SweetSue's Cannabis Oil Study Hall

SweetSue said:
:yahoo: :yahoo:

Isn't that the most wonderful feeling? :Love:

Alright, NOW I can go to bed. :cheesygrinsmiley: :Love:
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Ah, Thank you for thinking about me :hugs:

It was a GLORIOUS feeling. Though, I HAD planned on taking advantage of my anxiety and staying up late to do chores for my parents. Instead, by 11:00, I was very ready for sleep.

So, I made a new "batch" of my cannabis with my hemp seed oil (which I double checked to make sure was also for cooking, and it is) - not the CBD hemp - so that it was cut to 1/30. One "batch" being 1 drop of cannabis :biglaugh: . I made it with a different oil just so I could remember which dilution was which, in case.

I took that last night and felt good. I slept like a rock and didn't wake until after 7 this morning. Although I was having funny dreams that now kind of allude me.

I took the same 1/30 this morning, putting the drop on a little plastic flat toothpick-thing, and then simply swiping that on the TOP of my tongue and not trying to hold it in my mouth.

That was 2 hours ago, and there was no *BANG* as it hit my system. I just slowly felt it entering my system and it was good. I KNOW that doing it this way destroys a lot of it through saliva and digestive tract. But I think that's what I need for at least a few days as I adjust.

I'll be very curious to see if the same anxiety hits on this small dose again - that healing that's just going to happen no matter what. It's so interesting when I'm not too busy being terrified!

Oh, also, because this is how I roll, I realized (yet again) that I wasn't taking my sublingual B12 - again I slowed down with the hemp and stopped completely with the cannabis in case it stimulated me too much. But B12 deficiency is a huge issue for me, HUGE. And it calms my anxiety slightly while also being slightly stimulating - usually in a good way. So, magnesium and B12 are something I cannot give up, but when I try something new, or end up not feeling right, I always cut them out, whether consciously or not. I can't keep doing stupid stuff like that.

I also cut out my multivitamin and B-Complex, and will slowly start adding those back in - later or as I think I might need it, we'll see.

I will be cutting down on my coffee - you know, my single, small 3/4 decaf cup of coffee per day. Cuz I'm crazy and wild like that! I will just make it all decaf or take it out. I really am not a fun person, am I?

Susan - your harvest looks gorgeous. I meant to say so last night but was so tired :)
 
Hi Sara,
I love the details you use to describe what you're feeling. Sounds like you found the right dosage and delivery method. FYI saliva and stomach juices don't destroy cannabinoids. Much of it is metabolized by the liver, but if this dose worked for you then you've already factored that in and don't need to worry about it.

so that it was cut to 1/30. One "batch" being 1 drop of cannabis :biglaugh:.
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Remember, a batch is a batch no matter how small. :) (Dr. Seuss) Of course you might want to consider doubling the next batch :laughtwo:

Wonderful news to hear!
 
Oldbear said:
Is the burning from the cannabis compounds or the alcohol?
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I made a brandy tincture last year. I used a ounce of critical kush and a pint of brandy(375ml), let the ounce soak into the brandy for 3 weeks shaking everyday in a above room temperature area. once i filtered and had my tincture i tried it under the tongue....Whoa! it burnt like a m*#ther f**ker. It is the alcohol. People on sites saying they got ripped off a couple mls. I gave it to a few people to try and 5 mls did nothing for them. We ended up doing shot glass fulls at a party one nite and got totally wiped.:trance:
 
another time, try rubbing your little dose on your gums.

SaraLinni said:
Ah, Thank you for thinking about me :hugs:

It was a GLORIOUS feeling. Though, I HAD planned on taking advantage of my anxiety and staying up late to do chores for my parents. Instead, by 11:00, I was very ready for sleep.

So, I made a new "batch" of my cannabis with my hemp seed oil (which I double checked to make sure was also for cooking, and it is) - not the CBD hemp - so that it was cut to 1/30. One "batch" being 1 drop of cannabis :biglaugh: . I made it with a different oil just so I could remember which dilution was which, in case.

I took that last night and felt good. I slept like a rock and didn't wake until after 7 this morning. Although I was having funny dreams that now kind of allude me.

I took the same 1/30 this morning, putting the drop on a little plastic flat toothpick-thing, and then simply swiping that on the TOP of my tongue and not trying to hold it in my mouth.

That was 2 hours ago, and there was no *BANG* as it hit my system. I just slowly felt it entering my system and it was good. I KNOW that doing it this way destroys a lot of it through saliva and digestive tract. But I think that's what I need for at least a few days as I adjust.

I'll be very curious to see if the same anxiety hits on this small dose again - that healing that's just going to happen no matter what. It's so interesting when I'm not too busy being terrified!

Oh, also, because this is how I roll, I realized (yet again) that I wasn't taking my sublingual B12 - again I slowed down with the hemp and stopped completely with the cannabis in case it stimulated me too much. But B12 deficiency is a huge issue for me, HUGE. And it calms my anxiety slightly while also being slightly stimulating - usually in a good way. So, magnesium and B12 are something I cannot give up, but when I try something new, or end up not feeling right, I always cut them out, whether consciously or not. I can't keep doing stupid stuff like that.

I also cut out my multivitamin and B-Complex, and will slowly start adding those back in - later or as I think I might need it, we'll see.

I will be cutting down on my coffee - you know, my single, small 3/4 decaf cup of coffee per day. Cuz I'm crazy and wild like that! I will just make it all decaf or take it out. I really am not a fun person, am I?

Susan - your harvest looks gorgeous. I meant to say so last night but was so tired :)
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I'm starting to have trouble with my suppositories causing mild high at work. I can always notice a little something going on when I'm sitting, but last week it started interfering with my concentration and this week it's strong enough that I'm not sure I should be at work. Usually I feel nothing when I'm moving, now I feel it even walking around.

Same capsules I've been taking for 3 weeks, 135 mg White Widow/Critical blend. When I first started using this batch it actually increased my energy and focus. I'm also making sure I'm not inserting too far. Still taking my supplements for competitive inhibition, drinking green tea, eating dried mango and dark chocolate to cleanse receptors. Hydrating well.

I have several ideas what may be happening but it's pure speculation. Could be my own ECS kicking in. Or metabolites built up and re-entering system. Or THC in capsules is degrading into CBN. New thought, mangos also contain myrcene which helps THC cross blood/brain barrier. Not sure if the first three are possible, but that one is. I've been snacking on them more recently and it matches the timeline roughly. Don't think that's all of it though. A lot of sweets recently too, but don't see how that would cause this problem.

I'm going to try adding some CBD oil to it. Finally found a 1:1 concentrated oil in form that will work for my meds. Added some to this morning's dose but added too much, more than doubling total cannabinoids so not a fair test. (Plus I had several mango slices, but that was after I started feeling some effects.) I'll keep trying CBD and cut out mangos for now.

Any thoughts on what's going on much appreciated.
 
:rollit: I use to do some of my best work with a mild high! I have proven to be a better responder in an emergency. I have found solutions to difficult problems at work and had some of my most productive days with a mild high! If It is going beyond a mild high and a problem for you at your work I understand! I agree to try adding a bit of CBD oil to the meds first if you can give it a day or two. :thumb: Then trust your gut feelings, if they tell you to change what your doing, perhaps you should consider every part of your therapy, including varieties, dosing and delivery methods. :cco: I live were access is difficult and ignorance is king! The more details about your treatments I get, the more I learn! :cheesygrinsmiley: :peace: KingstonRabbi;3138928]I'm starting to have trouble with my suppositories causing mild high at work. I can always notice a little something going on when I'm sitting, but last week it started interfering with my concentration and this week it's strong enough that I'm not sure I should be at work. Usually I feel nothing when I'm moving, now I feel it even walking around.

Same capsules I've been taking for 3 weeks, 135 mg White Widow/Critical blend. When I first started using this batch it actually increased my energy and focus. I'm also making sure I'm not inserting too far. Still taking my supplements for competitive inhibition, drinking green tea, eating dried mango and dark chocolate to cleanse receptors. Hydrating well.

I have several ideas what may be happening but it's pure speculation. Could be my own ECS kicking in. Or metabolites built up and re-entering system. Or THC in capsules is degrading into CBN. New thought, mangos also contain myrcene which helps THC cross blood/brain barrier. Not sure if the first three are possible, but that one is. I've been snacking on them more recently and it matches the timeline roughly. Don't think that's all of it though. A lot of sweets recently too, but don't see how that would cause this problem.

I'm going to try adding some CBD oil to it. Finally found a 1:1 concentrated oil in form that will work for my meds. Added some to this morning's dose but added too much, more than doubling total cannabinoids so not a fair test. (Plus I had several mango slices, but that was after I started feeling some effects.) I'll keep trying CBD and cut out mangos for now.

Any thoughts on what's going on much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
 
Oldbear said:
another time, try rubbing your little dose on your gums.
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The blood vessels under the tongue and in the gums are a more efficient pathway for the cannabinoids than the top of the tongue. There's a technique of wrapping the oil drop in a piece of rice paper and placing it under the tongue that works for many. Cajun once recommended placing the oil on a small piece of bread and placing that under the tongue.

Most tackers I've followed rub it in the gums. I think there's less saliva to deal with. As soon as you place something under the tongue the brain registers it as food and you begin to salivate.

This is speculation on my part. I've not attempted tacking yet.
 
KingstonRabbi said:
I'm starting to have trouble with my suppositories causing mild high at work. I can always notice a little something going on when I'm sitting, but last week it started interfering with my concentration and this week it's strong enough that I'm not sure I should be at work. Usually I feel nothing when I'm moving, now I feel it even walking around.

Same capsules I've been taking for 3 weeks, 135 mg White Widow/Critical blend. When I first started using this batch it actually increased my energy and focus. I'm also making sure I'm not inserting too far. Still taking my supplements for competitive inhibition, drinking green tea, eating dried mango and dark chocolate to cleanse receptors. Hydrating well.

I have several ideas what may be happening but it's pure speculation. Could be my own ECS kicking in. Or metabolites built up and re-entering system. Or THC in capsules is degrading into CBN. New thought, mangos also contain myrcene which helps THC cross blood/brain barrier. Not sure if the first three are possible, but that one is. I've been snacking on them more recently and it matches the timeline roughly. Don't think that's all of it though. A lot of sweets recently too, but don't see how that would cause this problem.

I'm going to try adding some CBD oil to it. Finally found a 1:1 concentrated oil in form that will work for my meds. Added some to this morning's dose but added too much, more than doubling total cannabinoids so not a fair test. (Plus I had several mango slices, but that was after I started feeling some effects.) I'll keep trying CBD and cut out mangos for now.

Any thoughts on what's going on much appreciated.
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Its a little maddening how little we really know, isn't it?

OK, I read your post a couple times and just let it flow through my brain. The first consideration was that your ECS is potentially working more efficiently. You've not only been using a cannabinoid therapy but I'm assuming you've also made some significant lifestyle changes during the time since your initial diagnosis. All of these factored together would eventually start having an effect you could measure.

That's a distinct possibility in my mind. The second thought was that your body isn't ready for the dose you're offering. The rule is to slowly increase until you reach a point where you can't adjust to comfort. Then back off slightly until you can. BINGO! You just found your optimal therapeutic dose. I understand your surprise that it's as low as it is, but there's also great variation in what individual bodies require for healing. There's no standard that applies to all patients and no standard for continuious dosing of an individual patient.

Cannabis insists you listen to your body and adjust at every stage. Your ECS is a wonderfully creative system. We should anticipate change. We're training ourselves to be fluid with our protocols. As we're learning, things can change quickly.


 
SaraLinni said:
Ah, Thank you for thinking about me :hugs:

It was a GLORIOUS feeling. Though, I HAD planned on taking advantage of my anxiety and staying up late to do chores for my parents. Instead, by 11:00, I was very ready for sleep.

So, I made a new "batch" of my cannabis with my hemp seed oil (which I double checked to make sure was also for cooking, and it is) - not the CBD hemp - so that it was cut to 1/30. One "batch" being 1 drop of cannabis :biglaugh: . I made it with a different oil just so I could remember which dilution was which, in case.

I took that last night and felt good. I slept like a rock and didn't wake until after 7 this morning. Although I was having funny dreams that now kind of allude me.

I took the same 1/30 this morning, putting the drop on a little plastic flat toothpick-thing, and then simply swiping that on the TOP of my tongue and not trying to hold it in my mouth.

That was 2 hours ago, and there was no *BANG* as it hit my system. I just slowly felt it entering my system and it was good. I KNOW that doing it this way destroys a lot of it through saliva and digestive tract. But I think that's what I need for at least a few days as I adjust.

I'll be very curious to see if the same anxiety hits on this small dose again - that healing that's just going to happen no matter what. It's so interesting when I'm not too busy being terrified!

Oh, also, because this is how I roll, I realized (yet again) that I wasn't taking my sublingual B12 - again I slowed down with the hemp and stopped completely with the cannabis in case it stimulated me too much. But B12 deficiency is a huge issue for me, HUGE. And it calms my anxiety slightly while also being slightly stimulating - usually in a good way. So, magnesium and B12 are something I cannot give up, but when I try something new, or end up not feeling right, I always cut them out, whether consciously or not. I can't keep doing stupid stuff like that.

I also cut out my multivitamin and B-Complex, and will slowly start adding those back in - later or as I think I might need it, we'll see.

I will be cutting down on my coffee - you know, my single, small 3/4 decaf cup of coffee per day. Cuz I'm crazy and wild like that! I will just make it all decaf or take it out. I really am not a fun person, am I?

Susan - your harvest looks gorgeous. I meant to say so last night but was so tired :)
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Thank you Sara. The final tally was just over three ounces of CARNIVAL!!!!

:party: :yahoo: :party:

That's enough to keep me in daily meds that meet my needs for over ten weeks. *sigh of contentment and general relief*

A pretty picture to celebrate the holiday. :cheesygrinsmiley:

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The magnesium supplement is instrumental in helping your ECS stay balanced. If you can afford it get a probiotic started, something in the range of 50 billion cultures and up. Also, omega three fish capsules in 1000 - 2000 IU per day.

These three additions to your lifestyle will do the most to assist your ECS in healing to the point where it will be able to keep you in balance. If you do nothing else, promise me you won't miss using the magnesium cream from this point on. :hugs: :Love:
 
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I've spent the past couple hours reading and re-reading the section on how cancer cells develop and spread and ways to inhibit that behavior. My brain's a little fried, to be honest, but I've a much better understanding of the topic now than I have since I bought this book months ago.

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Suddenly I wanted to not only understand what was happening physiologically, but then take it further and figure out which components in cannabis were assisting these inhibitory actions.

Yeah, curious to a fault. I guess you could look at it like that. :laughtwo: Good grief, 2 AM or not, I need a good buzz. Let that all rattle around in my brain for a day or so until it's ready to play some more.
 
I'm sitting here, fried brain and all, in my workout clothes. My intent, somewhere back around 10:30, was a session of Callanetics I've been craving for two days now. Then, as I walked past the counter, the book forced itself into my hands and I wasn't able to put it down until about ten minutes ago.

I've been here before. Something's in the wind.
 
KR, a thought:

Is it possible that you're using a mix of strains in your oil that is having a different synergistic effect than previously? The thought just crashed into the front of my consciousness. God only knows where it came from, but think about it. It's entirely possible that you've created a synergy that would allow you to reduce the dose but still get the same, or better results.

The mangoes you increased the consumption of would have some part in this, if in fact this is what's going on.
 
SweetSue said:
The blood vessels under the tongue and in the gums are a more efficient pathway for the cannabinoids than the top of the tongue. There's a technique of wrapping the oil drop in a piece of rice paper and placing it under the tongue that works for many. Cajun once recommended placing the oil on a small piece of bread and placing that under the tongue.

Most tackers I've followed rub it in the gums. I think there's less saliva to deal with. As soon as you place something under the tongue the brain registers it as food and you begin to salivate.

This is speculation on my part. I've not attempted tacking yet.
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what ive been doing recently is to put the drop(s) on a spoon, then dab a finger in it and rub that on my gums. It is proving very effective and FAST. If there is a little too much, I rub that around on the inside of the cheeks and under the tongue.

To maximize bioavailability, im trying to maximize skin contact with this thin layer of compounds in oil.

With a less concentrated more oil dose, I spread it all over the place with my tongue. Works well with the very small amount dosing methods being used.
 
Morning Sue - well for me. You might still be up :)

The oils I'v been using come from the 'All Things Cannabis' factories approved by the feds. The oils are made with different strains so I dont really know whats in them.

There must be enough batch control that the final product is fairly consistent. Hope so.

Regards your question: Different strains introduce different mixtures of all the cannabis compounds - not just the thc/cbd types. I think it must be certain that these compounds are synergistic. A solution made from multiple strains has to behave differently than from a single one.

So to me your hypothesis is valid but our understanding of ALL the compounds remains limited.
 
KingstonRabbi said:
Hi Sara,
I love the details you use to describe what you're feeling. Sounds like you found the right dosage and delivery method. FYI saliva and stomach juices don't destroy cannabinoids. Much of it is metabolized by the liver, but if this dose worked for you then you've already factored that in and don't need to worry about it.



Remember, a batch is a batch no matter how small. :) (Dr. Seuss) Of course you might want to consider doubling the next batch :laughtwo:

Wonderful news to hear!
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Hahaha. I love that! And Dr. Seuss, of course.

I think what's destroyed is the terpenes and other compounds that help the body utilize the cannabinoids (since this is raw extraction it still has those things). But, at this stage, I'm fine with that :)

It IS nice to not have it enter my system in a rush. If the feeling were spectacular, I'm sure I'd love it.
 
Oldbear said:
what ive been doing recently is to put the drop(s) on a spoon, then dab a finger in it and rub that on my gums. It is proving very effective and FAST. If there is a little too much, I rub that around on the inside of the cheeks and under the tongue.

To maximize bioavailability, im trying to maximize skin contact with this thin layer of compounds in oil.

With a less concentrated more oil dose, I spread it all over the place with my tongue. Works well with the very small amount dosing methods being used.
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Ok, that makes sense. That fast and "more effective" delivery is exactly what I'm trying to avoid right now. Too much for me. Very unpleasant when it hits my system.

Hopefully I'll adapt and actually learn to enjoy it :)

That plastic flat toothpick-like thing - I was putting my drop on it and then just sticking it under my tongue for awhile. It kept it in contact with the sublingual spot and more of it was absorbed. It would work on the gums, too, I think. Rice paper seems like a good idea, too. Someday, when more is actually better! Haha
 
So, 3rd smaller dose and I've been up all night feeling kind of unpleasant. *sigh*

I took on a house/dog sitting job for a bit next month, which means I won't get to make an appointment until towards the end of January. Hopefully I adapt to this formula. I guess if I'm struggling enough we will try harder to find a day.
 
SweetSue said:
The blood vessels under the tongue and in the gums are a more efficient pathway for the cannabinoids than the top of the tongue. There's a technique of wrapping the oil drop in a piece of rice paper and placing it under the tongue that works for many. Cajun once recommended placing the oil on a small piece of bread and placing that under the tongue.

Most tackers I've followed rub it in the gums. I think there's less saliva to deal with. As soon as you place something under the tongue the brain registers it as food and you begin to salivate.

This is speculation on my part. I've not attempted tacking yet.
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IMHO there is no way to put it under your tongue and NOT swallow. When I tack, I rinse my mouth out with cold water, dry my gums and apply the tack. For me it works best by putting the tack on my finger then "rolling" it on to a round stick (I use a q-tip with the cotton cut off) then it rolls right off the stick on to your gums. It is much easier to not swallow the saliva that way. :circle-of-love::peace:
 
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