Sqwheels' Perpetual 2L Hempy + Moms

[sqwheels]

Hi All,

Ok, I flushed 2 gal of plain water pH'd between 5.9-6.1 thru each plant. I think I did it properly... because it's a 2ltr bottle and a perl/verm mix it fills/floats easily. I filled the pot until the mix was floating but not overflowing and then waited for it to drain out the bottom, also tipping the bottle so any water in the reservior would also drain out. I did this fill/drain over and over, until I flushed 2 gal thru each pot. This morning they look slightly better. I'll loose some leaves, because I let them dry out too much, but I think they may survive, despite my abuse.

I'm pretty sure I still have a nute issue...the new growth is bright green/yellow, with the veins being a darker green. I'm thinkin a Sulfur or Iron def.

I think I'm going to change the nutes I'm using. Unless somebody here tells me it's a BAD idea to switch mid grow.

Canna's label says NPK 2-1-3 with .001 Mb

GH FloraNova is NPK 7-4-10 with all these others...

Ca.... 4%
Mg.... 1.5%
S.... 2.0%
B...... .01%
Cl...... .01%
Co..... .002%
Cu..... .01% Chelated
Fe..... .1% Chelated
Mn..... .03% Chelated
Mb..... .003%
Zn..... .02% Chelated

My very first grow (not journaled here) I used GH Flornova Grow/Bloom Nutes and I didn't have any problems with deficiencies, but my buddy told me he was having great success with Canna, so I tried them, but he uses well water and I use city tap, I think this may be part of the problem. Still have to go somewhere and get a sample analyzed. (Sorry OG, just haven't had the time.)

I've read I can water/foliar feed with epsom salts. If I do this and Sulfur is NOT the issue will it hurt my girls? And are we talking about regular Epsom Salts? The bag I have says...Magnesium Sulfate U.S.P. MgSO4 * 7H2O (these numbers mean nothing to me)

And what about a nail in the res for iron? I've heard people do this too...does this sound crazy?

Please don't laugh, I'm no chemist

 

[OG13]

I'd swap the nutes. Will probably need extra P with either product, got any bloom booster type thing? Water company should be able to give you an analysis on line or at city hall, do a little google searching. Do you know anyone local that brews beer, they may have the analysis already.....try JozoSha, he is near you somewhere. Brewers are pretty picky about their water too. Epsom salts (regular, cheap, pharmacy stuff) are good for Mag and the extra sulfur in a foliar feed won't hurt the plants. Do a foliar a couple times over a few days.

 

[sqwheels]

I'd swap the nutes. Will probably need extra P with either product, got any bloom booster type thing? Water company should be able to give you an analysis on line or at city hall, do a little google searching. Do you know anyone local that brews beer, they may have the analysis already.....try JozoSha, he is near you somewhere. Brewers are pretty picky about their water too. Epsom salts (regular, cheap, pharmacy stuff) are good for Mag and the extra sulfur in a foliar feed won't hurt the plants. Do a foliar a couple times over a few days.

Hi OG,

I've got CannaBoost accelorator NPK 0-1-1 Derived from monopotassium phospate sugar cane vinasse

says to "apply at the start of blooming phase, usually 1-3 weeks after flower initiation. Can be used as a foliar spray as well, use up the mix in 7 days, 8ml/gal or double that for extra stimulation."

I do have Miracle Gro Bloom booster that I bought for a Hibiscus a few years back NPK 10-52-10, but is that MJ safe? I'd have to research that.

I tried to get a report from my water company, but the report they sent me was not the info I was looking for. Don't know any brewers...will try JozoSha. I went out and got a water test kit today, will do these and let you know what the results are.

Foliar feed epsom salts? 1 tsp per gal? Is the pH # important?

Thanks OG, I sooo appreciate the coaching.

 

[OG13]

Hi OG,



I do have Miracle Gro Bloom booster that I bought for a Hibiscus a few years back NPK 10-52-10, but is that MJ safe? I'd have to research that.

Probably would be fine in moderation a little later....not needed now. Certainly much cheaper than ANYTHING at a hydro store.

I tried to get a report from my water company, but the report they sent me was not the info I was looking for. Don't know any brewers...will try JozoSha. I went out and got a water test kit today, will do these and let you know what the results are.

all you really care about is Total Alkalinity, pool test kits often have that test, you already know ph.....go into some of Docbuds old grows (more recent ones) and search on Total Alkalinity (TA). In your area is caused by Calcium in the water from Limestone (CaCo3 I believe). Why Cal Mag is "not needed" if using tap water. If TA is too high, it causes uptake issues (lockout) like on the colored graphs for pH. Want TA to be below 100 ideally. 150 is probably fine. Higher you could dilute tap water w/ bottled (test first) or RO from the store. {now you are learning the major obstacle to hydro for many peeps--water. The main ingredient in hydro} It's why everybody runs RO and Cal mag.

Foliar feed epsom salts? 1 tsp per gal? Is the pH # important?

ph doesn't matter, 1 tsp per qt is fine for sprayer, shake well to dissolve

Thanks OG, I sooo appreciate the coaching.

No worries, relax. I think people are stumped (haven't seen your journal so quiet for a while (been reading Krip's 129 pager all day))

See you in the am

 

[sqwheels]

Morning All,

Ok, so this morning they look slightly better again, late last night I gave a little more plain water, just enough to fill the res. and this morning they were really light again, when tipped to the side no water comes out, so I mixed a little GH Floronova Grow 1/4 tsp per gal (1/2 of recommended for seedlings and young plants)...pH'd to 6.1 and gave enough to refill the res...about 2-4oz ea. I also mixed 1 tsp Epsom Salt into a Qt. of water and sprayed them all...Wh Widows and Wonder Woman.

Then I took the GH mix and diluted it 1:3 and used it to spray the clones. Last nights check they were drying out some, the cube was slightly damp and springy, but no longer moist so I gave enough water to re-wet each cube. They appear to be rooting, I think (remember my uneducated eye) I've read that when clones start rooting they use up something in the larger leaves and they turn yellow on the edges. That's what they are doing now. And the newest leaves look nice and green. They all are standing tall with some resistance, they are no longer wimpy, weepy little things. I think they're gonna survive. Yaayyy Maybe I did something right.

I almost forgot to add...I tested alkalinity...the stick test shows 0ppm - 80ppm, definately closer to 0 on the color chart. Also tested hardness...stick test shows 50ppm - 120ppm, color chart is kinda close for this one. And the pH showed 7-8 in color chart, which is kinda strange...when I use my little Milwaukee meter in plain tap water it usually is between 8.5 - 9.3. At least that's been the norm lately.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Nice job, Sqwheels!

 

[Xlr8]

Hi Sqwheels - congrats on the clones. Glad you have some better news.

Are you absolutely certain your PH meter is calibrated correctly? The test strip being off is concerning - if it's mis-calibrated, it could explain some things.

 

[Cultivator]

Hey sqwheels

Just stumbled across ur journal and caught my eye because u are growing the wonder woman. I have grown this with some great success in soil but i have also had some which weren't so great. Expect rock hard dense buds that are real easy to trim and manage. Ive had a few hermie on me and also had quite a few mutant plants that had real weird growth patterns. But overall i'd say its a robust and well rewarding plant if u take good care of her. I'minterested to see how it turns out from a hydro perspective.

Good luck

 

[sqwheels]

Thanks Mr.K for the kind words and encouragement, I'm glad you're lookin in on me.

 

[sqwheels]

Hi Sqwheels - congrats on the clones. Glad you have some better news.

Are you absolutely certain your PH meter is calibrated correctly? The test strip being off is concerning - if it's mis-calibrated, it could explain some things.

Hi X,

How you doing? Sorry I'm behind on your journal, I've just been so busy here, making the rounds has been kinda hard. Last I looked your plants were doing really good ...I'll try to get by there today.

Ya, the pH thing has me stumped. I have a simple $20 Milwaukee meter, it tells me that my water, from the tap, after sitting on the counter for at least 24hrs, between 8.5 - 9.3 the last few days. I check the calibration regularly, it seems to be working fine. I also have a drops/color chart test kit by GH, I'm going to do a test with this also, just to confirm.

The chart that came with this PurTest kit I got, on the pH scale 7-9 are all almost the same color. 6.5 is just slightly lighter... I'll try to get a pic of this and post it. It will make more sense if you could see it, I'm sure.

 

[sqwheels]

Hey sqwheels

Just stumbled across ur journal and caught my eye because u are growing the wonder woman. I have grown this with some great success in soil but i have also had some which weren't so great. Expect rock hard dense buds that are real easy to trim and manage. Ive had a few hermie on me and also had quite a few mutant plants that had real weird growth patterns. But overall i'd say its a robust and well rewarding plant if u take good care of her. I'minterested to see how it turns out from a hydro perspective.

Good luck

Hi Cultivator,

Welcome to my journal, thanks for stumbling in

I'm always happy to hear a review like this...my buddy gave me this wonder woman and I didn't know anything about it when I brought it home...I've heard very good things since then. He told me it would easy to grow, and also mentioned that it ocassionally would put out a seed or two. He seemed to like it alot so...I'm trying it.

Thanks for visiting, don't be a stranger...all comments and suggestions welcome.

 

[sqwheels]

Ok, this is the instructions that came with the PurTest kit I bought...

the black marker was my interpretation of the results

the alka tab was mostly unchanged, it was yellow, with just a slight tinge of green, so I'm saying I have less than 80ppm

the hardness and pH test were a little harder to decide...the colors are so close that I wasn't certain Hardness was closer to the 3 grain/50ppm color than the 7grain/120ppm, so I'm saying I have less than 120ppm

the pH 6.5 is slightly peach tinge but 7 and 8 are nearly the same, 9 is just a little darker, I'm not sure about this, and this is the most important one.

Does anybody know of a specific test kit for pH I can get that's more precise?

Any ideas?

 

[Cultivator]

Hi Cultivator,

Welcome to my journal, thanks for stumbling in

I'm always happy to hear a review like this...my buddy gave me this wonder woman and I didn't know anything about it when I brought it home...I've heard very good things since then. He told me it would easy to grow, and also mentioned that it ocassionally would put out a seed or two. He seemed to like it alot so...I'm trying it.

Thanks for visiting, don't be a stranger...all comments and suggestions welcome.

No prob. I stumbled across it some years ago and i swear by it now. It isnt the most amazing smoke but it isnt bad either. From a commercial point of view its a good pick. U will get the odd seed and ive grown some out and had both good and bad results. However i dont know of anyone who has disliked it. Its great for learners as it can handle alot of shit!

Hope u figure out ur probs, all the best............

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi Young Lady!

I'm not sure there are any better Ph test kits than the one you have. Maybe some one knows of a better one.

Have a good weekend!

 

[sqwheels]

Hi OMM,

Really? No pH test kits that give a more specific number in decimals?

I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the Canna product itself...I've gone back to using GH FloraNova. I used them for my first grow and they turned out wonderful. If you remember I had nute issues with my last grow too, I was using Canna. Not sure I like them.

Weekly Update in a little bit.

 

[sqwheels]

Cultivator,

It's good to know that..."it can handle alot of shit"

I'm a beginner and I've made sooo many mistakes. Hopefully I'll be on the short side of the learning curve, and get better at this quickly...I haven't actually killed anything yet...

Appreciate the info, thanks for the encouragment.

 

[Mr. Krip]

Hi OMM,

Really? No pH test kits that give a more specific number in decimals?

I'm actually beginning to wonder if it's the Canna product itself...I've gone back to using GH FloraNova. I used them for my first grow and they turned out wonderful. If you remember I had nute issues with my last grow too, I was using Canna. Not sure I like them.

Weekly Update in a little bit.

Can't you just use a PH Meter? As long as it's calibrated, you'll get PH accurate to two decimal places (i.e. 6.12).

 

[sqwheels]

Hi Mr.K,

yep I have a meter...the confusion came because when I tested with the PurTest kit it says my plain water is 7-8, but when I test with my meter it says 9.1 sometimes as high as 9.3. That seemed like a big difference. I check my meter regularly and it's always within .2 since the last time I checked it.

 

[Steve McStoferson]

it sounds like your meter may need to be recalibrated. I notice mine shifts occasionally, and I have to recalibrate the settings.

 

[sqwheels]

Weekly Update...beginning of week 5 for White Widow seedlings

Group Shot

I haven't pulled any damaged leaves, I wanted to watch and see what would happen to them with time.

Various shots...not sure with these which plants is which

This is WW C the UBT victim, you can see the 3 main colas

Wonder Woman

And the Wonder Woman clones...group shot

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I think it's time to start giving nutes to the clones. I haven't given anything but about 2oz of water a few days back when I noticed the cubes were a little dry. But they look like they could handle some food now.

At this point I'm almost convinced my problem wasn't so much the pH, but more likely the Canna nutes I was feeding. I've gone back to using GH FloraNova, they have gotten a very light dose for 3 days. The new growth is still really green/yellow. Maybe this is normal

I have also been spraying daily with diluted nutes or an epsom salts mix.

I really want to switch these to 12/12 soon...They are already bigger than I intended to let them get, but I don't want to switch until I know they are healthy and can deal with it well.

Ok, that's it for now...off to do chores. Gotta make the donuts (dinner). T will be home from work soon.



Happy Growing Everybody