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And there is a huge difference between treating someone with love and respect and walking on egg shells because this or that group might be offended. I think we all owe it to each other to try and treat each other with kindness and respect.
 
Duggan said:
Van,.you and me...we gotta sit, puff, drink, laugh ..our asses off. You and me, we on same page my good brotha, misfit, ner de well, friend a mine... you like canoes? Gotta canoe trip comin up in a few (ten months Dugg's). please give it some thought would ya..you and Mrs. Stank... Cheers eh..:passitleft:
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Hell I am hoping one of these days I will guess right on your harvest amount and I can come up and collect and we can do just that!

Now when you say Canoe.....I assume you mean cruise ships right?
 
we might be twenty years apart van, but thats how my parents raised me as well. Life doesnt give a shit about your feelings. Work hard, be a man of your word, respect others opinions even if you dont agree.... I miss the days of old when disputes could be settled with a fist fight and a shake of hands after and things were settled.... First time my wife came for dinner with the family, we were having a heated discussion about whatever... By the end of dinner we were all laughing joking etc... She didnt know what hit her cause her parents raised her to not really have an opinion... Its taken me 5+ years to get her to speak up for herself, understand that youre entitled tp your opinion and just because someone is older than you doesnt mean you have to go along with what theyre saying.
 
Van Stank said:
Sorry brother, but i don't give a shit if a woman is offended if I open the door for her. I am not going to change the fact I open doors for women, kids and older folks because thats the way I was raised, has nothing to do with insinuating she can't open the door. I do it because its the right thing to do. I was raised to treat women special
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You might not want to change because some woman is offended by you holding the door for her, but you might not want to dismiss her quite so offhandedly for feeling that way. Holding the door for a woman actually and truly represents a historical dominance of men over women (i.e. subservient, chattel, etc.) that, though you may not be feeling, is a fact. Some people are focused on changing historical norms to represent the current way we view the world. Those people tend to be members of groups that have been traditionally held down. Change is hard, resisted, scorned, and ridiculed. It happens anyway.
 
yeah I don't get that......"oh you can't talk about these touchy subjects because someone might not like what is said". WTF is that? If you are respectful and have an honest and open dialogue and you are respecting the others right to their opinion, and you respectfully listen and respectfully have an open conversation (minus the name calling and all the other shit that accompanies differences of opinions these days) then thats how we come to have a better understanding and learn to live together better.

People don't listen and people don't respect and embrace the differences. If people can do those things, our interactions become much more pleasant.

I am far to blunt for most people. Especially where I live. Ms Stank gets a kick out watching people deal with me. I am far too honest and opinionated for this modern world.
 
I’m an older person and if that’s the worst I hear all day then I’m having a pretty damned good day!
 
Van Stank said:
yeah I don't get that......"oh you can't talk about these touchy subjects because someone might not like what is said". WTF is that? If you are respectful and have an honest and open dialogue and you are respecting the others right to their opinion, and you respectfully listen and respectfully have an open conversation (minus the name calling and all the other shit that accompanies differences of opinions these days) then thats how we come to have a better understanding and learn to live together better.

People don't listen and people don't respect and embrace the differences. If people can do those things, our interactions become much more pleasant.

I am far to blunt for most people. Especially where I live. Ms Stank gets a kick out watching people deal with me. I am far too honest and opinionated for this modern world.
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I'm with you on that Van. Respectful and open and honest dialog is the only way people can find common ground, which we need a lot more of over name-calling or lumping people together as a block like "progressives" or "hunters."
 
Van Stank said:
I am far to blunt for most people. Especially where I live.
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You'd fit right in up here...:)

I was meeting with my guy who does all my excavating today and I think he said my ideas were stupid twice in a 10 minute conversation....which was accurate, because i said 2 (or three) stupid things. I laughed to my wife because this guy has given us so much great advice over the years...he just doesn't waste time on the pleasantries...
 
InTheShed said:
You might not want to change because some woman is offended by you holding the door for her, but you might not want to dismiss her quite so offhandedly for feeling that way. Holding the door for a woman actually and truly represents a historical dominance of men over women (i.e. subservient, chattel, etc.) that, though you may not be feeling, is a fact. Some people are focused on changing historical norms to represent the current way we view the world. Those people tend to be members of groups that have been traditionally held down. Change is hard, resisted, scorned, and ridiculed. It happens anyway.
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I respect that some women might feel that way and they are certainly welcome to choose to feel that way as well as some men today might feel that way. And I will continue to open the door for them because thats the way I was raised and my old man would smack me to this day if I didn't. I don't get offended at all by a woman, a child or an older person politely saying "No thank you, I got it". Wouldn't bother me in the least. And then she could open the door for herself on her own. But then again, I don't get offended.

I don't expect her to stop feeling the way she does to make me feel better about opening the door for her. She also shouldn't expect me to change what I believe to be right to make her feel better. See that....easy to have a difference of opinion and not be offended or put someone else down. And if one of em wants to sit down over a soda or beer and discuss it, cool....I am always willing to talk about damn near anything, assuming its going to be a open and respectful discussion. I have found those that tend to be easily offended are the same people that are the least likely to be involved in open and honest dialogue. My daughter in law is that person to a "T". See things as she sees them or she cuts ya out of her life. LOL..ok whatever.

See how that worked? I maintain my beliefs, she maintains hers, no name calling (like me being sexist for opening doors) and active listening and dialogue took place. But guess what Shed......that isn't want happens these days brother. See as soon as the "un-offended" person tries to discuss or 'justify' their 'archaic' actions, the offended person blows up and makes a scene and then the bullying starts happening. No attempt at what you described and understanding and respecting each other. Instead its "no, your wrong and I demand you apologize and stop". One way communication doesn't work regardless of which of the two sides is the one doing the talking.
 
Van Stank said:
I respect that some women might feel that way and they are certainly welcome to choose to feel that way as well as some men today might feel that way. And I will continue to open the door for them because thats the way I was raised and my old man would smack me to this day if I didn't. I don't get offended at all by a woman, a child or an older person politely saying "No thank you, I got it". Wouldn't bother me in the least. And then she could open the door for herself on her own. But then again, I don't get offended.

I don't expect her to stop feeling the way she does to make me feel better about opening the door for her. She also shouldn't expect me to change what I believe to be right to make her feel better. See that....easy to have a difference of opinion and not be offended or put someone else down. And if one of em wants to sit down over a soda or beer and discuss it, cool....I am always willing to talk about damn near anything, assuming its going to be a open and respectful discussion. I have found those that tend to be easily offended are the same people that are the least likely to be involved in open and honest dialogue. My daughter in law is that person to a "T". See things as she sees them or she cuts ya out of her life. LOL..ok whatever.

See how that worked? I maintain my beliefs, she maintains hers, no name calling (like me being sexist for opening doors) and active listening and dialogue took place. But guess what Shed......that isn't want happens these days brother. See as soon as the "un-offended" person tries to discuss or 'justify' their 'archaic' actions, the offended person blows up and makes a scene and then the bullying starts happening. No attempt at what you described and understanding and respecting each other. Instead its "no, your wrong and I demand you apologize and stop". One way communication doesn't work regardless of which of the two sides is the one doing the talking.
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Quite true as long as the discussion doesn't devolve to name-calling. But also consider it's not really a discussion if someone goes into it completely unwilling to modify their long-held beliefs when confronted with new information or a new point of view. Just because your father taught you something doesn't mean it's appropriate lo these many years later. And it doesn't make him wrong if you change the way you do it now.
 
Van Stank said:
I go back to when I was a kid.....and I would complain about something to my parents "Thats not fair" or some juvenile complaint and their response was "Life ain't fair boy, get over it.....life don't care how you feel". I remember complaining to them a few times when i was young about other kids saying mean things and not a bit of sympathy. "Sticks and stones boy, they will break your bones.....them words can't hurt ya if ya don't let it". I thought my parents were so out of touch with life but my god they were so right.

I started learning early on how to deal with uncomfortable situations. I am so thankful they raised me that way and not like these people running around these days that seem to find offense to literally everything that they don't agree with.

My daughter in law is one of those that finds offense in everything! Hold a door open for a woman and you are insulting her by insinuating she can't open the door on her own. Oh no, this group over here might be offended by that so you can't say that. LOL.....the fuck I can't. I am not responsible for catering to their hurt feelings or yours.

I have tried having discussions with people that always seem to be offended, and explain to them than nothing actually happens if you are 'offended'. They have choice of how to deal with stuff they don't like hearing. Nothing happens....no ones bank account disappears. No ones loved one is going to leave them because I said something they don't like. Its a reaction they choose to have and dwell on. Its a very simple concept. But we raise kids that generally are incapable of dealing with controversy or uncomfortable situations. Oh well....their issues, not mine.

I guess for me, I gotta give a shit about your opinion for me to be concerned with something negative you might have to say. For me a stranger or even someone I don't know well can say anything they want. If I don't care about them, or their opinion, why in the hell would I even worry about what they thought of me. I learned a long time ago that you can't make everyone happy so focus on those that are important to you. If the others don't like you or your opinion or what you say, oh well, let them deal with it.
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Van's name is on this post ...but it was really mine!!!!:cheer:
 
I hold the door for ANYONE walking behind me. Sometimes for 5 minutes.... black white brown yellow old young man woman handicapped or track star. Its a common courtesy. To me it has nothing to do with women. I has to do with manners and respect.

I also pull the chair out for a woman about to sit down. And in formal settings stand when one enters the room. I do it because I love and respect women, not because I think they are below me.


Nothing drives me INSANE when I do something out of the kindness of my heart and some idiot makes it into a discrimination thing. Lol treat me like everyone else.... Okay that's how I treat everyone? So what you mean is treat me worse then everyone else....what?!

Van Stank said:
LOL....yes, really! Rabbit poop is no joke brother!
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Already had my wife text her I'll be collecting it bi weekly here in the next couple weeks....

Duggan said:
Ya,...u got it pontiac!.....It was from the "A Team"..he, Hannibal, always said..."I love it when a plan comes together"
Simpler times ,..before PC's. Before social media and all the crap it's causing. A better time...:surf:
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Ahh political correctness. The governments attempt to replace our own morals and or beliefs with their own.... wtf happened to freedom of speech?
 
Blew Hiller said:
You'd fit right in up here...:)

I was meeting with my guy who does all my excavating today and I think he said my ideas were stupid twice in a 10 minute conversation....which was accurate, because i said 2 (or three) stupid things. I laughed to my wife because this guy has given us so much great advice over the years...he just doesn't waste time on the pleasantries...
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Yeah if ya think I am bad now....should have seen me back in the Corps! My tolerance level for snivels was zero. Man have I ever mellowed out and 'evolved'. Maybe its not evolved....maybe its that nothing I am really doing today is dealing with a life threatening situation. You don't have time to have fucking discussions about stuff when people's lives are on the line. I don't have to be wound quite as tight. Instant obedience because you trust in the person over you so you do it immediately.

I remember I had a Master Gunnery Sergeant that I worked for. He was a very blunt person as most of them are. He gave me the worst ass chewing I ever got in my life. I left him feeling like the biggest piece of shit on the planet. He swung by to see about 10 minutes later. He said "Van, you might think I was a bit hard on you son, but you have to look in the mirror and be honest with yourself....was anything that I said untrue?"

"No Master Guns" I said

"Why do you look like someone just killed your puppy then son?" He responded

"It was hard to hear you say those things" I replied

"But you said they were true" He replied...."Does the truth bother you normally"?

I had to think about it for a bit.

He responded....."you gotta learn to hear what is said, and then look in the mirror and answer the question honestly, Was it untrue"

That discussion did a lot for my perspective on things.
 
The only critical thinking they teach in classrooms anymore is thinking about feelings. Which as I've said before aren't a basis for an educated decision. Emotions fuel reactions not decisions. But brainwash the kids to react to their feelings and not truth or fact, and they can manipulate their desires with ease.

Use tragedy to advance their political agenda with no true regard to your wellbeing. And I'm not talking right or left. News flash they both do it. Its no coincidence the nation flip flops back and forth between elephant and donkey. One is the solution to the others problems but neither really works independent of the other. So we continue to fall for the same BS election cycle after cycle really buying into the load of rabbit shit that says they're going to fix the problems. Guess what if they fixed those problems they'd be out of a job. (Or so they think) truth is they spend all their time working on reelection by campaign and not letting their hard work do the campaigning for them.... talk about a broken ass backwards system from what our founding fathers had intended.

Ok I'm done. Thanks for letting me share van. I know we agree on most of this but it feels good to "type it out loud"
 
InTheShed said:
Quite true as long as the discussion doesn't devolve to name-calling. But also consider it's not really a discussion if someone goes into it completely unwilling to modify their long-held beliefs when confronted with new information or a new point of view. Just because your father taught you something doesn't mean it's appropriate lo these many years later. And it doesn't make him wrong if you change the way you do it now.
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That all depends on how you were raised Shed. I don't change my ways to make others happy Shed. Never will. I do what I do because I believe them to be right. If your reason for wanting me to change a behavior is because maybe someone of a particular group might be bothered by it. So using your logic, I stop opening doors because my daughter in law and others or offended by it. Cool....now what happens when i am in Georgia or Alabama where its generally assumed the man will open the door for ladies because its the polite thing to do. They become offended.....well hell.....now I am in quite the conundrum right? Half the group is offended if i do it....half the group is offended if I don't do it.

Ah I know....I will just walk back and forth until no one is following me and then I will walk in the door alone so no one is offended right?

SO I go back to a comment a made a few days ago on here I think. You can't make everyone happy. So where does that leave us......ah yes......doing things because we feel they are the right thing to do, not because its socially acceptable or unacceptable. I give the grocery cart the 70 year old lady at the grocery store because its easier for me get another one than it is for her and I would want someone to do that for my mother if she went to the store. I carry stuff for older people because I want people to help me and my loved ones that are that age. I do the things that I do because I believe they are the right things to do. If your moral compass is strong, you don't worry about those that get offended.

Again, just my opinion and the way I live my life and raised my son to be.
 
wow its like you guys read my mind and typed it all out for me. Couldnt agree more with whats being said, the society that is evolving makes the future look bleak, but atleast i dont feel like the only one anymore lol wife and i have talked about kids recently, makes me worried thinking what kind of world theyre going to grow up to.
 
TheMadDabber said:
I hold the door for ANYONE walking behind me. Sometimes for 5 minutes.... black white brown yellow old young man woman handicapped or track star. Its a common courtesy. To me it has nothing to do with women. I has to do with manners and respect.

I also pull the chair out for a woman about to sit down. And in formal settings stand when one enters the room. I do it because I love and respect women, not because I think they are below me.


Nothing drives me INSANE when I do something out of the kindness of my heart and some idiot makes it into a discrimination thing. Lol treat me like everyone else.... Okay that's how I treat everyone? So what you mean is treat me worse then everyone else....what?!


Already had my wife text her I'll be collecting it bi weekly here in the next couple weeks....



Ahh political correctness. The governments attempt to replace our own morals and or beliefs with their own.... wtf happened to freedom of speech?
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There is no freedom of sppe
TheMadDabber said:
The only critical thinking they teach in classrooms anymore is thinking about feelings. Which as I've said before aren't a basis for an educated decision. Emotions fuel reactions not decisions. But brainwash the kids to react to their feelings and not truth or fact, and they can manipulate their desires with ease.

Use tragedy to advance their political agenda with no true regard to your wellbeing. And I'm not talking right or left. News flash they both do it. Its no coincidence the nation flip flops back and forth between elephant and donkey. One is the solution to the others problems but neither really works independent of the other. So we continue to fall for the same BS election cycle after cycle really buying into the load of rabbit shit that says they're going to fix the problems. Guess what if they fixed those problems they'd be out of a job. (Or so they think) truth is they spend all their time working on reelection by campaign and not letting their hard work do the campaigning for them.... talk about a broken ass backwards system from what our founding fathers had intended.

Ok I'm done. Thanks for letting me share van. I know we agree on most of this but it feels good to "type it out loud"
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I am firm believer that modern education is nothing more than governmental indoctrination. They start young and go all the way through the college level.

They don't teach how to think, they teach what to think. Critical thinking is a thing of the past.

We are bringing up a generation incapable of accepting anything other than what they were indoctrinated to believe. Quite sad really.

The left wing and the right wing......both belong to the same bird! (in response to your "And i'm not talking left or right" comment)
 
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