Thank you, Susan. That hit me so unexpectedly that I shed tears. I'm so happy to be here, sharing, getting support. If anything I do or say helps, then that just makes me feel wonderful about it all.
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Thank you, Susan. That hit me so unexpectedly that I shed tears. I'm so happy to be here, sharing, getting support. If anything I do or say helps, then that just makes me feel wonderful about it all.
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This is why i use and grow, only thing ive found that works after years of the VA hospital treatment.One of the effects that makes cannabis so valuable for the treatment of PTSD is the ability to bring you back into the "now." When you're anxious that's part of what cannabis does for you. It keeps you here in the now instead of worrying about the future or digging up the past. And it makes you want to laugh, which is so beneficial to the ECS you wouldn't believe it.
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I was just surfing the posts and thought I would just say Happy new year, I wish everyone happiness and good health. TO the people fighting cancer I hope this year your able to become NED. To the cancer patients who are NED I hope you remain cancer free.
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Oldbear
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Yes, I will definitely do that.
Wow, I didn't know anyone COULD be allergic to CBDThat is so sad. And I hope not a problem I have, but knowing me.... I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. Hmmmm...... I wonder if that's the heart rate issue I had with my hemp. Something to think about.
At this point we figure its the carrier oil more than the cbd but who knows.
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I have a pollen allergy, mostly trees, pet dander, etc, but it DID flare up when I was collecting pollen from one of my Cannabis males. That could explain why I don't get high off my tinctures, capsules, and CCO at the normal doses. I don't smoke, either.
I may have to make some cannabudder.
As I mentioned numerous times before, I don't want to get a buzz, just looking for pain relief for the arthritis. So, I have to trust that what I DO ingest is doing something for me.
I may have to make some cannabudder.
As I mentioned numerous times before, I don't want to get a buzz, just looking for pain relief for the arthritis. So, I have to trust that what I DO ingest is doing something for me.
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I have a pollen allergy, mostly trees, pet dander, etc, but it DID flare up when I was collecting pollen from one of my Cannabis males. That could explain why I don't get high off my tinctures, capsules, and CCO at the normal doses. I don't smoke, either.
I may have to make some cannabudder.
As I mentioned numerous times before, I don't want to get a buzz, just looking for pain relief for the arthritis. So, I have to trust that what I DO ingest is doing something for me.
Absolutely it's doing something for you. It's reducing inflammation. Any reduction allows the body breathing space to heal. That cannabudder sounds like a good idea. I ran out last week, and I'm missing the addition to my oatmeal.
I agree with Sara. Let her get sleep until she starts to feel it's too much. It sounds like the pain has been a constant visitor, so this is relief. Take it and rest.
She'll know when she's caught up. That's when you start modifying the dose. She should be building a tolerance at the same time, which will help get more cannabinoids into the system.
Keep us in the loop. Like I have to say that.
Well, she continues to sleep a LOT! I think she's committed to continuing for a week or so, but beyond that, maybe not.
Is there any disadvantage if, instead of taking the medication twice a day at bed time and on rising, she took both doses at bed time.??
This would allow her a daytime of some length, and enable her to get on with her life, which includes art, painting, and looking after me!
GhettoGro
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Sharing post from "The Perpetual Healing Garden" thread with the class 
Impromptu decarb experiment
Impromptu decarb experiment
Hi Sue! Reporting back on my decarb experiment.
This was perfect timing since I have 4 different plants just 1 week in the jars curing. My wife is very used to being my guinea pig helping me evaluated product so she never suspected anything different was up.
I took a few small nugs of AK47 #2 and put it in the oven at 230d. My wife got up and went for coffee about 15 minutes later. She didn't notice the oven on but she did say that she smelled something weird and "chemical" smelling after I revealed the experiment. She didn't say anything to me at the time. This weed has a mild sweet skunk smell when the jar is opened and a loud diesel smell when you break a bud up. It smelled like grapefruit in the kitchen to me when it was baking. (Side note: Only after growing out a few MJ plants did I realize the similarity in the smell of diesel fuel and grapefruit. Squirrel!)
It had been baking about an hour when we hit 3 bongs each of the bud straight from the jar. I had her evaluate her buzz as I often do when a new batch is ready. She was happy and stoned as was I. After 90 minutes in the oven I took the decarb buds and put them on the tray. We hit 3 bong rips of the baked bud about an hour after the initial bongs. She thought it was just another one of the plants. She was trying to guess which one since she is familiar with them all at this point. When she described the buzz this time she said she "could tell it was different" and seemed to be more of a "heady" sativa-like buzz , but that it was "more comfortable" than the other weed. After revealing the plot, she says the one thing she didn't like was the loss of flavor. I noticed the decarb budz just had a faint spinach smell when crumbled (like the taste in my cannabutter). It had no flavor when smoked but did hit very smooth.
I could not tell much difference myself. I got comfortably stoned both ways. She has got busy and is mopping the kitchen in there now I think. You may be on to something good here!
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I found it interesting that GG mentioned the pronounced sativa influence. That hadn't clicked until now, but I remember commenting on that with my first super-potentiated DDA brownies. One of my recent classes was on the difference between indicas and sativas. The major factor turned out to be that the indicas have a propensity to develop hydroxylated terpenes. I haven't reviewed the class notes and see if I can figure out the significance of that, but I did remember that the prevailing theory is that the hydroxylated terpenes are somehow linked with the gibberellic acids.
Yeah..... that did indeed get very botanically technical. I barely understand that statement, so if any of you understand that, please chime in.
So..... the decarb is causing some shift in the molecular structure we weren't aware of, and it appears that whatever it is the female physiology responds in a way unique to the male. Or so it appears on the surface.
Edit: Wouldn't it be neat to figure out what's going on at the molecular level, and why it expresses differently by sex?
We need more data. We need more lab rats. Any ideas?
Yeah..... that did indeed get very botanically technical. I barely understand that statement, so if any of you understand that, please chime in.
So..... the decarb is causing some shift in the molecular structure we weren't aware of, and it appears that whatever it is the female physiology responds in a way unique to the male. Or so it appears on the surface.
Edit: Wouldn't it be neat to figure out what's going on at the molecular level, and why it expresses differently by sex?
We need more data. We need more lab rats. Any ideas?
KingstonRabbi
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Sounds like we have several experiments going on simultaneously:
* Effect of long decarb for edibles. - Generally agreed that longer decarb produces stronger and smoother high, possibly shifted toward sativa effects. Not yet clear whether 90 min at 245 or 110 min at 230 is best, but that's a menial difference if any because WOW either way.
* Effect of long decarb for smoking/vaping. - Appears to shift effects toward sativa type, possible differences in reactions by gender. I suspect any decarb prior to smoking will improve efficiency of uptake compared to unactivated herb.
* Effect of long decarb on sativa vs indica. - So far it looks like we've all tried sativa dom strains. I'll try it with Bubba Kush, the most indica strain I have, to see how it changes.
Like Sue said, we need more lab rats, double shifts if possible. And remember, participation is its own reward.
* Effect of long decarb for edibles. - Generally agreed that longer decarb produces stronger and smoother high, possibly shifted toward sativa effects. Not yet clear whether 90 min at 245 or 110 min at 230 is best, but that's a menial difference if any because WOW either way.
* Effect of long decarb for smoking/vaping. - Appears to shift effects toward sativa type, possible differences in reactions by gender. I suspect any decarb prior to smoking will improve efficiency of uptake compared to unactivated herb.
* Effect of long decarb on sativa vs indica. - So far it looks like we've all tried sativa dom strains. I'll try it with Bubba Kush, the most indica strain I have, to see how it changes.
Like Sue said, we need more lab rats, double shifts if possible. And remember, participation is its own reward.
Rabbi,
I posted a brownie update on another thread of Sue's by mistake. With the amount of crossover in conversations here, I never followed up here.
This is the copy and past.
Re: The Perpetual Healing Garden - SweetSue's Joyful Return
Originally Posted by SweetSue 
We've discovered an interesting wrinkle in the decarb puzzle. It appears that doing the longer decarb potentiates the bud way beyond expectations when used as an edible, regardless of who consumes. But take that same cooked bud and fire it up and the men feel no difference in effect, decarbed to undecarbed bud.
Hand that same cooked bud to a woman and she feels the hit faster, stronger, and will carry it longer.
Both sexes find that cooking the bud longer almost completely eliminates any harshness you would have gotten smoking it undecarbed. Then, as Rifleman pointed out, you no longer need a grinder. We're still gathering evidence, so anyone who feels inclined to participate in this unstructured experiment please do and report your findings to us.
Brownie update
The first batch I made with 8g of better than trim small buds. At one half gram per slice they had a nice calm, focused high. It was nice but not what I would call intense.
The second batch I started with 22g of the same small buds and made the slices smaller at 24 slices for the 22g.
The first day with the new batch I decided to explore what a day of "Let's get baked for the day." would be like with the brownies and a few bags of vaped added in. Nice, though it did require a two hour nap.
What I am finding is that I am not getting overly long effects, especially the intense part of the curve. What I have noticed is, just a small amount of inhaled meds added to the background buzz of the brownies will really ramp up the effects. I think it also tends to keep the brownies going longer too.
I was going to add mango juice back in but I could not buy anything that the first two ingredients are water and corn syrup. And, the only mention of mango is pulp and it was further down the list. Two unripe mangos were the best I could do. I don't really like mangos, green ones even less. I did get a small slice down. Not enough to notice any change in effect or onset. I will try more when they get ripe.
Probably my main goal with brownies and oil caps is to break the habit of joints and dry pipes. The urge to have a joint going is still there though I am rather happy with the high over the last few days. Weight gain could to be a problem soon.
Best everyone and
Happy New Year
canyon
I posted a brownie update on another thread of Sue's by mistake. With the amount of crossover in conversations here, I never followed up here.
This is the copy and past.
Re: The Perpetual Healing Garden - SweetSue's Joyful Return
We've discovered an interesting wrinkle in the decarb puzzle. It appears that doing the longer decarb potentiates the bud way beyond expectations when used as an edible, regardless of who consumes. But take that same cooked bud and fire it up and the men feel no difference in effect, decarbed to undecarbed bud.
Hand that same cooked bud to a woman and she feels the hit faster, stronger, and will carry it longer.
Both sexes find that cooking the bud longer almost completely eliminates any harshness you would have gotten smoking it undecarbed. Then, as Rifleman pointed out, you no longer need a grinder.
We're still gathering evidence, so anyone who feels inclined to participate in this unstructured experiment please do and report your findings to us. Brownie update
The first batch I made with 8g of better than trim small buds. At one half gram per slice they had a nice calm, focused high. It was nice but not what I would call intense.
The second batch I started with 22g of the same small buds and made the slices smaller at 24 slices for the 22g.
The first day with the new batch I decided to explore what a day of "Let's get baked for the day." would be like with the brownies and a few bags of vaped added in. Nice, though it did require a two hour nap.
What I am finding is that I am not getting overly long effects, especially the intense part of the curve. What I have noticed is, just a small amount of inhaled meds added to the background buzz of the brownies will really ramp up the effects. I think it also tends to keep the brownies going longer too.
I was going to add mango juice back in but I could not buy anything that the first two ingredients are water and corn syrup. And, the only mention of mango is pulp and it was further down the list. Two unripe mangos were the best I could do. I don't really like mangos, green ones even less. I did get a small slice down. Not enough to notice any change in effect or onset. I will try more when they get ripe.
Probably my main goal with brownies and oil caps is to break the habit of joints and dry pipes. The urge to have a joint going is still there though I am rather happy with the high over the last few days. Weight gain could to be a problem soon.
Best everyone and
Happy New Year
canyon
KingstonRabbi
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Found this study online: "big word, big word, handles, big word, big word..."
Seriously, "hydroxylated" means a hydroxyl group is added to terpene. This functions as a 'handle' for further in vivo modifications. The study I looked at used valerian root, which has anxiolytic and sedative effects used for insomnia. The hydroxyl group acts like a catalyst in the biochemical reactions that create anti-anxiety and sedative effects. It makes these terpenes more bio-active. Why it happens more with indicas I have no idea.
This study also focused on 2 sesquiterpenes in valerian. Sesquiterpenes have 3 isoprene units instead of 2 like most terpenes. Caryophyllene and Humulene are both common sesquiterpenes in cannabis. Caryophyllene reduces anxiety and Humulene has sedative effects. Don't know if hydroxylation works same way with cannabis or why it occurs more in indica than sativa. I'm kicking this question back to Sue now.
KingstonRabbi
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Thank you Canyon. God bless us and our mixed up research methods.
I've been using unsweetened dried mangos for Trader Joe's. Caution, they're addictive! We had some good fresh ones this summer but out of season mangos are blah at best like you said.
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Found this study online: "big word, big word, handles, big word, big word..."
Seriously, "hydroxylated" means a hydroxyl group is added to terpene. This functions as a 'handle' for further in vivo modifications. The study I looked at used valerian root, which has anxiolytic and sedative effects used for insomnia. The hydroxyl group acts like a catalyst in the biochemical reactions that create anti-anxiety and sedative effects. It makes these terpenes more bio-active. Why it happens more with indicas I have no idea.
This study also focused on 2 sesquiterpenes in valerian. Sesquiterpenes have 3 isoprene units instead of 2 like most terpenes. Caryophyllene and Humulene are both common sesquiterpenes in cannabis. Caryophyllene reduces anxiety and Humulene has sedative effects. Don't know if hydroxylation works same way with cannabis or why it occurs more in indica than sativa. I'm kicking this question back to Sue now.
It happens more in indicas because indicas produce more hydroxylated terpenes than sativas. Could what's happening be that the longer decarb tamps these terpene influences down, which would leave more "space" for lack of a better term right now for the sativa influence to express? And yes, I believe hydroxylation works in cannabis the same way.
This may be the year to begin pinning down particulars on the terpenes.
I'm trying to remember, someone... HemiSync?? did try an indica. He reported that on Rifleman's thread a while back. He said he didn't notice any appreciable increase in euphoria, but he did notice he got more deep sleep from the experiment than normal. I'll be looking for your report KR.
The lab rats are having fun?
The sacrifices we make for science. Thanks Rabbi,
Trader Joe's dried pineapple is always on the out of town shopping list. I will add the mango.
BTW, both batches were decarbed at 230ish for about 100 min then added to sunflower oil and lecithin for about 30 min.
I don't think eatables or caps are going to reduce my overall consumption by much. But,I have to say, I like the high. The buildup is faster and stronger than you would expect without much of a rush. The fade is a nice slow drift down that keeps a lot of the calming effects after the buzz is gone.
Best
Trader Joe's dried pineapple is always on the out of town shopping list. I will add the mango.
BTW, both batches were decarbed at 230ish for about 100 min then added to sunflower oil and lecithin for about 30 min.
I don't think eatables or caps are going to reduce my overall consumption by much. But,I have to say, I like the high. The buildup is faster and stronger than you would expect without much of a rush. The fade is a nice slow drift down that keeps a lot of the calming effects after the buzz is gone.
Best
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Might I suggest you figure out how much brownie you want to consume for the day, start off with half of that amount and take the second half about 90 minutes to 2 hours after the first one? I've played with this and it pushes the therapeutic window open a bit more. The longer decarb, if it is influencing more of the sativa influence, may counter the concerns of weight gain Canyon. I have to force myself to eat, most days.
Alternatively, I start with the whole brownie around 9-10 AM and then supplement with a vaporizer or the bong from about 6 PM on. Lately I've been considering adding in another half brownie, and that might do away with combustion altogether, other than habit.
When I take the entire brownie at once I love, love, love the rush, and the clarity of thought is incredible. The price I pay is fatigue. Running this fast can wear a body down, if I'm not careful to balance movement and nutrition to the cannabinoid load I'm asking my body to take on.
I'm an outlier to the extreme. Don't pace yourself after me.
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I haven't seen an appreciable decrease in my consumption either, but I note the stronger, more intense onset. I've had the Dark Devil Auto brownies feel like they actually shifted me in physical space.
I use high THC, sativa-dominants for the most part, and I appreciate the way there's no crash with the brownies. It might be the strains I use Canyon. Both Carnival and DDA are intense strains, and that may be contributing to my longer-than-expected hang times. My brownies carry me for a minimum 6-8 hours of intense buzz. It's 10:30 PM. I haven't had anything except my breakfast brownie today.
Had to stop and think about that, because it sounded implausible to me, but it's true. And if I stop and feel......I'm still slightly buzzed. If I had nothing else I could probably go to bed soon and fall asleep.
That does not sound like a bad idea at all.
It means I'm still high 12 hours after my brownie dose.
Kingston, the decarb test my husband and I did was with an 80% indica. Vaping the shorter decarb almost felt like nothing just something to relax with but the longer decarbed stuff hit me much harder and actually gave me more of a couchlock high.
Sounds like we have several experiments going on simultaneously:
* Effect of long decarb for edibles. - Generally agreed that longer decarb produces stronger and smoother high, possibly shifted toward sativa effects. Not yet clear whether 90 min at 245 or 110 min at 230 is best, but that's a menial difference if any because WOW either way.
* Effect of long decarb for smoking/vaping. - Appears to shift effects toward sativa type, possible differences in reactions by gender. I suspect any decarb prior to smoking will improve efficiency of uptake compared to unactivated herb.
* Effect of long decarb on sativa vs indica. - So far it looks like we've all tried sativa dom strains. I'll try it with Bubba Kush, the most indica strain I have, to see how it changes.
Like Sue said, we need more lab rats, double shifts if possible. And remember, participation is its own reward.