SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

Okay, they're done. Now I just need to figure out how much is a dose. I blogged it with photos if you're interested:

Cannaoil Capsules - Take 1

HashGirl, the link isn't working. Kuddos on the capsules though. I'm thrilled that you got the pain relief you were seeking. Let's see how tomorrow goes. A step in the right direction.

 

[SweetSue]

Truth is that as soon as Washington's recreational law went into effect last July high CBD strains pretty much disappeared along with everything useful for medical. Washington's LCCB shut down all the med dispensaries and also med growers and processors over "tax issues". This month I finally found CCO that I can use. And I live in a cannabis Mecca. It's out there but really really hard to find, and frustrating as hell to explain to bud tender why what they have won't work for my medical needs. It seems to be getting a little better very slowly.

It's becoming obvious that the bud tenders need some serious education.

 

[HashGirl]

For some reason, I had saved it as a draft blog not as a to be published now blog. Weird. Never knew that was an option. Sorry folks. Try it again, please.

Canna Oil Capsules - Take 1



P.S. Sue... This is oil using the same plant that got me too high to sleep last time when I just made the oil but not in capsules.

 

[SweetSue]

Sue, not sure if this posting belongs here or elsewhere. If you want me to delete it and repost elsewhere, let me know.

Well, a bit of a break-through for my wife. A couple of days ago I bought a syringe from my favourite dispensary. It was advertised as XXXXX Rick Simpson Oil. I XXXXX'ed out the brand name, cuz I think I'm not supposed to promote, right? If you are curious, PM and I'll tell you the brand name and website.

In any event we reviewed the instructions on tacking (thanks to you guys) and this morning we tried it. I got a grain of rice sized dab under my lower denture. One thing that worried me was that it was not thick. It had the consistency of cooking oil. It is almost black in color.
Because it was so runny, it did not really tack. I got the impression that real RSO or CCO is almost gummy, right?

Then I dabbed a bit on my wife's lower gum line, under her denture.

It took about 1/2 hour before I felt anything... we both sort of shrugged and said, "oh well". The effect was not high, nor stoned, just a mild background buzz.

Then my wife decided to have a nap and she was comatose for about 4 hours. I lay down and napped for an hour too. Now, 6 hours later she feel fine with little pain from her RA. Yahoo!

I'm hoping this reaction is from this oil.

Another reaction my wife had was a mildly upset stomach.. shortly after she swallowed

So, whether we tack it or ingest it, this oil seems to be beneficial and we are going to continue with it.

Cost wise it was $30CDN for a 1 ml syringe.

This is very heartening to read Danolo.

The oil can be different consistencies depending on the processing. If it's working, be grateful and trust that you found what you needed. Are you planning on growing, or just hoping to find a consistent supply?

The upset stomach is most likely reaction to the new meds. It can take a while. There may also be an excess of chlorophyll in the oil, which can sometimes upset the stomach. If it persists you may want to try a different mix or oil entirely. I'm beginning to see that finding what you need in the open marketplace is more challenging than any of us believes is called for.

Did she eat before the tack? It's recommended to have food in the stomach to help offset the possibility of distress. Also, proper hydration is of primary concern on a cannabinoid therapy.

It warms my heart to know her pain has been relieved. Well done Danolo. Well done.

 

[SweetSue]

Sara, I just realized that I'd forgotten all about my daughter's chronic sinus infection. I forgot about it because this malady that had been a constant companion for over a decade vanished from her life within a week of starting her capsules. She'd been on so many antibiotics over that decade it frightened us, and nothing cleared it up.

She has no problem with her sinuses at all any more.

 

[HashGirl]

I'm so happy to hear that you may have found something that helps your wife with her RA. Is she on any disease modifying drugs, too like methotrexate? I always felt nauseous when I was on methotrexate so if she's taking it, too, it may be cumulative with the new oil medication. I'm not a physicist so I don't know if pills and cannabis combined is a problem or not. It's just a thought.

When I was on methotrexate, I only took it once a week but I know some people take it every day. If your wife is an everyday kind of patient, maybe have her take the oil in the morning and the methotrexate at night just to keep them apart until she gets used to the oil.

Sue, not sure if this posting belongs here or elsewhere. If you want me to delete it and repost elsewhere, let me know.

Well, a bit of a break-through for my wife. A couple of days ago I bought a syringe from my favourite dispensary. It was advertised as XXXXX Rick Simpson Oil. I XXXXX'ed out the brand name, cuz I think I'm not supposed to promote, right? If you are curious, PM and I'll tell you the brand name and website.

In any event we reviewed the instructions on tacking (thanks to you guys) and this morning we tried it. I got a grain of rice sized dab under my lower denture. One thing that worried me was that it was not thick. It had the consistency of cooking oil. It is almost black in color.
Because it was so runny, it did not really tack. I got the impression that real RSO or CCO is almost gummy, right?

Then I dabbed a bit on my wife's lower gum line, under her denture.

It took about 1/2 hour before I felt anything... we both sort of shrugged and said, "oh well". The effect was not high, nor stoned, just a mild background buzz.

Then my wife decided to have a nap and she was comatose for about 4 hours. I lay down and napped for an hour too. Now, 6 hours later she feel fine with little pain from her RA. Yahoo!

I'm hoping this reaction is from this oil.

Another reaction my wife had was a mildly upset stomach.. shortly after she swallowed

So, whether we tack it or ingest it, this oil seems to be beneficial and we are going to continue with it.

Cost wise it was $30CDN for a 1 ml syringe.

 

[SweetSue]

For some reason, I had saved it as a draft blog not as a to be published now blog. Weird. Never knew that was an option. Sorry folks. Try it again, please.

Canna Oil Capsules - Take 1



P.S. Sue... This is oil using the same plant that got me too high to sleep last time when I just made the oil but not in capsules.

Well done girl. Beautifully documented too. Next batch, think about adding up to a tablespoon of liquid sunflower lecithin to the oil. That's a nice, strong batch, better than 6 grams of bud to a quarter cup. I'm sure it hit that pain.

Explain to me, what was the difference in the oil you took that was too much for you and what you have in these capsules?

 

[SweetSue]

What's that in the sky?! A smiley face with open hands... It's the SweetSue Signal!

Quick! Nug Wonder, to the Bud-mobile!
[sound of squealing tires as we speed off. Visual of winding mountain road and steep cliffs. Switch to visual of Google Maps app.]

Okay, left. Now right... no, other right! STOP! Back up three blocks!

Okay, We're here!

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Healing Hugs delivered!

Now let's go find The Toker. (she usually has the good stuff)

 

[SL2222]

Oh Baby, and you did all that without someone like me beside you .....

People are intimidated by you. They want to "fix it" and they're frustrated because nothing works. It creates a momentum of its own.

It's nothing but brain chemistry and it doesn't define who you are at all. I never lost sight of my sparkling daughter in all that anxiety. I knew in my heart there was an answer, and somewhere along the way we'd find it. We did. For us it turned out to be as simple as growing a plant, making an oil, putting that oil into some capsules and having her find her personal sweet spot. We live a blessed life, in great part because we have expectations of that.

Your brain's misfiring, and the cannabinoids in cannabis can help restore the balance without side effects, until your ECS is strong enough to do that on its own. It'll take a bit of trial and error. It may take a little time, but it'll come. My daughter shares your hyper-response to any medication. So far, she's had no problems with cannabis and no interaction with the mild psyche drugs she does take. She takes Effexor, I believe. A mild dose. It was only meant to keep her from becoming suicidal.

It's easy to beat up on yourself for behavior that's being guided by your brain chemistry. You can learn not to do that to yourself. I can help you with that. Your caregiver will help you find the level of cannabinoids that your body needs to assist healing in the mix that fascilitates your lifestyle. So you're going to get there Sara. In time. When you can accept that, and grab onto that delicious feeling of knowing it's going to happen, you accelerate the healing process.

It's an incremental thing, like life. No one expects you to get there overnight, but I think it's obvious to everyone in this room that you, my dear, are on a strong healing path. I think part of my purpose here is to teach you how to laugh your way through this. Lol! I don't demean what you're going through at all, but my daughter has told me that she survived this because we kept laughing.

And we always understood the value of a good hug. Hugs are a healing force all their own.

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I'm not sure what magic you have, but these posts FEEL like a hug. You just make me feel better and you always ease my doubts. I can't thank you enough, truly.

I read this and immediately felt courageous enough called my practitioner to touch base before I went to see him - I wanted to make sure he knew exactly how I'd been feeling this last week taking the cannabis - we'd only chatted before I started again. He really is kind. He reminds me of you.

So, he said that about 1-2% of people have this response; in the last 4 years he has had 2 clients respond this way. I *think* he said (and he said it twice, but I'm not sure I heard right) that it's indicative of severe endocannabinoid deficiencies, which would make sense given my history.

But he said he would have me try straight CBD cannabis oil, no (or virtually no) THC and then slowly over time add more THC. He wanted me to try that in his office so we could talk about how I was feeling when I was feeling it.

He was very kind and at the end of the conversation said he promised he would help me and not to worry.

The two of you are being so kind to me, and I appreciate it. I think I get frustrated when things go exactly the opposite of the way I expect. Like, I have infinite patience when things slooooowly, slowly, slowly get better or even stagnate some, but when they get worse, I just freak.

Also, and I've mentioned before, my fear of new stuff gets in the way. I have a fear of going into the city and meeting a new practitioner. Again, why? Who the heck knows. I let the underlying fears get in the way and cloud everything else. I will probably feel SO MUCH BETTER once this is over, I've met him, we've talked in person, etc.

I feel very fortunate that you and your daughter are sharing your experience with me so that I can use it to get better. It means a lot to me.

I know this will take time, and I have to remind myself of it. AND I need to learn to laugh more. Why does the ability to laugh go so easily with anxiety? I used to laugh all the time - I used to smile all the time. I was such a joker. It's so important. I mean, no matter what happens I should be trying to have a good time. I'm going to work on this

 

[SL2222]

Sue, not sure if this posting belongs here or elsewhere. If you want me to delete it and repost elsewhere, let me know.

Well, a bit of a break-through for my wife. A couple of days ago I bought a syringe from my favourite dispensary. It was advertised as XXXXX Rick Simpson Oil. I XXXXX'ed out the brand name, cuz I think I'm not supposed to promote, right? If you are curious, PM and I'll tell you the brand name and website.

In any event we reviewed the instructions on tacking (thanks to you guys) and this morning we tried it. I got a grain of rice sized dab under my lower denture. One thing that worried me was that it was not thick. It had the consistency of cooking oil. It is almost black in color.
Because it was so runny, it did not really tack. I got the impression that real RSO or CCO is almost gummy, right?

Then I dabbed a bit on my wife's lower gum line, under her denture.

It took about 1/2 hour before I felt anything... we both sort of shrugged and said, "oh well". The effect was not high, nor stoned, just a mild background buzz.

Then my wife decided to have a nap and she was comatose for about 4 hours. I lay down and napped for an hour too. Now, 6 hours later she feel fine with little pain from her RA. Yahoo!

I'm hoping this reaction is from this oil.

Another reaction my wife had was a mildly upset stomach.. shortly after she swallowed

So, whether we tack it or ingest it, this oil seems to be beneficial and we are going to continue with it.

Cost wise it was $30CDN for a 1 ml syringe.

I HOPE it helps her!!!!!! That is amazing if it does!

 

[SL2222]

Sara,
With your hyper sensitivities, you may be better served if you approach cannabis on an as needed base. You have an analytical approach to what is happening to you. Your body and mind will let you know when you need it an when you have had as much as you need or sadly in your case (at least for now) want to tolerate.

Another thought would be to try cannabis and lorazepam together or spaced apart at different times. I suspect one would have an effect on the other. Good or bad, best guess is,………… it depends.

Best wishes
canyon

I wonder about this. Not for all time, but as I build a tolerance. I'm going to see how the CBD only oil does for me, but what I noticed was that a single dose of the cannabis was good. Even the higher dose, as weird as I felt, many aspects were GOOD. It would go downhill at the second and really downhill by the third dose.

Every single time I took my first dose, or my first dose at a lower amount, I would come on here and say "Perfect!! It's good! I feel good!" Then, you know

If I can't tolerate it daily at first, then maybe this is what I will have to try. Take it as-needed, and then maybe build a tolerance to more and more, so that more healing can take place?

If that's what needs to happen, I'm willing to try that.

At the very least, even if I don't get the deep healing from consistent, daily cannabis use, taking something to ease the anxiety when I need it tends to lessen overall anxiety. If I wait to take stuff, as I tend to do with the Lorazepam, the anxiety builds and builds and builds. But when I would give myself permission to take some at onset, it would dissipate more quickly. Finding the cannabis that does that is the first trick

 

[SweetSue]

I'm not sure what magic you have, but these posts FEEL like a hug. You just make me feel better and you always ease my doubts. I can't thank you enough, truly.

I read this and immediately felt courageous enough called my practitioner to touch base before I went to see him - I wanted to make sure he knew exactly how I'd been feeling this last week taking the cannabis - we'd only chatted before I started again. He really is kind. He reminds me of you.

So, he said that about 1-2% of people have this response; in the last 4 years he has had 2 clients respond this way. I *think* he said (and he said it twice, but I'm not sure I heard right) that it's indicative of severe endocannabinoid deficiencies, which would make sense given my history.

But he said he would have me try straight CBD cannabis oil, no (or virtually no) THC and then slowly over time add more THC. He wanted me to try that in his office so we could talk about how I was feeling when I was feeling it.

He was very kind and at the end of the conversation said he promised he would help me and not to worry.

The two of you are being so kind to me, and I appreciate it. I think I get frustrated when things go exactly the opposite of the way I expect. Like, I have infinite patience when things slooooowly, slowly, slowly get better or even stagnate some, but when they get worse, I just freak.

Also, and I've mentioned before, my fear of new stuff gets in the way. I have a fear of going into the city and meeting a new practitioner. Again, why? Who the heck knows. I let the underlying fears get in the way and cloud everything else. I will probably feel SO MUCH BETTER once this is over, I've met him, we've talked in person, etc.

I feel very fortunate that you and your daughter are sharing your experience with me so that I can use it to get better. It means a lot to me.

I know this will take time, and I have to remind myself of it. AND I need to learn to laugh more. Why does the ability to laugh go so easily with anxiety? I used to laugh all the time - I used to smile all the time. I was such a joker. It's so important. I mean, no matter what happens I should be trying to have a good time. I'm going to work on this

Youre already working on it Sara. I already see you past this, so I work from a point of absolute assurance. It sounds to me like your caregiver also understands that the universe always works on our behalf. I find it a bit bemusing that you found your way to me just when you needed to, and through such a circuitous route. I could have kept my lives separate and never mentioned all of this in the Callanetics Studio. That's not what the universe had in store for us, was it?

I'm glad you found us. You're really a delight to have around.

 

[SL2222]

Sara, I just realized that I'd forgotten all about my daughter's chronic sinus infection. I forgot about it because this malady that had been a constant companion for over a decade vanished from her life within a week of starting her capsules. She'd been on so many antibiotics over that decade it frightened us, and nothing cleared it up.

She has no problem with her sinuses at all any more.

THAT IS SO EXCITING!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Said by anyone else, that would seem to be sarcasm, but I seriously mean that this is a big, big deal for me.)

In high school I ran cross country, and the only thing my coaches had to say about me at the year-end dinner was, whenever we see somebody running with a big, read hanky, we knew who we were looking at!!! Yeah, that's me.

I usually wake up every morning with "exploding sinuses" as I say. I can go through several handkerchiefs or wash clothes before I get out of bed, because my sinuses freak out, draining, sneezing.

So that wasn't in my head, either. And that is an amazing thing to get rid of, because a sinus infection can affect everything in the system, and really drag you down, of course leading to even more deficiencies that could lead to MORE anxiety and imbalances. The hemp was already helping some - I haven't had many of those explosions since I started, but the cannabis seemed to soothe it even more. I mean, this has been a decade-long ritual. I used hope it stopped before I made it in to school, because it's insane.

ALSO I have a rash I've been dealing with for 6 or 7 months. Each week that I was on the cannabis, it started to go down so that I no longer needed a cream. I'm certain that if I stayed on it, it would help tremendous.

I think I might be your daughter's doppleganger. She is such a trooper.

 

[HashGirl]

Hi Sue.

Thank you for the compliment on the blog. I thought about posting it here but with the pictures, it seemed really long.

I do have some liquid sunflower lecithin that I bought on your recommendation but I when I read the article about making capsules by the Old Hippie, he said that he no longer used sunflower lecithin in his oil because he'd found out that it was hard on the heart (or at least that's what I think he said - I'll have to go back and check) so I didn't add it.

Now that it's been in my system for a couple of hours, I'm coasting along nicely. I'm slightly high but I don't think it would be a problem if I wanted to go to sleep. I actually feel a little more clear-headed than I normally do when I'm high. I definitely think I like them. I was thinking about having one of my Blondies tomorrow (or Scooby Snacks as DH and his work friends call them: but maybe I'll take a capsule after breakfast tomorrow and see how it affects me when I'm not tired and go from there. Popping capsules all day sounds sort of appealing but they're supposed to be medicine not fun so we'll see. Now that I'm made the oil, it would be easy enough to make more but I'm not sure I want to do capsules again although I did buy 1000 of them but my hands aren't too steady and even with the capsule filler device, I still had difficulty keeping my hands steady. However, that said, I only spilled a very teeny bit by one capsule.


Sue: The difference in recipes,is the ratio I believe and how much I took.

This recipe was:

• 6.252 g of Hash Plant
• 4 tbsps of Extra Virgin Coconut Oil (1/4 cup), melted

making 52 capsules with roughly .5 ml in each capsule. I don't know the grams per capsule number for sure but I think it's roughly .12g per capsule.


The other recipe was:

• 3.5 g of Hash Plant
• 1 tablespoon of coconut oil, melted

The minimum recommended dosage was 1/2 a teaspoon so that's what I took and then I was blasted all night and missed work the next day so I definitely think it's a ratio thing.

Well done girl. Beautifully documented too. Next batch, think about adding up to a tablespoon of liquid sunflower lecithin to the oil. That's a nice, strong batch, better than 6 grams of bud to a quarter cup. I'm sure it hit that pain.

Explain to me, what was the difference in the oil you took that was too much for you and what you have in these capsules?

 

[chadillac5580]

Wow, I'm only 57 pages in on this thread and there is so much info! I've been taking CCO (59% THC) nightly and CBD in the morning to relieve tics and anxiety from Tourettes. Looking forward to getting caught up on this thread! I'm so thankful to have found this and to Sue, Cajun and the rest of you for the precious info.

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[HashGirl]

Sue definitely is magic. She is very good at making all of us feel respected and loved while helping us figure out whatever it is we're trying to do here. I Sue and I'm sure I'm not the only one here. She very truly is a magical person.

I'm so glad that your practitioner seems so knowledgeable and caring and I hope that you and he can figure this out together because I feel your pain when you talk about your feelings. I don't have anxiety to the depth you do and I, too, love to laugh and I, too, noticed that laughter was hard to find when I was having anxiety attacks a year ago. I'm still more anxious than I used to be prior to my nervous breakdown at work but pot helps a lot in easing my worries now for the most part and it's a truly wonderful thing.

You deserve some peace and we're all rooting for you.

I'm not sure what magic you have, but these posts FEEL like a hug. You just make me feel better and you always ease my doubts. I can't thank you enough, truly.

I read this and immediately felt courageous enough called my practitioner to touch base before I went to see him - I wanted to make sure he knew exactly how I'd been feeling this last week taking the cannabis - we'd only chatted before I started again. He really is kind. He reminds me of you.

So, he said that about 1-2% of people have this response; in the last 4 years he has had 2 clients respond this way. I *think* he said (and he said it twice, but I'm not sure I heard right) that it's indicative of severe endocannabinoid deficiencies, which would make sense given my history.

But he said he would have me try straight CBD cannabis oil, no (or virtually no) THC and then slowly over time add more THC. He wanted me to try that in his office so we could talk about how I was feeling when I was feeling it.

He was very kind and at the end of the conversation said he promised he would help me and not to worry.

The two of you are being so kind to me, and I appreciate it. I think I get frustrated when things go exactly the opposite of the way I expect. Like, I have infinite patience when things slooooowly, slowly, slowly get better or even stagnate some, but when they get worse, I just freak.

Also, and I've mentioned before, my fear of new stuff gets in the way. I have a fear of going into the city and meeting a new practitioner. Again, why? Who the heck knows. I let the underlying fears get in the way and cloud everything else. I will probably feel SO MUCH BETTER once this is over, I've met him, we've talked in person, etc.

I feel very fortunate that you and your daughter are sharing your experience with me so that I can use it to get better. It means a lot to me.

I know this will take time, and I have to remind myself of it. AND I need to learn to laugh more. Why does the ability to laugh go so easily with anxiety? I used to laugh all the time - I used to smile all the time. I was such a joker. It's so important. I mean, no matter what happens I should be trying to have a good time. I'm going to work on this

 

[SweetSue]

Sara, my daughter wanted you to know she's honored to be able to help you understand what she's learned. She's just a couple steps ahead of you.

Something to consider when you talk to your caregiver: we saw the most consistent relief and healing with a balanced strain. Then we added in oil made from immature leaves from a very high THC (Carnival) and discovered she must need the additional THC. There can't be all that much in those capsules. (Need one of those analyzers.....). He's suggesting no THC. I'm suggesting he think about that. I understand he's the professional, and I have extremely limited experience, but I watched 34 years of anxiety slip off my baby like an old, overworn garment. I paid close attention to what we were doing. I'm not entirely convinced we would've gotten the same results without any THC.

I'd forgotten about the PTSD too. Huh! All that's just slipping away into ancient history.

 

[SweetSue]

Hi Sue.

Thank you for the compliment on the blog. I thought about posting it here but with the pictures, it seemed really long.

Where do you all get this idea that length is a deterrent? Lol! You read my posts. HashGirl, you feel free to post anything here you believe will help us understand the process better. That was a lovely blog. I believe the more options we have like that for others to sift through the better. You left us a link. Maybe add to that post with one of the pictures from the blog as a visual teaser to entice members to go looking for it?

 

[HashGirl]

I think it's natural for people not to want to have to medicate when something is coming on whether it's anxiety, a headache or something else. It's the same thing as not wanting to have to go to the hospital.

But for me, the nice thing about cannabis is that I can use it as medication in so many different ways whether it's for anxiety, insomnia, pain or just to zone out for awhile and since I'm not smoking it, I'm fairly confident it's not going to hurt me the way taking too much ibuprofen did when I developed a pre-ulcer or the infections I used to get after getting my Rituxan (if you want to read up on scary side effects, look this one up but it helped me for 7 years so I really can't complain).

If cannabis could halt the progression of rheumatoid autoimmune disease then in theory, I wouldn't have to take big pharma medicine with scary side effects anymore.

I wonder about this. Not for all time, but as I build a tolerance. I'm going to see how the CBD only oil does for me, but what I noticed was that a single dose of the cannabis was good. Even the higher dose, as weird as I felt, many aspects were GOOD. It would go downhill at the second and really downhill by the third dose.

Every single time I took my first dose, or my first dose at a lower amount, I would come on here and say "Perfect!! It's good! I feel good!" Then, you know

If I can't tolerate it daily at first, then maybe this is what I will have to try. Take it as-needed, and then maybe build a tolerance to more and more, so that more healing can take place?

If that's what needs to happen, I'm willing to try that.

At the very least, even if I don't get the deep healing from consistent, daily cannabis use, taking something to ease the anxiety when I need it tends to lessen overall anxiety. If I wait to take stuff, as I tend to do with the Lorazepam, the anxiety builds and builds and builds. But when I would give myself permission to take some at onset, it would dissipate more quickly. Finding the cannabis that does that is the first trick

 

[SweetSue]

Wow, I'm only 57 pages in on this thread and there is so much info! I've been taking CCO (59% THC) nightly and CBD in the morning to relieve tics and anxiety from Tourettes. Looking forward to getting caught up on this thread! I'm so thankful to have found this and to Sue, Cajun and the rest of you for the precious info.

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Why thank you chadillac. Cool user name. I take it the given name is Chad? Welcome to the study hall and to the community at large. If we can, in any way, help to make it easier for you to find your spot in our neighborhood, please let us know. In this room we're all about answering questions, so don't feel you have to read through to ask. Deal?