Stunger's Organic Soil Stealth Balcony: Landrace Mulanje & Other Sativas

[Stunger]

Hey stungs. Your plants look beautiful and stiiiiickyyy af!! I'm glad my family remedy helped you out with those pesky mites.

Cheers Skott! I have previously used Neem and found it 'helped' but I wasn't completely sure about it's effectiveness, it seemed to slow them but not actually stop them. I have also tried a few drops of Rosemary essential oil with a little soap but similar to the Neem I felt it helped to knock them down but not necessarily out. For mites, so far I feel more confident about this than the Neem or Rosemary. Thanks!

 

[Porky82]

How much longer for the MS mate? Sorry for the repeated question, on pics alone she looks lickable, a tasty looking girl. Looking as close as she ever has. Any chance of describing her smell?

It sounds terrible, but I mean every word.

DV8 living up to his name with this post!!
Classic!!

 

[Stunger]

DV8 living up to his name with this post!!
Classic!!

He is indeed, whenever I get under my girl's canopy he wants full smell-o-vision with the pictures!

 

[Skottelgoed Spons]

Cheers Skott! I have previously used Neem and found it 'helped' but I wasn't completely sure about it's effectiveness, it seemed to slow them but not actually stop them. I have also tried a few drops of Rosemary essential oil with a little soap but similar to the Neem I felt it helped to knock them down but not necessarily out. For mites, so far I feel more confident about this than the Neem or Rosemary. Thanks!

Its the dishwash liquid that helps with removing the wax lining these mites have on them and without this wax lining they die. The garlic and onion helps with keeping the pests away and also helps with burning them because of the acid content within these 2 veggies/herbs. Always my go to pesticide for everything as I like natural stuff than to use store bought products.

Have a good one stungs and stay safe

 

[Stunger]

Its the dishwash liquid that helps with removing the wax lining these mites have on them and without this wax lining they die. The garlic and onion helps with keeping the pests away and also helps with burning them because of the acid content within these 2 veggies/herbs. Always my go to pesticide for everything as I like natural stuff than to use store bought products.

Have a good one stungs and stay safe

Cheers Scott, you too!

 

[Stunger]

Update - Mango Sherbert hits her 25 days of droughting! - warning picture bomb - this is where she's at!

Greetings 420 enthusiasts! This update is just on the Mango Sherbert, as soon she's harvested I can focus on the other two. However today the Mango Sherbert has hit 25 days since I stopped watering her, I first rescued her on her 7th day when she showed her initial 'badly wilting' appearance, I 'rescued' her little water and then I let her wilt again and repeated multiple times to get to now. From this point I will be 'kinder' to her as I feel she will have had her survival response triggered by now and at the same time I want to give her all the support she needs to reach bud maturity in the declining weather conditions ahead. If the weather is cold, humid and raining, then I don't want her to become overwhelmed to infections/pests at this final stage.

Her condition now shows a lot of stress/age since I began her drought 25 days ago. At that time, I had no idea if I would get enough supportful weather for a drought, so I began at that point because in the least I was hoping for 10 days of good droughting weather, but I have had much longer, which has been great for triggering the survival response that @Martimer talks about. So while I won't be ever watering her generously again. I will, from now, give her more regular rescue drinks in the hope of letting her do her best in the remaining days/weeks.

From this point, it is cooling quickly, I envisage harvesting her in another 1-2 weeks, but I am prepared to go longer if necessary (weather permitting), as it is Autumn (Fall) here, and weather can turn bad for long periods where it becomes a gamble to either harvest, or take the risk of waiting for greater maturity and instead lose it to bud rot.

Anyway, today's post marks the journaling of an outdoor plant that has gone thru droughting (repetitions of wilting and rescuing) over a 25 day period. This post is about as good as I can get for far, near, and 'leaning for closer' pictures of where she is at. Does it show anything different for the stress she has been under? That's a toughie I think, but I'll let the pics say what they say..

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She has had a tough 25 days. I don't plan on being so tough on her from here, so I would suggest that up until now she has had a constant drought pressure upon her for 25 days. From now, it will be a sort of, 2nd phase, the final stage. Where she's had the survival response triggered, and now I just want her to do her best to guide the buds home!
Thanks for dropping by, keep safe and I hope you're feeling good on some nice bud today!

 

[Emeraldo]

Hey Stunger

She Mango Sherbet looks a little bit like Merle, uh, you know, Haggard but the trichomes look like they're just oozing all over. Not much longer!

As for the other two, what kind of temperatures are you looking at over the next week? Is it daytime above 20C? And nighttime down to 10C or lower?

The others are pure sativa or pretty close, so they may go a lot longer. The amazing thing about those pure tropical sativa strains like Malawi from ACE, for example, is that they can handle the cold Autumn (or Fall, potaeto potahto) temperatures. Your Malawi and Honduras will probably go well into May, don't you think?

 

[Stunger]

Mango Sherbet looks a little bit like Merle, uh, you know, Haggard but the trichomes look like they're just oozing all over. Not much longer!

Hey Emeraldo, from a distance she looks quite shabby, but looks more promising closer up. Yes, it shouldn't be too much longer by the looks of things.

down to 10C or lower?

It's down to about 12-15C overnight, it won't be long before it drops lower.

The others are pure sativa or pretty close, so they may go a lot longer. The amazing thing about those pure tropical sativa strains like Malawi from ACE, for example, is that they can handle the cold Autumn (or Fall, potaeto potahto) temperatures. Your Malawi and Honduras will probably go well into May, don't you think?

Yes, I should imagine they won't be ready until at least half way into May, and maybe more. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the cooling weather.

 

[Maritimer]

Ahoy @Stunger,
You taking good notes?
This looks to be a game changer for the folks in soil.
I have never applied repeated droughts figuring Caplan showed it to be a deficient process.
You my friend, are proving able to tune and adjust this craft of drought and others will follow.

 

[Stunger]

Ahoy @Stunger,
You taking good notes?
This looks to be a game changer for the folks in soil.
I have never applied repeated droughts figuring Caplan showed it to be a deficient process.
You my friend, are proving able to tune and adjust this craft of drought and others will follow.

Thanks Maritimer! My notes are this journal, with this post and it's pictures, it is as good a statement as I can give for the results of applying 25 days of water restrictions to her. In doing so I have tried to recreate a similar extended and repetitive droughting that occurred to my very first accidentally droughted plant that I grew over a dozen years ago, which gave an outstanding result.

 

[ZebraCat]

They’re all looking good with the MS not far away.

 

[InTheShed]

All caught up and loving the balcony pics! Any belly-crawl shots of the developing seeds?

Also, do you always get this kind of trich development on the stems?

But hints of vanilla bean mixed with coriander and a hint of pepper?

LOLOLOL!

 

[Stunger]

They’re all looking good with the MS not far away.

Thanks Zeb! Yes ready anytime, but I would like to have a little more amber to that point in my memory that I let that previous (accidentally droughted) plant reach before harvest, whether that is in another 5 days or 10, it's all good if I can keep her striving to live. I gave her another small drink this morning of about 1-1.5L, to say 'well done old girl'.

All caught up and loving the balcony pics!

Thanks Shed!

Any belly-crawl shots of the developing seeds?

I should be able to locate some on the budded stems that I selectively pollinated, it has been close to 5 weeks now. I'll take a look!

Also, do you always get this kind of trich development on the stems?

I really couldn't say, it is only because of the 'droughting' that I have been looking so closely, and that's just been to observe and document the effects, if any can be seen, from the droughting stress on the plant/buds/trichomes.
This is a bit of an experiment for me, so in a year or three down the line when my memory is hazy, it's handy to have a sequence of pics to refer back to.

 

[Carcass]

Does it show anything different for the stress she has been under? That's a toughie I think, but I'll let the pics say what they say..

Well, it sure didn't hurt anything...
Do we know if droughting brings on more trichomes, or more thc in the existing trichomes?
Either way, it looks like the MS is going to get you plenty high- and great job on the droughting- I don't know if I'd have what it takes to stick with it for as long as you did ..
Well done, Stunger!

 

[Stunger]

Well, it sure didn't hurt anything...
Do we know if droughting brings on more trichomes, or more thc in the existing trichomes?
Either way, it looks like the MS is going to get you plenty high- and great job on the droughting- I don't know if I'd have what it takes to stick with it for as long as you did ..
Well done, Stunger!

Thanks Carcass! Yes, funny how from a distance the plant looks very rough, but up close her buds have a reasonably sugary appeal about them.

My 'casual' understanding of 'droughting' is from Maritimer's investigations and from Dr Caplan's thesis on it, his results showed a serious increase in the major cannabinoids including THC (I forget what the numbers were at the moment).

I also understand that some form of 'droughting' is already practiced to increase the proportion of essential oils in some herbs. Plus as I have mentioned before, I had an accidental droughting occur years ago, which probably remains the most potent buds I've ever grown, and I put that down to the droughting the plant received. Cheers.

 

[Emeraldo]

... Plus as I have mentioned before, I had an accidental droughting occur years ago, which probably remains the most potent buds I've ever grown...

At least until this year. Do we have a chop date yet?

 

[Stunger]

At least until this year. Do we have a chop date yet?

Haha. I would like to aim for about 10-20% amber, and then that'll be chop date!

 

[DonkeyDick]

I am just hoping the weather stays supportive!

I’m glad the tail end of that tropical cyclone missed you this week.
Down here a lot of folks are pulling their outdoors - night temps are down where we expect frosts soon.

Ahoy E,
At Maritimer's I have been in a chronic battle with crippling pain. There are no comfortable positions to stand, sit, or lay. I am a recovering opiate addict as well as a recovering alcoholic and cannot take anything for pain that actually helps. Except our cannameds. But like any drug the more we take, the more it will take in time.

Eventually my need for medication has driven me to almost complete concentrate consumption as one joint is a wasted effort. In the time it takes to smoke a joint I can have several dabs so it becomes a no brainer. The levels of tolerance continue to rise, and more concentrate is consumed.

Alas and to your point, without the meds I am in so much pain I can't focus, but with the meds I am so high I have a hard time focusing. But what would I rather have?

I am glad, and a bit jealous that there are folks out there who are not in the same boat. It would now be a welcome feeling to want to just catch a nice lite buzz. But for the folks like me who cannot even sleep without terrible pain waking me all night, I am always droughting for maximum couch lock results.

Stay sober

Cannameds for the win!

Do we know if droughting brings on more trichomes, or more thc in the existing trichomes?

A follow up supplementary question if I may:
@Emilya raised this question somewhere ( ) and it got me thinking...
There is no doubt as to the increase in resin volume (see @Maritimer with his side-by-side same cultivar, same conditions yield 20+% more rosin post drought) the question is does that resin have the full complement of terpenes, thiols, flavonoids, aromatics and cannabinoids that it would if it had’ve matured normally? Or is resin production, while increased, still developmentally stunted somehow at the point droughting began?
Have tests been done does anyone know?

 

[Stunger]

A follow up supplementary question if I may:
@Emilya raised this question somewhere ( ) and it got me thinking...
There is no doubt as to the increase in resin volume (see @Maritimer with his side-by-side same cultivar, same conditions yield 20+% more rosin post drought) the question is does that resin have the full complement of terpenes, thiols, flavonoids, aromatics and cannabinoids that it would if it had’ve matured normally? Or is resin production, while increased, still developmentally stunted somehow at the point droughting began?
Have tests been done does anyone know?

Cheers DD, I'd really love to get my current droughted plant tested to see where it stands in the black and white of the numbers (I even wonder if I could vac/seal some buds and send them overseas in some suitably anonymous way without it costing an arm and leg). Our country is unfortunately backward in that regard, a shame, as I actually know someone that runs a full laboratory who could and would happily test it for me if it was legal, but currently they have to get all sorts of government permission for only certified legal growers for which there is probably less than fingers on one hand in the country, and not something I want anyone risking their job for, so unfortunately there is f*ck all chance for home growers to get a science report on their veggies here!

But numbers, lab tests and go faster stripes aside, I am doing this because of the accidentally droughted plant I once grew, it produced wonderfully potent buds (as I (and others) appraised them at the time), they were clearly head and shoulders above the bag of buds that the seed originally came from. So if my currently droughted plant can come anywhere close to that original accidental effort then I'll be very happy, and if it does turn out to be great then it would be really good to have lab test numbers to show for it. I always remember Maritimer mentioning, how his bud didn't necessarily look all bag pretty, but he said the folks he helps out with pain meds all preferred his droughted buds to the rest. And while that is just words to most folks, I ignorantly/accidentally produced a fantastically potent droughted plant, which was 100% unintended, at the time I just want my wizened, 'daily heat wilted' plant just to make it thru to harvest. I used a microscope to check the state of the trichomes and harvested at about 15% amber. At the time I thought it was really special for how potent it was. It is a real shame that it is all so anecdotal without any lab test to show some difference that could be responsible.

There is only one slight caveat on all this, back when I grew that accidentally droughted plant, I would make do on 2-3oz a year, whereas these days my harvests are up and I'm making full use! So I suspect back then, I would be more 'sensitive' to it. But we'll see soon enough..

 

[StoneOtter]

So I am trying to be very careful that I don't over stress the plant to where she cannot fight back against pests/infection.

Or make seeds

Update - Mango Sherbert hits her 25 days of droughting! - warning picture bomb - this is where she's at!

Greetings 420 enthusiasts! This update is just on the Mango Sherbert, as soon she's harvested I can focus on the other two. However today the Mango Sherbert has hit 25 days since I stopped watering her, I first rescued her on her 7th day when she showed her initial 'badly wilting' appearance, I 'rescued' her little water and then I let her wilt again and repeated multiple times to get to now. From this point I will be 'kinder' to her as I feel she will have had her survival response triggered by now and at the same time I want to give her all the support she needs to reach bud maturity in the declining weather conditions ahead. If the weather is cold, humid and raining, then I don't want her to become overwhelmed to infections/pests at this final stage.

Her condition now shows a lot of stress/age since I began her drought 25 days ago. At that time, I had no idea if I would get enough supportful weather for a drought, so I began at that point because in the least I was hoping for 10 days of good droughting weather, but I have had much longer, which has been great for triggering the survival response that @Martimer talks about. So while I won't be ever watering her generously again. I will, from now, give her more regular rescue drinks in the hope of letting her do her best in the remaining days/weeks.

From this point, it is cooling quickly, I envisage harvesting her in another 1-2 weeks, but I am prepared to go longer if necessary (weather permitting), as it is Autumn (Fall) here, and weather can turn bad for long periods where it becomes a gamble to either harvest, or take the risk of waiting for greater maturity and instead lose it to bud rot.

Anyway, today's post marks the journaling of an outdoor plant that has gone thru droughting (repetitions of wilting and rescuing) over a 25 day period. This post is about as good as I can get for far, near, and 'leaning for closer' pictures of where she is at. Does it show anything different for the stress she has been under? That's a toughie I think, but I'll let the pics say what they say..

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She has had a tough 25 days. I don't plan on being so tough on her from here, so I would suggest that up until now she has had a constant drought pressure upon her for 25 days. From now, it will be a sort of, 2nd phase, the final stage. Where she's had the survival response triggered, and now I just want her to do her best to guide the buds home!
Thanks for dropping by, keep safe and I hope you're feeling good on some nice bud today!

Nice testing!