphasis on boosting THC, at the expense of CBD , various Terpines and etc., that certainly play a very important role in how MMJ works and interacts with various users and their conditions. You are unique , as we all are in some ways! I am planning to grow a balanced THC/CBD variety that is 8% THC while also having 8%CBD for myself! That may be far too much THC for you, even with the balancing act, the CBD will do! While I have tended to think most of us need Both THC and CBD, that may not be your case at all! I do believe more conditions respond positively to a wider spectrum of active ingredients, than not , but having said that ,also I believe that in some cases this will not be the case! It may well be that a higher CDB percentage or even no THC will be best for you! THCa is a bit of a wild card for me to think about! I usually, also feel that whole plant therapy is good! But with all people being Unique this was bound to have negatives for some! Sara, you know what feels right for you. Try some low THC, high CBD product from a Plant grown organically! Use only the vapor or edibles if possible, in tiny doses at first,(the capsule method with a reduced drop) as before. Then try CBD predominate very low THC product, then no THC at all. You may find that by changing your diet and exercise habits you finally have success with or without Cannabis. The main thing is you feel better about yourself and learn to control anxieties before they cause major upsets or interfere with being happy!

Thank you so much for your support! I love your input.

Good luck on the new plants! The THC level Should be great for you for different things. I can't wait to hear how it feels for you.

I think everyone I've talked to agrees that a healthy spectrum of all components of cannabis is important to heal. My practitioner wants me to build my tolerance over time so that I can get that. I am hoping that this information starts to spread as it will only boost the industry of growers and sellers start to cater to those who want little THC - resulting in more healing for more people.

I so agree that healthy living is vital. Healthy whole foods, tons and tons of fruits and veggies is so incredibly important to me, as is movement and exercise. I must! must! must! Increase my outdoor time. I know how healing it is, as do you. I have no excuses. I need to make better choices that way.

I'm hoping that as the cannabis slowly eases my anxiety, in moments and in the long term, I make more happy, healthy and fun choices. How fun to drive off to the city at night and see plays? Eat? Shop? Walk around? Chat with strangers? I have become so fearful because anxiety always hits. I am ready for the fun again!!

 

[SweetSue]

Thank you so much for your support! I love your input.

Good luck on the new plants! The THC level Should be great for you for different things. I can't wait to hear how it feels for you.

I think everyone I've talked to agrees that a healthy spectrum of all components of cannabis is important to heal. My practitioner wants me to build my tolerance over time so that I can get that. I am hoping that this information starts to spread as it will only boost the industry of growers and sellers start to cater to those who want little THC - resulting in more healing for more people.

I so agree that healthy living is vital. Healthy whole foods, tons and tons of fruits and veggies is so incredibly important to me, as is movement and exercise. I must! must! must! Increase my outdoor time. I know how healing it is, as do you. I have no excuses. I need to make better choices that way.

I'm hoping that as the cannabis slowly eases my anxiety, in moments and in the long term, I make more happy, healthy and fun choices. How fun to drive off to the city at night and see plays? Eat? Shop? Walk around? Chat with strangers? I have become so fearful because anxiety always hits. I am ready for the fun again!!

All that desire I hear. That's my assurance that you're on your way. Well on your way. I'll make sure to remind you to go easy on yourself. You're gonna get there.

 

[SweetSue]

"Chat with strangers?"

That set me to thinking. My daughter tells me she has in internal "script" for any possible social interaction, and when she's forced to speak to someone in public she sorts through the list, pulls out the appropriate script and proceeds to follow the plan. She has great detail in these scripts, and often time runs out on one and she's forced to scramble for another, until she's out of options and has to find a courteous way out of the conversation that's taking too much effort to maintain.

I wasn't aware of this practice until last month. For all the talking we do, this is one she never shared with me. It's one of the many ways she covered this over so effectively until she made her first suicide attempt.

It dangerous to keep it in, but it can be just as dangerous to spend too much time dwelling on what is instead of what will be. It's the "what will be" that we're most interested in attracting into your life.

 

[Tennessee Tim]

I thought it time to mention, I have been off all meds prescribed by my rheumatologist for treating RA, since just prior to July 1,2016 ! Does that mean I am pain free all the time? No, but I am not waking at night with aching pain in my hips and groin or shooting pain in my fingers and hands like I was before, even with methotrexate therapy. I am not sure it is all, the cannabis that I smoke or eat, that has improved my condition. But at the least it has not hurt with controlling symptoms either! I think my somewhat increased activity level, less sodas, less salt, and less pharmaceuticals of any kind, has all played a role! I have had so much THC in my system at times past, that I was probably overloaded and defeated any benefits from the herb! Once I began to be a bit more measured in my dosing and reduced my intake I began to get results, it seems! For quick effects I smoke or vape but seem to get more real health improvement from the Butter that I prefer, taken in small doses once or perhaps twice daily. This even more than the very concentrated oils WE make or get from infirmaries. I sometimes skip a day or a few days taking any cannabis and feel OK . When I begin to get aches and pains I dose up again!. No science to relay, just observations! My problems with panic attacks and claustrophobia has improved as well, but anxiety still lingers at times! If I smoke or vape too much nowadays, this can be a bit of a problem and bring me closer to a panic attack than I care to be! For me , It is about balancing my past stoner mentality with a more measured approach to relaxing with cannabis and medicating for pain with it as well! I goof up plenty, but overall I am doing much better anyway!

 

[Danolo]

I'm so happy to hear that you may have found something that helps your wife with her RA. Is she on any disease modifying drugs, too like methotrexate? I always felt nauseous when I was on methotrexate so if she's taking it, too, it may be cumulative with the new oil medication. I'm not a physicist so I don't know if pills and cannabis combined is a problem or not. It's just a thought.

When I was on methotrexate, I only took it once a week but I know some people take it every day. If your wife is an everyday kind of patient, maybe have her take the oil in the morning and the methotrexate at night just to keep them apart until she gets used to the oil.

She has stopped all pharmaceuticals, except once in a while when the pain is really bad she'll use a couple of the 220mg naproxin. Her original prescription was for Prednisone daily and methotrexate once a week. The side effects were bad and we started to look for alternatives, and we found cannabis.

So the prednisone and methotrexate sit on a shelf, unused. I also have about a dozen oxycodone that I kept back from my recent surgery (gall bladder) that we could use for really bad pain, but we are reluctant to use them unless the situation is really bad.-

The nausea she felt after taking the one dose of oil, passed in a few minutes. I'll get her to try something in her stomach first and see if that helps.

She is sleeping deeply right now and I'm hoping she'll stay asleep for several more hours. I'm reluctant to start celebrating yet, but we a somewhat hopeful that this oil will help.

I encapsulated a rice grain-sized dab in 8 capsules and she's gonna use them over the next few days, gradually increasing her dose. I'm not sure how high to go with this oil, but I know she cannot harmfully overdose, so a little experimentation is ok.

Once again, my thanks to you all for your support, your wisdom and your experience.

 

[Danolo]

This is very heartening to read Danolo.

The oil can be different consistencies depending on the processing. If it's working, be grateful and trust that you found what you needed. Are you planning on growing, or just hoping to find a consistent supply?

The upset stomach is most likely reaction to the new meds. It can take a while. There may also be an excess of chlorophyll in the oil, which can sometimes upset the stomach. If it persists you may want to try a different mix or oil entirely. I'm beginning to see that finding what you need in the open marketplace is more challenging than any of us believes is called for.

Did she eat before the tack? It's recommended to have food in the stomach to help offset the possibility of distress. Also, proper hydration is of primary concern on a cannabinoid therapy.

It warms my heart to know her pain has been relieved. Well done Danolo. Well done.

Nope I cannot grow... the environment here (a seniors apartment building) precludes making big stinks.

I do have a lead from someone who will grow for me, once I become legal. Not sure how that is gonna work, we'll see.

Yes Sue,we'll add in food in her stomach and lotsa water.

Thanks again you wonderful people...we'll keep going on this and let you know.

 

[Danolo]

Hey Tim, I relate to what you are saying about the "stoner" mentality. Its taking some discipline to take smaller measured amounts, rather than smoking our brains out to get wasted.

My step son has an interest approach to using cannabis. He uses what he calls "mini tokes". In a bong, he puts a very small amount of cannabis. Usually just enough to give him one good full toke. He also uses the same small amounts in his vaporiser. He claims he can stretch a gram out for several days, doing it this way. He is on a limited income, so his frugal "mini tokes" seem to work well for him. Of course my stoner mentality is to smoke or vaporise as much as possible at one time.

I'm slowly learning that less is more.

Good luck Tim..

 

[AngryBird]

I thought it time to mention, I have been off all meds prescribed by my rheumatologist for treating RA, since just prior to July 1,2016 ! Does that mean I am pain free all the time? No, but I am not waking at night with aching pain in my hips and groin or shooting pain in my fingers and hands like I was before, even with methotrexate therapy. I am not sure it is all, the cannabis that I smoke or eat, that has improved my condition. But at the least it has not hurt with controlling symptoms either! I think my somewhat increased activity level, less sodas, less salt, and less pharmaceuticals of any kind, has all played a role! I have had so much THC in my system at times past, that I was probably overloaded and defeated any benefits from the herb! Once I began to be a bit more measured in my dosing and reduced my intake I began to get results, it seems! For quick effects I smoke or vape but seem to get more real health improvement from the Butter that I prefer, taken in small doses once or perhaps twice daily. This even more than the very concentrated oils WE make or get from infirmaries. I sometimes skip a day or a few days taking any cannabis and feel OK . When I begin to get aches and pains I dose up again!. No science to relay, just observations! My problems with panic attacks and claustrophobia has improved as well, but anxiety still lingers at times! If I smoke or vape too much nowadays, this can be a bit of a problem and bring me closer to a panic attack than I care to be! For me , It is about balancing my past stoner mentality with a more measured approach to relaxing with cannabis and medicating for pain with it as well! I goof up plenty, but overall I am doing much better anyway!

This is what it is all about. Discipline and medicating oneself
My hubby has been a lot better (read calmer) since I started making cookies with canna butter.

 

[AngryBird]

Sara, I just realized that I'd forgotten all about my daughter's chronic sinus infection. I forgot about it because this malady that had been a constant companion for over a decade vanished from her life within a week of starting her capsules. She'd been on so many antibiotics over that decade it frightened us, and nothing cleared it up.

She has no problem with her sinuses at all any more.

Hubby says the same thing, when he eats cannna cookies, no runny nose. When they let go..nose starts running again. There is a connection here. I have noticed it too.

 

[Danolo]

Additional benefits???

Well, its a bit delicate to explain... let's see if you can guess?

I'm 69 years old and with that ageing has come a lessening of libido. I still want to, but my friend (points south) is not always "up" to the job.

Since using cannabis this past few months, I've noticed an improvement in that area.

My wife is not completely thrilled, but

That reminds me of a joke:

Grandma and grandpa wake up one morning.. Grandpa looks down, lifts the covers, then nudges his wife and says" Hey Maw, look at this!"

Grandma looks over, and says, "Humph, well, now that you've got wrinkles out of it, you may as well wash it".

Just a bit of senior humour.

Anyhow, additional benefits from cannabis..

 

[SweetSue]

Additional benefits???

Well, its a bit delicate to explain... let's see if you can guess?

I'm 69 years old and with that ageing has come a lessening of libido. I still want to, but my friend (points south) is not always "up" to the job.

Since using cannabis this past few months, I've noticed an improvement in that area.

My wife is not completely thrilled, but

That reminds me of a joke:

Grandma and grandpa wake up one morning.. Grandpa looks down, lifts the covers, then nudges his wife and says" Hey Maw, look at this!"

Grandma looks over, and says, "Humph, well, now that you've got wrinkles out of it, you may as well wash it".

Just a bit of senior humour.

Anyhow, additional benefits from cannabis..

Hahaha! That was a good laugh to start the day.

My libido took a 12-year vacation when menopause hit. It was as though someone reached in during an orgasm and threw the switch that controlled my libido to "off", and then camouflaged the room it was in so I didn't recognize it when I went looking for that damned switch. I remember distinctly the precise moment that it happened, it was that shocking an occurance.

I didn't make the connection between that agony and the possibility of it being tied to a deficient ECS, but then, because of the prohibitionary attitude of our collective governments, I was unaware I even had an ECS.

Between Callanetics and dramatically increasing my consumption of cannabis when I began growing my own, my ECS became strong enough to have my libido restart. Hallelujah! Yeah........ He was a couple months from death when it returned. Kinda cruel, if you let yourself go there. He died. He doesn't care about that hellish 12 years anymore. I'm almost ready to completely forgive myself for denying him something that important, even though I now understand what happened.

Thank God I married Dale. Twelve years of hell, he never stopped feeling me up every time I walked past him. I never once walked past him without stopping. In all that madness of deprivation the affection never waned. The universe has always watched out for me.

This bit of history gives deeper meaning to the fact that he never had a disparaging word towards me, in 34 years together. You see how I became SweetSue. There is no power stronger than love. I had 34 years of living that proved that to me beyond any shadow of a doubt.

And now, because of my affiliation with this site and the influence of all these brilliant people around me, I understand what happened there, and I intend to not be quiet about cannabis any longer. No one else should have to suffer needlessly like we did.

 

[SL2222]

Well, I woke today feeling sleepy but fabulous. Ready to put to use some new art supplies my love gave me for Christmas. But I decided to rinse out my cannabis tools I'd been using - some of which had full strength oil in it. Ummm, how dumb am I that I didn't wear gloves?! I know how intensely it can hit through skin contact. How crap. It would be funny if I didn't feel so terrible. It will be funny tomorrow, maybe From fabulous to panic, weakness and yuck.

 

[KingstonRabbi]

Sara, we all have done little things like that while we're developing and getting used to the process. Not dumb at all. I licked my fingers while making oil which didn't cause huge problem, but I've made much worse mistakes than that and in hindsight they are still funny.

I'm really glad you woke up feeling fabulous. So sorry it didn't last. You've made so much progress in figuring out what helps and what hurts. I really admire your persistence and optimism.

I wish you another fabulous start tomorrow to a fabulous day.

 

[SL2222]

Sara, we all have done little things like that while we're developing and getting used to the process. Not dumb at all. I licked my fingers while making oil which didn't cause huge problem, but I've made much worse mistakes than that and in hindsight they are still funny.

I'm really glad you woke up feeling fabulous. So sorry it didn't last. You've made so much progress in figuring out what helps and what hurts. I really admire your persistence and optimism.

I wish you another fabulous start tomorrow to a fabulous day.

Haha, thank you! Even taking my daily dose I was so careful about contact on my hands - I have no idea what came over me today. I wasn't thinking at all until it exploded in my system. I'm glad I had no plans today. I can't even get up. I can stare at a screen fine. Oh, it's funny, but still!