SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

[SweetSue]

Morning Sue - well for me. You might still be up

The oils I'v been using come from the 'All Things Cannabis' factories approved by the feds. The oils are made with different strains so I dont really know whats in them.

There must be enough batch control that the final product is fairly consistent. Hope so.

Regards your question: Different strains introduce different mixtures of all the cannabis compounds - not just the thc/cbd types. I think it must be certain that these compounds are synergistic. A solution made from multiple strains has to behave differently than from a single one.

So to me your hypothesis is valid but our understanding of ALL the compounds remains limited.

I used to read things like this and feel really frustrated. Since I started the Joy thread I've been deliberatly training myself to sidestep frustration and choose a happier thought. I've been pretty consistent now since that launch, and I just realized that reading this didn't frustrate me at all.

Instead, this beautiful light burst out of those words and I could almost hear lovely music as I contemplated with child-like joy the incredible potential in what we're about to get pinned down as scientific fact.

Do you think the world is ready for what the current scientific community is about to find out?


I checked - my last post was 3:26 AM. I remember crawling into bed and pulling the covers around me. Next thing I knew I was waking up at 9. Six hours. I can deal with that. I need more brownie mix. The oil is in the oven on the lowest setting, coming back to liquid form as we speak.

Cooking with cannabis. I get such a kick out of the fact that my medicine and my tasty treats are one and the same.

 

[SweetSue]

So, 3rd smaller dose and I've been up all night feeling kind of unpleasant. *sigh*

I took on a house/dog sitting job for a bit next month, which means I won't get to make an appointment until towards the end of January. Hopefully I adapt to this formula. I guess if I'm struggling enough we will try harder to find a day.

We're right here with you, learning with you and willing to experiment with ourselves to help you work it out. This is responsible medicine like you've probably never had to practice, but the end results will be life changing for you.

Have you considered converting a small portion of your oil into capsules? The addition of the carrier oil (I'd suggest olive oil to reduce the possibility of euphoria) might bring more synergy into play. You obviously have a sensitive system.

Before I made capsules for my daughter she only used a vaporizer. That worked very well to control symptoms but she never lost the edgy feeling. When she shifted to a capsule regimine it changed something about the way her body was processing the medication and she fell into a continuious sense of well-being.

It just feels like delivering the oil diluted down with a good carrier oil might be something you could explore. It's possible to make a small batch, where the only loss might be the investment in capsules and pipettes.

 

[Oldbear]

Does it change what is absorbed?

I did that once with the hemp and it hit my system harder than even sublingual. Or it seemed to. Is that possible?

The method may get more into your system than the top of tongue swipe. In fact I would count on it so maybe a half dose and wait and hour to see.

 

[KingstonRabbi]

KR, a thought:

Is it possible that you're using a mix of strains in your oil that is having a different synergistic effect than previously? The thought just crashed into the front of my consciousness. God only knows where it came from, but think about it. It's entirely possible that you've created a synergy that would allow you to reduce the dose but still get the same, or better results.

The mangoes you increased the consumption of would have some part in this, if in fact this is what's going on.

This batch (WW/Critical) definitely has different synergistic effect than previous batch (mostly Bubba Kush) at same strength. It is much better daytime medicine, except for the mild high I'm getting now. I can also tell it's changed my body as well. I am sleeping better than I have in 2 years, since I started first round of chemo. I don't even need a helper dose of MMJ at bedtime.

One more detail. The minor buzz I sometimes got before only lasted about 4 hours. The high I've been getting recently lasts 10 hours. It was pretty steady too. There were peaks and lows throughout day, but overall same level until it finally started to clear about time I got home. That makes me think my ECS is sustaining it, still just speculation. I make a point of being active during day. I walk the mall twice a day, I stand up and move at least every 15 min. Normally being active clears my head, but not now.

This morning I remixed some capsules. I divided oil from 4 capsules into 5 and added 45 mg of CBD to each. Dosage was 135 mg THC, now it's about 140 mg THC with 45 mg CBD, 5 doses for today. New oil mixed well with my oil inside the capsules. I'll mix more oil today to get total dosage back down to 135 mg, and make some 80 mg capsules for work.
Before I took first dose my system felt clear. 1.5 hours later I'm feeling the high again, not as much as yesterday. I'm not at work today so not direct comparison, but I think better, almost clear enough to sift through contract legalese, not quite there.

 

[SL2222]

We're right here with you, learning with you and willing to experiment with ourselves to help you work it out. This is responsible medicine like you've probably never had to practice, but the end results will be life changing for you.

Have you considered converting a small portion of your oil into capsules? The addition of the carrier oil (I'd suggest olive oil to reduce the possibility of euphoria) might bring more synergy into play. You obviously have a sensitive system.

Before I made capsules for my daughter she only used a vaporizer. That worked very well to control symptoms but she never lost the edgy feeling. When she shifted to a capsule regimine it changed something about the way her body was processing the medication and she fell into a continuious sense of well-being.

It just feels like delivering the oil diluted down with a good carrier oil might be something you could explore. It's possible to make a small batch, where the only loss might be the investment in capsules and pipettes.

Ah, interesting. I think I already have capsules, and it would be very easy for the drop to go into there. Interesting that olive oil reduces euphoria - that's what I used on my first batch. I will be traveling today and staying with family for the next few days. Part of why I'm so frustrated today. Feeling funky and working this out during this time is going to be bad, particularly because the travel between here and there is harrowing for me, and I've always, always needed to take medication to keep from panic. The dogs, the children, the fighting and the family 24 hrs/day.

I need to shift my attitude

 

[Oldbear]

It must be fun licking the beaters, spoon and bowl for that icing.

This batch (WW/Critical) definitely has different synergistic effect than previous batch (mostly Bubba Kush) at same strength. It is much better daytime medicine, except for the mild high I'm getting now. I can also tell it's changed my body as well. I am sleeping better than I have in 2 years, since I started first round of chemo. I don't even need a helper dose of MMJ at bedtime.

One more detail. The minor buzz I sometimes got before only lasted about 4 hours. The high I've been getting recently lasts 10 hours. It was pretty steady too. There were peaks and lows throughout day, but overall same level until it finally started to clear about time I got home. That makes me think my ECS is sustaining it, still just speculation. I make a point of being active during day. I walk the mall twice a day, I stand up and move at least every 15 min. Normally being active clears my head, but not now.

This morning I remixed some capsules. I divided oil from 4 capsules into 5 and added 45 mg of CBD to each. Dosage was 135 mg THC, now it's about 140 mg THC with 45 mg CBD, 5 doses for today. New oil mixed well with my oil inside the capsules. I'll mix more oil today to get total dosage back down to 135 mg, and make some 80 mg capsules for work.
Before I took first dose my system felt clear. 1.5 hours later I'm feeling the high again, not as much as yesterday. I'm not at work today so not direct comparison, but I think better, almost clear enough to sift through contract legalese, not quite there.

 

[Oldbear]

I'm thinking about all the benefits that are to come as this gets researched and understood more fully. Thinks are working well now so its going to be gooooood.

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I used to read things like this and feel really frustrated. Since I started the Joy thread I've been deliberatly training myself to sidestep frustration and choose a happier thought. I've been pretty consistent now since that launch, and I just realized that reading this didn't frustrate me at all.

Instead, this beautiful light burst out of those words and I could almost hear lovely music as I contemplated with child-like joy the incredible potential in what we're about to get pinned down as scientific fact.

Do you think the world is ready for what the current scientific community is about to find out?


I checked - my last post was 3:26 AM. I remember crawling into bed and pulling the covers around me. Next thing I knew I was waking up at 9. Six hours. I can deal with that. I need more brownie mix. The oil is in the oven on the lowest setting, coming back to liquid form as we speak.

Cooking with cannabis. I get such a kick out of the fact that my medicine and my tasty treats are one and the same.

 

[SL2222]

I found capsules! But not until after I took my dose today. The same 1/30 drop, swiped on top of my tongue, immediately followed by a drink of water, like I was swallowing a pill. No lingering in my mouth.

However it may make me feel in the end, the transition is so much smoother. Just a slow creep in. I hate that feeling of how it hits my system fast and hard - same as I hated the hemp, even if it eventually ended up feeling good.

So, another note - I took my drop when I got in the tub - lying down quickly. Felt good and was in there 1 1/2 hours. Now that I'm out moving around, I feel funky and feel anxiety creeping in.

I'm just weird. It's all just weird.

The hemp was exactly the opposite. I felt good moving around - when I stopped is when it felt not so good.

Someday, I'll completely forget all of this and it will all feel good.

 

[HashGirl]

I apologize. It's hard losing him to the ravages of diabetes, to find out it was so unnecessary. It seems every time I turn around there's some other hell he endured that a liberal access to cannabis would have eliminated.

It's hard to live with. Even knowing how futile it is to continue to carry it around, I slip and become a woman in pain every now and then.

In the end it just make me more of a warrior.

 

[HashGirl]

A bit of whimsy for the room:

Right before Dale went into hospice for his passing they went through the trouble to haul him up those 40 steps so he could be home for a couple days. I had freshly harvested Dark Devil Auto at the time. We knew he was dying. It was just a matter of time. As it was, I had to call them within 48 hours to come and pick him up, but we had so much fun with that DDA in that 48 hours. Lol!

He wanted to smoke joints. I rolled so many it was rediculous! We went through most of what I had on hand in those two days. He was on oxygen at the time. Hahaha! Some of you know where this is going.

We kept forgetting to take the oxygen tube out of his nose before I handed him the next joint.

"Oh Shit! We did it again!" Hahaha! OMG!

I don't advocate anyone try to duplicate that level of excitement. Don't try this at home.

 

[FeloniousPunk]

Rifleman has duplicated my results. Someone else please make the effort and try yourself.

Either 245 F for 90 minutes, which is what Rifleman and I used, or 230 degrees F for 110 minutes. I'm going to try the Dutch formula and see if it makes any difference to me.

HemiSync did a batch as well, and although he didn't discern any increase in euphoria he did note increased relaxation and said he "slept like a baby." This suggests it's doing the same for him, just different genetics, different effect.

Isn't science fun?

Hello SweetSue et al,

Being a sceptic, I decided to try an experiment here at home that would or wouldn't give weight to your discovery.

I grew Hash Plant last summer and the crop was large enough to allow for some experimentation. So last weekend I took the rice cooker, cheese cloth, isopropyl alcohol and 20 odd grams of dried and cured Hash Plant out to the shed. After boiling and cooling I ended up with 3grams of gooey Hash Plant oil. It was less than I expected, so being my first time making oil, I figured I didn't work it hard enough and that there must be mote trichomes left in the leftover plant material. I went back out to the shed to dry out the plant material.

A friend (HashGirl) had told me about your serendipitous decarboxylation discovery. I thought this post production Hash Plant would be perfect for the experiment. So I divided it into 3 groups. The first was not decarboxylized, though like the other two groups, had been through the hash oil making process, and thus less potent. The second group spent 30 minutes in the oven at between 235 and 240F. The third group stayed in the oven at that temperature for another 63 minutes.

The non-decarboxylated group was a mild enjoyable buzz. It suited me fine but I wanted to test it on a friend who is a more experienced cannabis user. I gave her a small sample of the 30 minute group for her vaporizer, and she caught a small mostly unnoticeable buzz. Then 15 minutes later I gave her the same dose of the 93 minute group. Two quick hits and there was a noticeable buzz going on. This was better than the 30 minute group. We drew this conclusion from her observation of it being better and my observation of her.

This was a simple blind test without the least potent group. I hope we will revisit this experiment over the holidays.

I'd like to get this tested (but don't know how to or how much it would cost) and I'd really like a scientific explanation.

Good work SweetSue and HashGirl. Thanks.

 

[HashGirl]

You're not a wimp, Sara. I believe that you're a highly sensitive person who reacts to everything much more acutely than the average person and for you, this is the right amount for now or maybe forever but who cares? As long it's helping you. That's all that really matters.

Ok, so, last night I got down to it. I got my teeny, tiny dropper and mixed 1 drop of my cannabis with 20 drops of olive oil.

(by the way, contact lens cases are quite the perfect place to do this)

I mixed it very well and took one drop of the mixture. All good. It might be perfect. Just a slight, very slight relaxation. Which is good for me. Nothing negative, except the waking up at 5 am, which was happening the whole time I was taking the cannabis last week. Why is that? I'm not feeling awake, just waking up. I'm a 10-12 hour sleeper, so it's weird

I did the same today, but I didn't wipe/clean out the dropper of the concentrated cannabis as well as last night, so I definitely ended up with more and I feel it. It's not necessarily bad yet, but I was more comfortable last night. That saves me the trouble of wondering whether to increase the amount yet or not I'm sticking with 1/20 of a teeny drop for now. I will be getting a new little dropper bottle and just mixing up a diluted batch.

Good lord, am I a wimp or what!!??? Talk about micro-dosing.

Oh, I'm so hoping this is going to work out. I will still be going to get the right formulation next month, so that I'll feel more comfortable at higher doses. As it is, this is not enough to help at all with pain, and I don't know yet about stronger anxiety.

 

[SweetSue]

I found capsules! But not until after I took my dose today. The same 1/30 drop, swiped on top of my tongue, immediately followed by a drink of water, like I was swallowing a pill. No lingering in my mouth.

However it may make me feel in the end, the transition is so much smoother. Just a slow creep in. I hate that feeling of how it hits my system fast and hard - same as I hated the hemp, even if it eventually ended up feeling good.

So, another note - I took my drop when I got in the tub - lying down quickly. Felt good and was in there 1 1/2 hours. Now that I'm out moving around, I feel funky and feel anxiety creeping in.

I'm just weird. It's all just weird.

The hemp was exactly the opposite. I felt good moving around - when I stopped is when it felt not so good.

Someday, I'll completely forget all of this and it will all feel good.

It's only weird because it's different Sara. There's nothing wrong with your experience. You're doing an excellent job of listening to your own body and sharing that with us. I keep thinking of all the people who'll came after this that will benefit from your transparency.

Always keep in mind that you can't be hurt by cannabis. You're just feeling for your personal sweet spot. It's there. You'll find it, and all this will fall away into ancient history.

 

[Skullman420]

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[SL2222]

It's only weird because it's different Sara. There's nothing wrong with your experience. You're doing an excellent job of listening to your own body and sharing that with us. I keep thinking of all the people who'll came after this that will benefit from your transparency.

Always keep in mind that you can't be hurt by cannabis. You're just feeling for your personal sweet spot. It's there. You'll find it, and all this will fall away into ancient history.

That reminder is what I need everyday. It's part of my anxiety. Every different feeling in my body sets off fears that came from I-Don't-Know-Where.

Also - a new experiment. In the Cannabis Oil Lounge (I don't remember the exact name) I was linked to an article talking about how cannabis or even hemp can cause the liver to slow down the break down of substances in the body - causing the effects of these other substances to either intensify or linger.

I mentioned my HUGE coffee drinking - my small cup of 3/4 decaf . Well, on a GOOD day I can handle that, on a great day I can handle 2 with some effects. But I am extremely sensitive to this, too. Very. So even if I don't end up with major anxiety, it always makes the path to anxiety easier. I decided to have a cup today, but cut the 1/4 of caffeine to half that. AND... I had it with me in the tub but only drank a few sips. When I got out I was drinking more. I wonder if the cannabis is intensifying my sensitivity to the coffee and making me feel even worse. Just another experiment. I'm sure that when I'm balanced, or when I have the right formula and dose under my belt, a little decaf should be good, but maybe not now.

I do hope that this helps somebody some day. I appreciate you letting me go on and on and on and on and on here.

You guys are the ONLY reason I'm continuing this experiment. And yes, knowing that cannabis will NOT hurt me in any way is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you

We will see in a few minutes if it helps motion sickness. These windy dark roads lined by huge tree...... hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

I'll be traveling in just a few minutes. I'll let you guys know when I come back.

Have a wonderful Christmas everyone. Big hugs to you, Susan, and such a huge thanks to everyone here.

 

[SweetSue]

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Welcome DeVille. make yourself at home and please, don't hesitate to jump in and join the discussion. This room is all about brainstorming and experimentation. We look forward to getting to know you better as we journey on.

 

[HashGirl]

Interesting about the magnesium. I take magnesium supplements twice a day but I was taking it along with potassium to stop terrible cramps in my calves and feet every night. What is it supposed to do for your anxiety?

I'm so glad you told me this. As I was wrapping, I couldn't help thinking to myself that this felt different - either different because of the cannabis was keeping it tampered a bit, or different because this was a different kind of something wanting to release. My practitioner made sure to warn me that I would be feeling weird things as my body tried to heal and not to be scared. The problem, in my particular case, is that feeling weird things might be my #1 anxiety trigger (behind planes, maybe :: ). I think I always say my #1 trigger is whatever happened to just trigger my latest episode. It's like choosing a favorite Callanetics exercise.

The other reason I think you're right is that when I took the Cannabis last week - that first day it didn't feel bad. I mean, I had a few weird sensations, but not bad. I even wrote on here that it felt more "right" and this was several hours after a full spray. The next morning, I still felt like it wasn't bad. But by the third dose, it was getting worse. By my last dose, I was counting down the hours until it left my system.

So this is something I'm going to have to work through for a few days. I'm so grateful for your input. And tell your daughter I am trying to breathe! Hahaha

So, I took out my bottle of magnesium gel and started applying it to my feet every 20 min or so. I stopped using it much when I started the hemp a couple of months ago - I didn't want too many things interfering with each other. Then, when I started the Cannabis, I stopped completely. Magnesium is just something I need, desperately, apparently. It helped a lot. Now, I feel more like "normal" anxiety - like the kind that is uncomfortable, but I'm not going out of my mind and my heart isn't palpitating. Heart palpitations feels so unbelievably scary and can trigger panic attacks on their own, but I usually have to be somewhat anxious to have on to begin with. I had forgotten, ENTIRELY, until tonight, that magnesium worked best when I staggered it - a bit every hour, 1/2 hour, whatever I needed. Putting on too much makes me feel funny (just like everything, I guess).

Anyway, I need to not forget how important magnesium has been for me and use it in conjunction.

I think chronically using up magnesium is simply another symptom of an overstressed system. I know magnesium itself is extremely healing in many ways, but I don't think it gets to the core of the issue.

I'll be very curious to see how in future years if my need for it goes down as the cannabis heals things.

 

[HashGirl]

Water and sugar-free gum are my cannabis mainstays.

Very good information about hydration>> Drink More Water When You Smoke Cannabis

 

[HashGirl]

I read a blog a while ago that talked about how mangoes can increase the strength of cannabis. I just went looking for the article so you can see if the mangoes could be what's causing the change for you:

https://www.the--------.com/mangos-increase-the-effects-of-consuming-marijuana/

I'm starting to have trouble with my suppositories causing mild high at work. I can always notice a little something going on when I'm sitting, but last week it started interfering with my concentration and this week it's strong enough that I'm not sure I should be at work. Usually I feel nothing when I'm moving, now I feel it even walking around.

Same capsules I've been taking for 3 weeks, 135 mg White Widow/Critical blend. When I first started using this batch it actually increased my energy and focus. I'm also making sure I'm not inserting too far. Still taking my supplements for competitive inhibition, drinking green tea, eating dried mango and dark chocolate to cleanse receptors. Hydrating well.

I have several ideas what may be happening but it's pure speculation. Could be my own ECS kicking in. Or metabolites built up and re-entering system. Or THC in capsules is degrading into CBN. New thought, mangos also contain myrcene which helps THC cross blood/brain barrier. Not sure if the first three are possible, but that one is. I've been snacking on them more recently and it matches the timeline roughly. Don't think that's all of it though. A lot of sweets recently too, but don't see how that would cause this problem.

I'm going to try adding some CBD oil to it. Finally found a 1:1 concentrated oil in form that will work for my meds. Added some to this morning's dose but added too much, more than doubling total cannabinoids so not a fair test. (Plus I had several mango slices, but that was after I started feeling some effects.) I'll keep trying CBD and cut out mangos for now.

Any thoughts on what's going on much appreciated.

 

[lootznbootz]

I have so much catching up to do!

But ill get there eventually!

When i first got out of the army and came back home
i remember telling my mom how i wanted to study cannabis medicinally and her reaction was priceless!

But this is exactly what i had in mind!

Thank you angrybird for the invite i should have been here months ago!