Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Corey,

I was pretty sure you were a one man show...

Just goes to show what perserverance and a passion for something can accomplish. Great job, please keep it up! Good luck on doubling those orders...I'm trying to help, I tell everyone I know to try BPN...


Sq

shmokesome,

one of the best products on the market.

I agree...and cost vs the competitors alone should make people willing to try it. and once they do I can't see why anybody would use something else. And that says nothing about the customer service. Thanks Corey for being such a great addition to 420mag.

yup me too im always telling other growers about bpn its an impressive line of products from a massively cool guy thats honest and really cares about his customers, he single-handedly restored my faith in the idea that a company still exists that cares about more than the bottom line in this industry, and try to stick it to us because of the crop we grow, i mean just look at the prices of nutes all over the web it gets crazier all the time, i saw a brand somewhere that was 1200 bux for a 2 part system they claimed double sized plants,yet the ingredients were the same as bpn ,An,gh, and it required twice as much per gallon! utterly vulgar,shameful and ruthless
thats why bpn has so many loyal customers the competition is aweful!!
sorry for the little rant sqwheels just wanted to chime in

 

[sqwheels]

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Rand away bid...I completely agree, greedy sob's, just stickin' it to us because they have a corner on the market. It's disgusting the way the all mighty dollar reigns supreme over everything else...even integrity. Crazy!!!

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Folks

Quick update...The rest of my prizes showed up this week. The RAW rolling papers are crazy big. It's gonna take some practice to use these effectively. The Cones are the strangest thing I've seen so far... but they work really well just make sure to pack them good. And the 420 nug jar is the perfect size for what's left of PE, man I'm bummed she's almost gone. I also got a little joint holder...looks kinda like a little silver torpedo with a keychain ring on one end, screws together at the center and has a seal so it's waterproof. Also from TNB I got 5 canisters of "the Enhancer" co2 bottles.

Great stuff...Thanks to our Sponsors for the wonderful prizes.

I don't know anything about co2...I'm gonna have to contact TNB about these canisters...they say they're for a 12x12 room. My rooms are both smaller than that...I don't want to use these if they are going to give us carbon monoxide poisoning because they are designed for a bigger space than I have. Should I worry? or is the amount of co2 dispersed not high enough to hurt us? These are things I want to know before I activate one of these. But they sound really simple ... just add water and shake once a day ... each lasts for 2 weeks. And the other thing...when is it most beneficial to the plants? During their entire life cycle or mostly in flowering?

Anybody experienced using these co2 canisters?

Any info you could give would be helpful!!



Sq

 

[Vapedogg223]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Folks

Quick update...The rest of my prizes showed up this week. The RAW rolling papers are crazy big. It's gonna take some practice to use these effectively. The Cones are the strangest thing I've seen so far... but they work really well just make sure to pack them good. And the 420 nug jar is the perfect size for what's left of PE, man I'm bummed she's almost gone. I also got a little joint holder...looks kinda like a little silver torpedo with a keychain ring on one end, screws together at the center and has a seal so it's waterproof. Also from TNB I got 5 canisters of "the Enhancer" co2 bottles.

Great stuff...Thanks to our Sponsors for the wonderful prizes.

I don't know anything about co2...I'm gonna have to contact TNB about these canisters...they say they're for a 12x12 room. My rooms are both smaller than that...I don't want to use these if they are going to give us carbon monoxide poisoning because they are designed for a bigger space than I have. Should I worry? or is the amount of co2 dispersed not high enough to hurt us? These are things I want to know before I activate one of these. But they sound really simple ... just add water and shake once a day ... each lasts for 2 weeks. And the other thing...when is it most beneficial to the plants? During their entire life cycle or mostly in flowering?

Anybody experienced using these co2 canisters?

Any info you could give would be helpful!!



Sq

Hey Swwheels!

CO₂ is most beneficial in the vegetative growth stage...when enriching CO₂ you usually want to cut it back at the latter stages of flowering or some strains don't want to finish. Cervantes reminds me that plants also need enough light and slightly higher temps to make use of additional CO₂.

I just got the enhancers myself...they say 1200 ppm in a 12x12x12 room. I'm guessing that's a sealed room though, and the plants are also using it to make oxygen. You don't have to worry about any poisoning, they only release CO2, which is not poisonous...no carbon monoxide.

I'll offer a little additional info as well, since I used to be an emergency medical technician, I know a little about Carbon monoxide (CO) poisoning. CO is produced by incomplete combustion of carbon fuels, and is dangerous because it's absorbed in the body easier than oxygen...it actually bonds to hemoglobin 240 times more tightly than oxygen, so a very small amount can become deadly very quickly. As little as 400 ppm can be life threatening in a few hours...double that to 800 ppm, and death will occur in 2 hours.

The only thing you might be concerned over with CO₂ would be that with high levels of it, you will have less oxygen, so too much, and it could become an asphyxiant. The federal (OSHA) safety limit for a healthy adult is 5000 ppm as an 8 hour time-weighted average, but in order for it to cause asphyxiation you'd have to get close to 100,000 ppm.

Anyway...that's all I got...time to vape!

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Vape,

Ok, so co2 is not carbon monoxide...but carbon dioxide, duh. I never claimed to be a chemist...sorry. Thanks Vape, you're always a wonderful source of info...used to be a emt? Where? I bet that was interesting...lots of stories, huh?

TNB emailed me back and said not to worry...I probably sounded like an idoit. Should have g**gl'd before I posted. I could have answered my own questions.

Thanks Vape...you're always looking out.


Sq

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style


Hi Folks

Weekly Update,

I'll start with the small veg room...the seedlings are showing some problems. They all have a few leaves with little brown spots on their leaves, it's mostly the older/bigger leaves.

I know I've dripped/splashed nutes on some of these leaves in the past, and at first I thought these spots were burn, but now I'm not sure what's causing this. These "spots" although similar, don't seem to have any real uniformity, I've been researching nute/ph problems *again*!!! (seems to be my nemesis) but a definate diagnosis eludes me. As always any suggestions are appreciated

Since starting with BPN 3 part Elite, the only thing different in the last couple months is I've stopped using a mix of ro and tap as my base water and gone to strickly using ro. I'm thinking they need cal/mg. It seems to me I've read most growers who use straight ro use cal/mg as a supplement. I don't have any, so I'm going back to ro/tap for a while to see if it makes any improvements.

Blueberry Gum...this is the plant that's struggling the most, imo. She had a rough start from seed, her main stem never grew properly from the beginning, and now all these spots.

brown spots at both the leaf stem and the tip

I think this is a splash spot, but can't be sure anymore

the new growth, tho small looks healthy considering her main stem has been weird from the start

Aurora Indica...Not nearly as many spots, but they are a little more uniform mostly on the tips/edges

the new growth along her branchs is a little light

I pinched the growing tip out last week and the new growth looks deformed and really yellow, I pinch this tip back one more node, I'll watch to see what happens over this week. But look at those 7 finger leaves, they look healthy

this one...not so healthy

White Rhino...she's suppose to be indica dominant, I don't know what's up with the stretch on this plant, it's out of control...I'm worried about flower and how much height she'll need. There is about 1-2" internodal space, she was ubt'd and only has 4 arms, so the bud sites are few and far between at this point. She doesn't have as many spots as the others, but there are some.

I've never had a plant stretch like this 'til now, I clipped her 2 longest branchs a few weeks ago...hoping for a little more bush out of her...no such luck with this one

far right...clipped tip with two new shoots, 2" to the next node

same with all the nodal shoots, they are so lanky. I have since tied all these paralell to the pot, we'll see what happens next

All three above were started from seed, they were left on the cable box 24+hrs too long, put into root riot cubes then into 4" pot with perl/verm mix. They seem to be suffering the most from whatever this is.

Blue Widow - top...this is the smallest plant of them all, but one of the healthiest. This and NLxBB started as clones in a cup of water then into same mix...all are currently being fed/watered every other day, on a feed/feed/feed/water/repeat schedule, with BPN - equal parts MGB 7.5m/g ro, 730-760ppm, 5.2pH, with no pH adjustments. I'll list the latest "out" numbers at the end of this update, but I don't think any of them are too excessive...don't know for sure, I'm still trying to make sense of it all.

after clipping a couple leaves

after some training

Northern Lights x Big Bud...this and BW were clipped/cloned/transplanted all at the same time

from a different angle, she's twice as big as BW

On to the bigger room...I had to move White Rhino, left front, to this room for space reasons. Back left corner and two in the center are Wonder Woman, right rear Blue Window, right front Northern Lights x Big Bud

Some individual shots...these girls are getting the same treatment as the others with the exception of frequency, the big pots take 3 days to dry out well...so it's every 3rd day for them. These bigger plants aren't showing any signs like the little ones...however I have found/pinched a few leaves like this

Wonder Woman bonsai...Even tho I chopped a bunch of her off last week, I can't even tell, this little plant never fails to amaze, she just grows and grows...I love her

another view

Northern Lights x Big Bud...this little plant has really bushed out, she doesn't fight the manipulations of bonsai like the BW

Blue Widow...sorry I didn't realize this pic was so fuzzy, the next one is better

and 2 Wonder Woman bonsai in training
WWa

WWb

Ok, yesterdays feeding... the 4" pots got a base ro/tap mix @ 107ppm, 8.2pH + MGB 7.5m/g = 837ppm 5.9pH, with plain ro these numbers would have been around 730-760ppm @ 5.1-5.3pH.

out numbers for each are as follows...

Blueberry Gum from seed... 1200 - 5.9
Aurora Indica from seed... 1140 - 5.8
White Rhino from seed... 1360 - 5.9
Blue Widow top... 913 - 5.9
Northern Lights x Big Bud clone... 948 - 5.9
small Wonder Woman a... 1230 - 5.8
small Wonder Woman b... 1150 - 5.9


Any ideas? Please speak up. Thanks for looking



Sq

 

[SurfBuddy]

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Hey Sqwheels, looks nice in the big tent! Sorry you're having issues with the little ones.. have you checked this out? :
Cannabis Plant and pest problem solver pictorial

There's a couple more in my blog that I've picked up around these forums. Nutrient Deficiency Poster and Nutrient Disorder Problem Solver

Looks like it could be phosphorous def? But since you're hydro, I would flush before doing any nute changes... since your ppm is coming out much higher, you may have salt buildup causing P lockout...
Perhaps another will chime in?

 

[Cultivator]

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hi it def cal deficiency. I had exactly the same problem wen using ro water. U have to add cal/mag. Most good feeds will have traces in but in diff amounts. Try cal/mag at half strength or try going back to half and half ro/tap water. looking nice apart from that.

 

[Heirloom]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Yep, agree with Cultivator. Even Corey has stated (to me at least) that if you're using RO you will likely need to add Cal/Mag.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

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i have a couple thoughts, it prolly is a cal mag thing, ro water has none, nutes are made with the idea that ppl will use tap ,tap has a lot of ca,mg, so yeah, now another possibility is light/heat stress, how are temps, do you have a them that will record max/min readings, sometimes when its all closed up it gets hotter than when you have it open, i had this problem, i thought it was cal/mag i added and made it worse, then i figured out it was spiking the temps up to 100 f when i was not around during the time of day i was not checking on them,, and i had a light burn there was a metal button thing focusing light and burning any plant in its aim, might want to check for anything like that.
looks like you got a sativa type pheno with the WR most hybrids can do that, maybe construct a scrog for it, or get medieval with your lst!
good luck with your stuff i know you will figure it out

 

[Mr. Krip]

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Everything said about needing to add cal/mag to R/O is correct, but I have to agree with BID on this one. I believe it looks more like heat stress, or possibly it was underwatered and got a little dried out. The plants all look great though, Sqwheels!

 

[sqwheels]

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Hi all...Sorry for my slow response...last week was a busy one.


SB ... Ya I've looked at those pages you suggested...I have a few saved to my sig also...and some in my fav's. I really think it was the straight ro...they needed some cal. Luckily my tap water is high in cal ... it helped. Thanks for the suggestions...much appreciated.


Cultivator ... Yep, agreed.


Heirloom ... Ya, Corey mentioned that early on to me also...I've just gone back to using a ro/tap mix for my base water.


bid ... actually for the last couple weeks the temps have been lower, in the upper 70's and low/mid 80's, 50's at night. Currently my day/night temps are 83-85/78-80...it hasn't been cooling at night as much as I'd like but several weeks back it was 90/85 in there, funny thing is... they didn't look like they were suffering back then. I'm home most of the time and open the doors if it gets too hot in there, try to equalize the whole house kinda, and we did buy a small ac unit this year. a first for me...I've never had ac in any house I've lived in. Lights aren't too hot, I don't think...I'm only using 4 x 23w cfl's in the big room and 2 in the small room, and the room is lined with foam board, I don't think there are any *hot spots* like you mentioned with the metal button.

I'm 90% sure they needed more cal/mg...I've used ro/tap mix for a week now and they look better...I'll keep doing this for now and watch them close. Another week and I'll know for sure.


Mr.K ... I think it's the cal/mg, not heat. But the temps are going up again, by the end of the week we'll be back in the 90's, if it comes back I'll know, but after a week of using ro/tap mix they look better. The old/bad leaves haven't improved but the new growth looks healthier... happier.

Update shortly, Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions

Sq

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Folks

Time for another weekly update...

Small vegging/clones room... Aurora Indica, Blueberry Gum, White Rhino (is in the big room...for space reasons), Blue Widow, Northern Lights x Big Bud and a Blueberry Gum clone clipped on 8/3

It looks like Aurora Indica was the worst affected by the lack of cal/mg

opposite side

Blueberry Gum...she doesn't have as many bad leaves as AI but she still has some weird twisted leaves

she got lots of new growth along her branchs after I clipped her growing tips that all looks healthy

but her main stalk is still growing weird, notice the twisted deformed leaf in the background

those last two nodes are soo close

White Rhino...sativa pheno is probably the right call on this girl, she is long and lanky for sure. I've had to clip her tips again because of size. She's only gonna have a few bud sites at this point. I sure hope she's good or it will be a lot of wasted space to flower her out. She seems to be the least affected of all the seedlings by the lack of cal/mg with only a few brown spots on her leaves

after some training

see how few and far between the nodes are...she's gonna be a light weight I'm afraid

Blue Widow top...after accidently breaking her growing tips several times she's looking quite bushy

but the queen of the clones is definately the Northern Lights x Big Bud...she's surpassed all the others by leaps and bounds

I clipped this Blueberry Gum clone on 8-3...checked for signs of roots every couple days for nearly 2 weeks, and nothing happened (like waiting for water to boil) I got bored/tired of waiting/watching about day 14 and stopped checking so I don't know exactly when they popped

but once they did, they grew quickly because it's only been about 3 days since I last looked...I was surprised to find them this long

she's a little dusty from the transplant and she has one leaf with a blemish...damage from the cup I think...but she looks good for 17 days after clipping, I gave her a diluted nute drink to water her in good...we'll see what happens. I hope she grows better than her seedling donor

In the big room...Wonder Woman, Blue Widow, Northern Lights x Big Bud

Wonder Woman bonsai...she's a monster now, growing out of control. I can't even tell I pruned her hard, actually twice in the last couple of weeks...I was looking at her this morning and she needs it again...badly. This side was toward the light

turned slightly to the side

opposite side...I have to turn them daily so the light gets to all sides, it's so cool how they lean to the light

I'm gonna have to trim all that off again...what a shame I have limited numbers, it makes me wanna cry to throw all that into the trash

Northern Lights x Big Bud...she's also bushed right out, her growth patterns are very similar to Wonder Woman, I can tell I'm gonna have to trim her up a couple times before flower too, they are just getting too big for my space and lifting abilities...I have to be able to deal with them once they flower and really start putting on weight

Blue Widow...I've broken and trimmed out a few of her bigger branchs along the way...she's not nearly as full as the NLxBB, but she looks healthy and is growing nicely, minimal trimming on this one I think for maximum weight

and 2 smaller Wonder Woman bonsai in training
WWa

WWb

This last week was full of mixing ro/tap and flushing all the girls...the bigger more mature plants didn't seem to be as affected as the seedlings by the dreaded brown spots, I'm pretty sure at this point it was a lack of cal/mg, I'm not going to buy "cal/mg" for supplement...my tap water is high in both so I'll just go back to mixing a base water of ro/tap for now and watch them closely for a while.

After flushing the "out" numbers are down in a better range...around 800-900 and pH is 5.7-6.0 for all. I'm pretty sure the crisis has been averted

I'm considering a change in their feed schedule...currently it's been feed/feed/feed/water/repeat...I think for a while I'm going to change that to feed/feed/water/repeat, just to keep the excesses from building up...and Corey suggested a monthly flush just for good measure. Sounds like good advice to me...the man knows his stuff.

Thanks to all my fellow members for all the suggestions/advice. It's always appreciated.

That's it for this weeks update, thanks for looking



Sq

 

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

defo looking better, in the recent pics im seeing difinitive cal/mag symptoms easy solve with tap water, glad you got it sorted

 

[Buckshot]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I am wondering if that is not blight ... do you have tomato plants? do a google "image" search for blight

 

[SurfBuddy]

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Looking good, your veg room makes me want more space!

 

[Mr. Krip]

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defo looking better, in the recent pics im seeing difinitive cal/mag symptoms easy solve with tap water, glad you got it sorted

LOL...I agree again!

That pic of the Aurora Indica definately looks like Cal-Mag. The previous pics, to me, looked like heat stress or a fan blowing on them too hard.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

bid ... yep, I'm pretty sure they are improving...it's only been 1 week but I've been watching close and I don't see anymore turning leaves, no new *bad* spots that I can find.

Buckshot ... I looked up photos and a couple diagnosis pages for blight...I don't think that's what's wrong, the symtoms described don't line up, and the photos look way more extreme than the damage I see on these plants.

Surfbuddy ... thanks...I think it's gonna be ok now.

If I moved these to the floor, I'd have a little more space, but it would be much harder for me to work with them. I sit them on a board that's sitting on upside down 5 gallon buckets, they are about knee level.

How big is your room? I've seen some awesome vertical grows here...have you considered that?



Sq

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Mr.K,

My fan is quite close and they are blowing pretty good...but I've had that same setup for over a year now...I don't think that's an issue.

The ro/tap mix is gonna fix my issue I'm sure. It's really the only thing I've changed.

 

[Cultivator]

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reverting back to half ro/half tap water is a good idea. just out of interest why do u grow with ro water anyway? tap water with chlorine bubbled out works better in my opinion unless u have really hard water.