Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

[Cultivator]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

hey sqwheels

how is ur cal def?

Is this what ur leaf looks like?

this was my big bang grown in coco coir with ro water. As soon as i reverted to tap water the prob went away. Didnt even need to use cal/mag. Tap water is def beneficial to plants so long as chlorine is bubbled out. I get much healthier plants using tap water. Ofcourse the water may be diff where u live. Mine is about 300ppm

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Cultivator,

ya, that's what I think too...the ro/tap mix is better. My plants already look happier. My tap is really hard 300ppm 8.9-9.2pH. I mix 1/4 tap with 3/4 ro...comes out 80-100ppm and close to neutral pH. When using this mix + BPN the end result of my mixed nutes is 5.7. No adjusting needed.


a couple pics of the worse plant Aurora Indica

 

[Blue Planet Nutrients]

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I am not sure about the problems you are having. The 3 part Micro has 5% calcium in it which is more than enough. The 2 part had much less calcium but I jacked it up to 4% recently which is the highest I could go on that product. Calmag is helpful sometimes but not always necessary. I have grown with just the 3 part as a base in RO water many many times with nothing else added and never saw any deficiencies at all. Most calmag has some nitrogen and chealated iron in it and that helps with those deficiencies as well.

I am curious SQ, have you ever thought about setting up just 1 bubble bucket, throwing an airstone in it and putting a clone in it to see how it does? I am interested how it would grow in your room if you only used the 3 part and nothing else with no pH adjustment, except a res change once a week. It would be a very simple experiment. A bubble bucket eliminates watering and can provide insight into your feeding program with your other plants.

 

[Cultivator]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I like the idea of the bubble bucket too. 1 would be easy to manage and results are great from bubblers.

 

[Buckshot]

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Sqwheels

It would not hurt or change the end result to try a folier sulpher product ... just in case (does stink briefly)

 

[SurfBuddy]

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Surfbuddy ... thanks...I think it's gonna be ok now.

If I moved these to the floor, I'd have a little more space, but it would be much harder for me to work with them. I sit them on a board that's sitting on upside down 5 gallon buckets, they are about knee level.

How big is your room? I've seen some awesome vertical grows here...have you considered that?



Sq

Glad you got it sorted out Seemed like you knew it already tho... I've got a closet that is 2x8, with a 2x4x5 tent on one side and veg on the other side of the closet, but you just reminded me what I was going to do on that side
Thanks!

 

[Blue Planet Nutrients]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Bubble buckets are awesome. The roots sit in aerated water and have unlimited access to nutrients.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I am not sure about the problems you are having. The 3 part Micro has 5% calcium in it which is more than enough. The 2 part had much less calcium but I jacked it up to 4% recently which is the highest I could go on that product. Calmag is helpful sometimes but not always necessary. I have grown with just the 3 part as a base in RO water many many times with nothing else added and never saw any deficiencies at all. Most calmag has some nitrogen and chealated iron in it and that helps with those deficiencies as well.

I am curious SQ, have you ever thought about setting up just 1 bubble bucket, throwing an airstone in it and putting a clone in it to see how it does? I am interested how it would grow in your room if you only used the 3 part and nothing else with no pH adjustment, except a res change once a week. It would be a very simple experiment. A bubble bucket eliminates watering and can provide insight into your feeding program with your other plants.

Hi Corey,

I don't know what to say about my water problems...I just knew there was something missing, the girls where trying to tell me...and the only thing different was that I went to using straight ro when I got the BPN 3 part. I figured it was the simplest thing to test first...go back to ro/tap and see what happened...and it seems to have done the trick. They really look better now. It's kind of hard to tell in the pics but I can definately see it. The AI's new growth is abundant and beautiful. BbG is still a little weird, but I'm almost sure that's got something to do with the genetics or the way I popped her. bid told me his liked pH around 5.5, I'm assuming this is the "out" numbers, but I can't seem to get it that low no matter what I try. At last feeding they all were around 5.7-6.3 out. This using ro/tap + BPN.

Not sure what a "bubble bucket" is... but, No, I don't really want to do a bucket. It's a lot more than I think I can handle alone. I don't have any real environmental control. I think I'd have all kinds of problems trying to keep the res water at a good temp. Hauling water for res fills and changes. And I'm not a chemist, even by the longest stretch of the word. And if it's in a bucket full of water how would I be able to pull that plant out of the room for trimming and training? Sorry, I'm trying to work this out in my head as I'm typing this...I don't know, I'll have to do a little research on it. I don't want to just dismiss the idea, but I don't think it's for me.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I like the idea of the bubble bucket too. 1 would be easy to manage and results are great from bubblers.

"results" ??

 

[sqwheels]

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Sqwheels

It would not hurt or change the end result to try a folier sulpher product ... just in case (does stink briefly)

"sulpher product" for what? I'm missing something...do you mean like epsom? mag/sulfate? I've used it in the past...didn't notice any smell.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Glad you got it sorted out Seemed like you knew it already tho... I've got a closet that is 2x8, with a 2x4x5 tent on one side and veg on the other side of the closet, but you just reminded me what I was going to do on that side
Thanks!

Hi SB,

It was a guess, seemed a logical first step, I just changed back the only thing I had changed...did that make sense?

so you flower in your tent? and it's 5' tall? and the veg side is the entire rest of the closet? 2x4x8? Sorry, I'm trying to get a mental pic...did you catch my comment about the vertical grows? What did I remind you of?

I'll visit your journal and see what you've got going on...

 

[Cultivator]

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Hi Corey,

I don't know what to say about my water problems...I just knew there was something missing, the girls where trying to tell me...and the only thing different was that I went to using straight ro when I got the BPN 3 part. I figured it was the simplest thing to test first...go back to ro/tap and see what happened...and it seems to have done the trick. They really look better now. It's kind of hard to tell in the pics but I can definately see it. The AI's new growth is abundant and beautiful. BbG is still a little weird, but I'm almost sure that's got something to do with the genetics or the way I popped her. bid told me his liked pH around 5.5, I'm assuming this is the "out" numbers, but I can't seem to get it that low no matter what I try. At last feeding they all were around 5.7-6.3 out. This using ro/tap + BPN.

Not sure what a "bubble bucket" is... but, No, I don't really want to do a bucket. It's a lot more than I think I can handle alone. I don't have any real environmental control. I think I'd have all kinds of problems trying to keep the res water at a good temp. Hauling water for res fills and changes. And I'm not a chemist, even by the longest stretch of the word. And if it's in a bucket full of water how would I be able to pull that plant out of the room for trimming and training? Sorry, I'm trying to work this out in my head as I'm typing this...I don't know, I'll have to do a little research on it. I don't want to just dismiss the idea, but I don't think it's for me.

Hey sqwheels

I know u are focusing on ur current grow but u should look into bubble buckets. If u can grow in perlite successfully u can defgrow in bucket. They are actually very simple to use and to trim u just lift out the net pot which weighs no more than ur 2litre hempy. To fill bucket use a hose and to drain use a pump. Sounds more than it actually is. Here is a couple pics, i hope u dont mind me showing u on here?

this is 5days into 12/12 after 3.5 weeks veg

Roots sitting in nutrient solution and airated with single airstone

air pump

Small hole for adding nutes, checking ppm, ph and temps. Lining pots with white mylar keeps temps stable.

Like i said i know u have ur grow style. There are some advantages of growing this way though. res change once per week and is only at 10litres a time (21litre pot). Yield is improved over just about all other tecnique, plant for plant. They look after themselves, all that is required is a ph check now and again. Little need to train, maybe top a couple times. Growth is so explosive training is unnecessary. Just food for thought.........

 

[sqwheels]

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Hi Cultivator,

Don't mind at all...thanks for sharing, definately something to chew on ...

I spent most of the afternoon looking at videos on different kinds of bucket grows. About a year ago, before I started growing I thought I wanted an aeroponics system, practically had the whole thing built on paper, with a shopping list and all, but...the whole res changes and water/leaks and temp regulations steered me away back then. It just seems like a lot of *stuff* I really try to keep a limit on the amount of stuff needed for growing. If that makes sense. KISS is for me!!!

 

[Cultivator]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

makes sense to me....... everyone is comfortable doing things simple. Guess its just food for thought if u ever feel like a change

 

[Blue Planet Nutrients]

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Hey sq, the only reason I mentioned bubble buckets is because it it my favorite way to grow I rarely ever do anything else. I want to clarify an earlier point that I made about using Calmag. I have found that I NEVER need CalMag when using RO in bubble buckets. That being said, I find it very helpful to use a calmag formula when growing in soil.

 

[Cultivator]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hey sq, the only reason I mentioned bubble buckets is because it it my favorite way to grow I rarely ever do anything else. I want to clarify an earlier point that I made about using Calmag. I have found that I NEVER need CalMag when using RO in bubble buckets. That being said, I find it very helpful to use a calmag formula when growing in soil.

Really? how come? Is it just the way ur nutes are developed dif for soil or hydro? Surely if u need to use it in perlite u would need to use it in bubble pots as they are both hydro.

 

[Vapedogg223]

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Hey sq, the only reason I mentioned bubble buckets is because it it my favorite way to grow I rarely ever do anything else. I want to clarify an earlier point that I made about using Calmag. I have found that I NEVER need CalMag when using RO in bubble buckets. That being said, I find it very helpful to use a calmag formula when growing in soil.

Really? how come? Is it just the way ur nutes are developed dif for soil or hydro? Surely if u need to use it in perlite u would need to use it in bubble pots as they are both hydro.

If I took a guess, I'd say maybe the beneficial microorganisms in the soil...you'd be surprised how quickly the beneficials can use up the calcium and other minerals.

 

[Cultivator]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

If I took a guess, I'd say maybe the beneficial microorganisms in the soil...you'd be surprised how quickly the beneficials can use up the calcium and other minerals.

i undrstand that mate but i talking the dif between perlite and dwc? both are the same except the roots are constantly in nutes with dwc. in otherwords both have inert media so roots take up what is given by whomever makes the concoction. i'd of thought if it works dwc it works perlite.

 

[Blue Planet Nutrients]

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When I grow in soil, I use a custom organic mix. That mix is rich in N,P,K but a little deficient in Calcium. Because my plants are getting a lot of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium from the soil, I don't feed as much. Therefore, I sometimes see a little Ca or Mg deficiency which is easily fixed with epsom salts if I only see Mg or CalMag if I see any Ca or Mg deficiency. The 3 part has more than enough Ca and Mg but since I am not feeding as much due to the nutrients already in the soil, they don't get what they need all the time. When I use bubble buckets, the plant roots are always in the 3 part which is changed once a week. The roots are never in need of anything because they always have exactly what they need in a highly oxygenated environment.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I sometimes see a little Ca or Mg deficiency which is easily fixed with epsom salts if I only see Mg or CalMag if I see any Ca or Mg deficiency.[QUOTE/]


I still find it difficult to know which nute is missing...I'm hoping the longer I grow the easier that becomes. For now, I really think going back to a ro/tap mix has helped them...for whatever reason they weren't getting enough with straight ro. Could it be because of my current feeding schedule...every other day, feed/feed/water. maybe there's not a constant enough amount of nutes, like they aren't sitting in a dwc bucket and dry out quickly? Or could it be something to do with the seeds? The worse affected were the seedlings. The older girls and the clones didn't suffer as badly. But all seem much happier with the ro/tap mix.

I really appreciate all the info and suggestions from everyone...thanks

Update in a bit



Sq