Sqwheels' Perpetual 2L Hempy + Moms

[sqwheels]

Hi OG,

I know, you've been there in my corner this whole time.

Those clones look a little better today, I've been cover on/off 12/12 or there abouts. The little cube is still wet and the 2Ltr is still pretty heavy so I'm just gonna leave it like that for now.

Spray inside the cap, thanks

 

[sqwheels]

As to the paper towels, they are a microfiber mix and I dont feel they are toxic in any way. You could use 7/16ths nylon rope, the soft white kind not the plastic looking stuff also. Fullers earth is a baked clay like substance that is around 10% silicon along with some minerals. Vermiculite on the other hand has a toxic dust, is more expensive and adds nothing but water holding which the Fullers earth also does but better. The only thing I use vermiculite for now is cuttings. I started with your exact mixture, then went to straight perlite and then to the 1 part Fullers earth mix. Now I am at the organic/CRF combination and liking it best. I will add that Vermiculite caused no problems in the grows I used it in and it is light and easy to use. I would empty 3 bags of perlite and one bag of vermiculite into a trash bag, close the bag and shake to mix. Then let the dust settle with the bag closed and no dust inhalation. I will get you the details of the homemade PH down soon. Sort of a secret.

Hi Dr.RW,

You mean cotton rope, right? Not nylon, for wicking? I don't think I'm having any problems with moisture currently. This mix seems to be working well.

Can I find Fullers at my local big box? I don't quite get it..."my exact mix, then 100% perlite, then 1 part fullers earth mix." Nothing else, just the Fullers earth mix? Why silicon, is that important? Never heard any mention of it before. And what's organic/CRF?

Actually, I thought the perlite had more dust than the vermiculite. In my case I used 2 different kinds of Verm, one fine grade and one course grade. I just mixed it all in a big plastic tub and then watered it until it clumped together, then filled my 2L's

Don't want to cause you any grief over giving away secrets, but knowing how to make your own stuff, in this case pH down, is very useful and IMO shouldn't be kept a secret, the more we share/know the more we all benefit as home growers

Thanks for looking in...I'll go look for your journal

 

[sqwheels]

Hey Treezzz,

Good to see you again, thanks for the compliment.

It's a collaborative adventure. Pull up a chair and ride along.

I had a vision of myself as a mad scientist the other day while getting all the supplies around for the cloning operation. It was my first time ever.

It sometimes surprises me how much fun this has been, blunders and all. For a few hours yesterday I thought those clones where gonna die for sure, but today...I'm optomistic

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi OMM,

Thank you much... I've been working at it for sure. I like experimenting to see what will work well for me...I was just in there tonight thinkin' I'm gonna have to switch pretty soon, they are gonna double in size when I do, and they are already 6-7" and little bushes.

Can't wait to see what happens

Is that new journal up yet? Your harvest's were really nice!!! You are the Man, definately prevailed when it came to the Matterhorn.

Hope Jo is well, tell her hi

Hey sqwheels .

Go with what you feel is right for you. I'd probably flip them soon. I love topping fiming...fun to see what you've done.

The journal should be up sometime Monday......I'm raring to go! It will be different!

 

[treezzz]

Hey Treezzz,

Good to see you again, thanks for the compliment.

It's a collaborative adventure. Pull up a chair and ride along.

I had a vision of myself as a mad scientist the other day while getting all the supplies around for the cloning operation. It was my first time ever.

It sometimes surprises me how much fun this has been, blunders and all. For a few hours yesterday I thought those clones where gonna die for sure, but today...I'm optomistic

That's funny. i feel exactly the same way when i'm running around collecting random materials for my grow room or talking about some aspect of growing with my girlfriend who isn't that into growing. i agree that it is a lot of fun even with the mistakes i've made and every time we screw something up we learn what not to do. good job on your first cloning by the way

 

[Dr.Blue]

Hi Dr.RW,

You mean cotton rope, right? Not nylon, for wicking? I don't think I'm having any problems with moisture currently. This mix seems to be working well.

Can I find Fullers at my local big box? I don't quite get it..."my exact mix, then 100% perlite, then 1 part fullers earth mix." Nothing else, just the Fullers earth mix? Why silicon, is that important? Never heard any mention of it before. And what's organic/CRF?

Actually, I thought the perlite had more dust than the vermiculite. In my case I used 2 different kinds of Verm, one fine grade and one course grade. I just mixed it all in a big plastic tub and then watered it until it clumped together, then filled my 2L's

Don't want to cause you any grief over giving away secrets, but knowing how to make your own stuff, in this case pH down, is very useful and IMO shouldn't be kept a secret, the more we share/know the more we all benefit as home growers

Thanks for looking in...I'll go look for your journal

I'm not going to do a journal simply because my setup requires too much of the hated secrecy. 3 parts perlite to one part Fullers earth. Your local "Big Box" may carry smaller bags of oil absorbant, there are three major types, the most common and cheapest around here is called OilSorb which is a dark chunky product labeled "calcined clay" and claims to be less than 10% silicon. This is usable stuff and I used it occasionally in the bottom of the hempy buckets as a layer up to the hole as it retains water better than perlite and roots seem to love it. Plus it contains silicon which is good for stem strength. The second most common contains Diamentaceous earth, this is the most expensive but is a bit too dusty and requires an extra step to use (seperating the dust from it). Last is Fullers Earth, it comes in a red and brown 50 pound bag at Carquest auto parts stores. It is generally not as dusty as the Diamentaceous Earth, has a darker tan hue (DE is almost white) and has all the benefits of the others. I have used Fullers earth at 100% in wick systems with success. And the rope is indeed nylon just not the cheap stuff. Organic CRF, well it is a combination of Fullers earth (1 part), three parts of a local garden soil mix called Sta-Green and 1 part Perlite. The CRF (controlled release fert) that I am using is from Lilly Miller the 18-6-12 version. I add it at 1 tablespooon per gallon. Each "part" equals 2 gallons so I mix ten gallons at a time. So I add 10 tablespoons of Lilly Miller, 5 tablespoons of Jobes Organics all purpose fertylizer with Biozome (from Ace Hardware), 5 tablespoons of Epsom salts and 10 tablespons of Ironite 1-0-1 which is a mineral supplement. In fact I am following DocBud's writings and this is my interpretation of his latest work. As for the PH down I can't find my notes on the amount of water to mix the main ingrediant with and untill I do it will remain a "secret" to both of us, Ha! And by the way your plants are beautifull and I certainly am not telling you you are doing anything in less than a sterling manner. I may at times be medicated at the keyboard so I will make some mistakes occasionally.

 

[N.W.Green]

things are looking good buddy, the lime green growth is just because it is growing fast, HID lighting does wonders compared to cfl's and i always see this happen when i switch between the two, keep up the good work

 

[sqwheels]

Hi All,

Weekly Update...28 days since germ...are we having fun yet?

Group Shot L-R White Widow Seedlings A-D, and Wonder Woman

WW A...It doesn't show so bad in the photo, but the leaves are lime green closest to the stem and darker out toward the leaf tips with some blotchiness to the overall color

This is the stem structure, I'm surprised how beefy the stalk is already, you can kinda see the purplish stems

WW B...You can see the dis color a little better here

WW C...Only 3 colas, but 3 is better than 1. I am surprised how quickly she caught up to the others

It's not a great pic, but this is the UBT victim, you can see the little scar where I cut her

WW D...New growth here is slightly twisted and lime green, one of the newest tips is yellow. And the leaves are much thinner that the others, almost like a sativa

Was anybody counting?? What does it mean when your plants have leaves with 9-11 fingers? Is this good...or bad? Should I cheer or beware?


Wonder Woman...I just today found out that this is planted in soilless mix and I've been feeding as if it was in soil...

I found this online...it best describes what I'm seeing in my plants,

It looks like either Iron or Sulfer. I'm afraid to make a "mis diagnosis", if I "mis treat" I could make my problems worse. Should I use just plain water pH'd to what? for a flush, maybe just too much too soon?

Fig A in the Iron chart looks like my leaf, kinda lime/yellow close to the stem and darker green at the tips, with a slight purple tinge on the top side of the leaf stem. But my pH has been 6.0 at the highest, and it says that a pH higher than 6.5 is the most common cause, and the written description and Fig A in the Sulfur charts sounds like what I'm seeing.

Ok, a little medicated, I hope at least most of this makes sense.

To my uneducated eye, these plants are showing an early sign of something, I'm just not sure what.

I'd really like to catch it early...any ideas would be appreciated



Happy Growing Everybody

 

[sqwheels]

Hey Yall...Geeezzz, I said I was medicated... I forgot about the clones

Group Shot

#1 - Top

#2

#3

#4

I've kept them covered with the bottle tops, but with the caps off and misting the inside of the top to keep them from drying out...they are under 2x23w cfl, 24/0, temp 76, rh 55%, the root riot cubes are still damp and the bottle still has some weight to it, so I haven't given any water. Their stems have some resistance to it now, not all weepy like they were...I have hope for them

 

[OldMedMan]

Hi Sqwheels.

Actually they all look good. I would wait a bit before doing anything. My girls look like that too....

New journal is up......more story to come shortly.

 

[treezzz]

i wish i could help you out on the discoloration issue. hopefully it will just correct itself but if it does get worse i'm sure someone on here will be able to help you out. Your plants and clones are both looking pretty nice though

 

[Xlr8]

Hi Sqwheels.

Actually they all look good. I would wait a bit before doing anything. My girls look like that too....

New journal is up......more story to come shortly.

Hi Sqwheels!

The lime green new growth, like NW Green mentioned, is all good - just healthy new growth.

From what I'm seeing in the pictures, I would have to agree with OMM -- I'd advise you to don't over love them. I'm not seeing anything that says "take action now!" by your pictures. The twisted leaves, etc... probably some missing parts to the leaves occassionally? I've had them. One of my Lucy's really struggled with those leaves early but is coming out of it. My Blueberry did that stuff a lot in Veg, but not at all in bloom.

Might be an issue causing them, but I think sometimes that's a genetic deformity/anomaly. Maybe a good flush to remove excess nutrient salts, etc.? Not sure how often/if you are flushing with plain water or reduced PPM solution to keep things from building up.

9-11 blade leaves are cool and often a positive sign of vigor and health. So...

Hope you are well, Sqwheels!

Sorry I haven't been around more lately. Having a hard time keeping up with life these days!

 

[Dr.Blue]

Absolutely beautiful plants. Hmmmm on the discoloration, I think you are right in thinking iron or sulpher. Your plants are growing fast and what your giving them may not be keeping up. I treat magnesium/sulpher issues by adding 2 teaspoons of epsom salts per gallon to my feeding solutions and for iron nothing is better than Ironite. You can add these with no fears of plant reprisals in my experience. Oddly the WW's I have grown looked quite different than those, mine were from a different breeder though. I crossed them with Nirvana's AK 48 but havent run any of them yet. So many seeds and so little time. If you are keeping your PH at 6 maybe it wouldn't hurt to let it swing a bit, different elements are absorbed at different PH levels. My water is 7.1 from the tap and I like to run it at 6 to just under 7 but I have a microherd helping me too. Sorry rambling, my mind and a long favored diesel cut are fighting for dominance, Go Diesel!

 

[sqwheels]

Hi All,

Ok, I'm in trouble, look whats happened in less than 24 hrs

WW D...Not sure how it happened but I obviously let her get waayy too dry.

Is something feeding here? You can see that the leaf tissue is just gone!

WW A...leaves definately show signs of something wrong

This leaf shows the discoloration that I was first concerned about

WW B...little yellow spots on lower leaves

More feeding? What would do this?

WW C...she seems to stay wet longer than the others, she didn't suffer too badly

I obviously should have watered last night instead of waiting until this morning.

I watered plain H2O, pH 6.0 this morning, I overwatered so there was a little drained into the catch dish, I pH'd this with my little Milwaukee meter and they ranged from WWA 6.6, WWB 6.5, WWC 6.4, WWD 6.3. I rechecked each a few different times cause I thought it was odd the way each was successively lower...that's what I got. What am I suppose to get from this info? They're not feeding? Too much fertilizer? I'm not sure what this tells me.

I'm really worried this grow is spinning out of control fast...Please

 

[OG13]

I'd give them a plain water flush. Then recheck your nute mixing/calculation, just to make sure your are following it correctly. When they need water again, give them some nutes again. I think you let them get too dry and the leaves got damaged. If they dry out, just take them off. The new growth is what you need to watch. Your alkalinity could be causing you some trouble since you are growing "hydro" now and you did soil last time. It's cheaper to get the water analysis than to buy a RO setup--get to it....You will do all right, don't panic yet. Remember it is a weed.

 

[Spike69]

I would replant right away and just give them water for awhile.That's what I
would do.

 

[Dr.Blue]

Flush for sure, are they badly rootbound?

 

[Xlr8]

Hi Sqwheels -

I've never grown hempy, but this looks like a root issue to me now - probably either a drainage issue (roots in bottom in stagnant nutrient water), or a salt build up causing your medium (perlite, etc.) to be somewhat toxic to the plant. I'd flush with plain water, as many have suggested, as a first step at a minimum. You might want to do this once every couple of weeks or so as a preventative in the future if you're not doing that already.

Consider carefully replanting as Spike suggested if that's not too difficult for you to do. Spike is a terrific grower and a master at Widows.

Just a couple of thoughts.

 

[sqwheels]

I'd give them a plain water flush. Then recheck your nute mixing/calculation, just to make sure your are following it correctly. When they need water again, give them some nutes again. I think you let them get too dry and the leaves got damaged. If they dry out, just take them off. The new growth is what you need to watch. Your alkalinity could be causing you some trouble since you are growing "hydro" now and you did soil last time. It's cheaper to get the water analysis than to buy a RO setup--get to it....You will do all right, don't panic yet. Remember it is a weed.

I would replant right away and just give them water for awhile.That's what I would do.

Flush for sure, are they badly rootbound?

Hi Sqwheels -

I've never grown hempy, but this looks like a root issue to me now - probably either a drainage issue (roots in bottom in stagnant nutrient water), or a salt build up causing your medium (perlite, etc.) to be somewhat toxic to the plant. I'd flush with plain water, as many have suggested, as a first step at a minimum. You might want to do this once every couple of weeks or so as a preventative in the future if you're not doing that already.

Consider carefully replanting as Spike suggested if that's not too difficult for you to do. Spike is a terrific grower and a master at Widows.

Just a couple of thoughts.

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your thoughts...I did give plain water this morning, and they sucked it right up...

Flush? = run water through the medium 3 x the size of the pot? Like, I'm using 2ltr pots, so flush with 6ltr of water? Is that what you mean? Should I worry about the pH of the flush water?

I've been using Canna TerraVega, their suggested feeding schedule for vegetation is...12-20ml/gal I've been using 10ml/gal, Canna also says to feed with every watering at pH 5.8-6.2. I've been pH'ing within this range.

Someone here pointed out that plants take different nutes at different pH values, so I've been pH'ing between 5.8-6.2 like Canna suggested. The general concensus seems to be for Hydro between 5.5-6.1 according to this chart... so it stands to reason that I'm not overfeeding or using a bad pH level, but...as you can see from my most recent pics, something is definately out of whack here

I don't want to over react to it, but I certainly need to get it figured out and under control if I hope for any kind of harvest.

Replanting is an option, but it also stands to reason that I'll still have the same issues in the end...I'll be using all the same stuff, meduim, nutes, water...and doesn't transplanting cause stress? If flushing will do the trick, I'd rather start with that.

I don't think they are rootbound, but I haven't tried to pull one up either, and there are no draining issues, if I pour in too much, it flows out the whole in the bottom readily, I've been only giving enough water to just come out the whole and then letting them dry out, obviously too much this last time. I don't think the root ball is sitting in old stale nute solution, they dry out and require watering about every 36-48hrs. At least that was what I was doing until this morning... 3pm sunday was the last watering, and 8am this moring I found WWD all dried out and wilting.

I guess they could be getting rootbound, maybe that's why they dried out quicker this time. More roots sucking up the water.

Nobody addressed the pH run off ?? What does the run off # tell me about how my plants are feeding? Anything useful?

Thanks guys, you're the best...

 

[420fied]

They aren't rootbound. Anyone who thinks they are has never grown in a 2 liter.