Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

[Xlr8]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I've done some research... Spinosad, apparently is an organic spray that will kill them. They have a short life span and I should treat every couple days for at least a week. Monterey Organic Garden Spray was recommended...Only problem...I can't find this spray in town, only online.

I won stuff from SNS that says it'll kill thrip, but it also kills a bunch of other stuff...and doesn't have spinosad in it...I don't want to over treat, (does that make sense) with a harsh chemical if I don't have to.

Off to research a little more...thanks for looking

Damn, what a bummer to have to deal with those buggers.

The SNS is organic, and really safe compared to most treatments. It works, and I wouldn't hesitate at all to use it. Azamax is another product that works well. I don't think ive used anything with spinosad, so I can't speak to that.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi X,

Damn, how is it I end up with bugs all the time? I try to be extremely careful around my garden...no pets, no outside/then inside, no visitors. How did I get these?

Thanks for the info about SNS---

I have both SNS203 Concentrated Natural Pesticide Soil Drench/Spray. Kills/repels Fungus Gnats, Root Aphids, Thrips, Shore Flies and White Flies. This one is for foliar spray and medium drench.

and SNS209 All Natural Systemic Pest Control. Repels Spider Mites, White Flies, Fungus Gnats and Thrips-- This one sounds more like a medium flush that gets taken up by the roots and distributed internally

Trying to learn a little more about their life cycle... They must be in the larvae stage, I see they eventually get wings. I've found little black specs too...their poop *urg*

I don't know for sure how extensive this is yet, I can't believe I didn't notice them before... if I have to I'll trash the worst ones and start over. I don't want to flower these girls with bugs on them.

Man I've got the heebie jeebies now...I hate bugs, especially the ones you can barely see.

Sq








Not sure which one I should try first...

 

[Heirloom]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I would hit them with the foliar first. It is quickest to get to the pest. Monitor daily for a week, then if needed drench. I personally don't want to do root uptake unless really necessary. My 2 cents. I have a little battle going on with them as well.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Heirloom,

All 2 cents welcome...thanks

Ok, here's what I've learned about the thrip

info taken from different web sites that I've searched today...they are most active at high noon. So, I feel like that's when I would have the greatest chance of killing them outright with a foliar spray. But other articles on the web said NOT to spray under grow lights, any sprays containing oils, and that the plants should have a cool off period before spraying, another said something about feeding or spraying (I don't remember which now) first with ca/mg to keep the leaves from soaking up chemical in the spray.

This pic from Cornell University shows their life cycle

I think I'm gonna email our Sponsor and find out what they say about my specifics...after all they are the people who created this mix of stuff... they must know a lot about this particular pest and how it's cycle works and the best way to use their product to kill them.

Sounds like a plan ... back later, if anybody else has experience with SNS products and thrips, please give your 2 cents

Thanks

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I have to talk this thru a little bit...

1/2 of me (the manic half) is running around jumping up and down screaming OH NO!!! BUGS!!! DO SOMETHING...NOW!!! The other 1/2 (the calmer, more analytical half) says slow down and do it right the first time.

The 209 is basically a medium drench
the 209 says to "drench area thoroughly to contact as much of the root area as possible. Allow mixure to flow through completely. For best results use on a 2 to 4 day schedule. The roots will absorb the SNS 209 mixture and apply it throughout the plant creating a pest barrier. When you notice insects starting to avoid your plant you may discontinue use."

Mix 2ml SNS209 per one liter of water. Mix well until solution has a light brown tint with little foam on top. Mixed solution may be stored or used immediately. For best results use warm (70 degree) Distilled or "chlorine free" water.

Is my math right? 7.58ml/gallon
Should I add this to their feed/water? Or give as a separate drench?
Will RO work the same as distilled? I know it's chlorine free.
If I mix with their feed...What's this going to do to pH?


The 203 is a Soil Drench/Foliage Spray
the 203 says "Test drench/spray for Phytotoxicity" (had to look this term up, basically poisoning) "on a small area of the soil or plant before use. Do not apply in direct sunlight or under grow lights, let plants cool off before applying SNS203. Do not spray on buds or flowers."

I get a test spray, but how does one test drench a small area? seems a contradiction in terms.
Thrips are most active at mid day, that's when a foliar spray would be most effective...I should pull them all out and let them cool *how long?* before spray and then dry "how long?" before putting them back under the lights?

Soil Drench: Mix 2-4oz (56-112ml) SNS203 per gallon of water for ready to use (RTU) drench solution. Thoroughly drench affected and surrounding area with RTU. Reapply drench if neccessary.

Foliar Spray: Mix 2-6oz (56-168ml) per gallon of water to make RTU spray solution. Spray foliage until wet. Repeat application 5-7 day intervals or as needed. Thorough uniform coverage of plant soil or plant surfaces is essential for good pest control.

The effected areas seems to be mostly on the bigger fan leaves...Should I remove the worse ones?
I found out they lay 150-300 eggs...Do they lay these in a cluster or randomly?

I've read so much stuff today, my brain is fried...I need a toke and a good nights sleep to process this. I could be overthinking this but some of these ???'s seem valid.

Any help from my fellow growers is much appreciated... Thanks so much


Sq

 

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

you might be overthinking it a bit, i know thrips are nasty and can shred plants practically overnight if they get a foothold, i would not worry about it too much your lights are not big hps or mh right now right? if it were my call i would dot the drench and spray right after lights out or turn the lights out and do it, or at noon do it with the lights out , but thats just me, i freak out when i get bugs, its like the after rape scene in a movie ! after i do the sprays etc im in the shower clawing at my skin for hours sobbing asking god to kill the evil bugs! lol my mind messes with me big time, i hope you kick their bug asses!!!

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi bid,

ya, I'm a little freaked...I hate bugs too. Fortunately they aren't very bad...I don't think. I've spent the last 3-1/2 hrs...I pulled them all out, sprayed them all good and wet, top and bottom, even the medium got a good spray. They are wet still from the transplants, so I didn't drench them. I only saw a few (8-12) actual bugs, but I small spots of their damage/poop on several of the plants. White Rhino was the worse one...I pinched off several leaves with damage.

I'll keep a closer eye on them and retreat in a couple days. These little bugs are harder to see than the dreaded mites...they are white and blend in better than the dark spots of mites. imo. I need a bigger magnifying glass

I still want to get answers to the ???'s I posed on the previous page...especially about watering/drenching. I only water every other/third day or so...If I drench and repeat in 2-4 day intervals like the label says and I don't include it in their feed...when will I feed?

Sq

 

[Xlr8]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

I have to talk this thru a little bit...

1/2 of me (the manic half) is running around jumping up and down screaming OH NO!!! BUGS!!! DO SOMETHING...NOW!!! The other 1/2 (the calmer, more analytical half) says slow down and do it right the first time.

The 209 is basically a medium drench
the 209 says to "drench area thoroughly to contact as much of the root area as possible. Allow mixure to flow through completely. For best results use on a 2 to 4 day schedule. The roots will absorb the SNS 209 mixture and apply it throughout the plant creating a pest barrier. When you notice insects starting to avoid your plant you may discontinue use."

Mix 2ml SNS209 per one liter of water. Mix well until solution has a light brown tint with little foam on top. Mixed solution may be stored or used immediately. For best results use warm (70 degree) Distilled or "chlorine free" water.

Is my math right? 7.58ml/gallon
Should I add this to their feed/water? Or give as a separate drench?
Will RO work the same as distilled? I know it's chlorine free.
If I mix with their feed...What's this going to do to pH?


The 203 is a Soil Drench/Foliage Spray
the 203 says "Test drench/spray for Phytotoxicity" (had to look this term up, basically poisoning) "on a small area of the soil or plant before use. Do not apply in direct sunlight or under grow lights, let plants cool off before applying SNS203. Do not spray on buds or flowers."

I get a test spray, but how does one test drench a small area? seems a contradiction in terms.
Thrips are most active at mid day, that's when a foliar spray would be most effective...I should pull them all out and let them cool *how long?* before spray and then dry "how long?" before putting them back under the lights?

Soil Drench: Mix 2-4oz (56-112ml) SNS203 per gallon of water for ready to use (RTU) drench solution. Thoroughly drench affected and surrounding area with RTU. Reapply drench if neccessary.

Foliar Spray: Mix 2-6oz (56-168ml) per gallon of water to make RTU spray solution. Spray foliage until wet. Repeat application 5-7 day intervals or as needed. Thorough uniform coverage of plant soil or plant surfaces is essential for good pest control.

The effected areas seems to be mostly on the bigger fan leaves...Should I remove the worse ones?
I found out they lay 150-300 eggs...Do they lay these in a cluster or randomly?

I've read so much stuff today, my brain is fried...I need a toke and a good nights sleep to process this. I could be overthinking this but some of these ???'s seem valid.

Any help from my fellow growers is much appreciated... Thanks so much


Sq

It'll be okay. Don't panic. Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean....

Here's what I'd do -- and what I've done. I had thrips a couple of grows ago, and knocked them out quick. If the SNS products don't work for some reason (I think they will) buy Azamax, which is another organic and very well documented successful way to combat bugs. I love the SNS 203 and Azamax both - and both have worked for me.

209 is a preventative. Save it for once you get them beat. Then, add it to your nutrient regime for a few weeks to give the plants a natural defense of their own and help prevent a repeat performance so to speak.

203 is your weapon right now. Personally? I'd use it as a drench, and a foliar, and at the same time. It's pretty mild and not toxic -- made of natural plant oils and extracts. I'd make sure you DRENCH the medium. Think flooding the medium. I would remove the worst leaves as long as it doesn't mean stripping the plant completely. I would also spray them until the leaves are dripping with the spray. Make sure you spray the undersides of the leaves good. If you are using high-intensity lights like MH or HPS bulbs, back them off or turn them down - even just raising them a foot would be fine. What I do, is I put a flourescent light fixture on them temporarily until the leaves dry. Your plants might look pretty rough after you spray them, but they will bounce back with a vigor just from the relief they get from the bugs getting whacked. You'll be amazed at how much relief they experience once you knock the bugs off of them.

Don't worry about the time of day, or how they lay their eggs. You are going nuclear (organically speaking) anyway. Again, just back off the lights somehow.

One last thing, follow their directions. I tried some drenches closer together than they recommend, and ended up with an oily coating on the roots that caused some temporary stress (I believe that was with Azamax though). All plants lived and did fine, but don't do more frequent drenches than they recommend, IMO.



calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean...

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi X,

Thank you so much...calm blue ocean (nice visual) I'm better now

Yep, I came to the same conclusion about the SNS203 vs SNS209...

I did a foliar spray, SNS203, really good...wet both tops and bottoms of leaves until it was dripping off, just like I did when I was fighting mites. However I did not do a medium drench because they were just transplanted and still very moist from that. But I did spray the top of the medium, wet. I'm not sure how far these bugs may burrow into the ground tho so it may not have been enough.

I just switched the bigger room to the 400w MH last Sunday...so, yesterday I pulled them all out as soon as the lights came on and started inspecting...then sprayed...let them dry, completely...then put them back under the lights. It all took me about 3-1/2 hrs. They are all on a different watering schedule right now...since transplant...haven't gotten it quite worked out yet as they dry out a little different after a repot and watering in. I watched closely all day yesterday and only found 1 more bug.

How bad were your bugs? How hard is it to get rid of these? Like...how many times did you treat, for how long?

Thanks for the first hand info, and the calming words of wisdom...

Sq

 

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

sounds like you have it worked out! thank goodness!! die lil'bastards die!!! bugs upset me more than any other plant issue by far! funny thing is in general i like non parasite bugs i dont kill spiders i catch n release! but things like fleas,scabies,mites freak me out im itching just typing this lol ,when i was fighting mites i just added the treatments in between regular feedings ,adding an extra "watering" does not seem an issue to me in non soil mediums i think you'll be fine good job keeping your cool "in the fight" + reps

 

[Buckshot]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Sqwheels

check into predatory nematodes ... I got 1,000,000 from my urban garden center they work great! ... just don't screw up like I did and treat all your plants ... I forgot one and now I have to treat again, dang!!

It is really easy and pretty cheap with no chemicals

edit - did some homework predatory nematodes won't work on those buggers because they don't use soil like gnats (I had fungus gnats) ... sorry for the mis-information

wikipedia on Thrips

"Thysanoptera is divided into two suborders: Terebrantia, and Tubulifera. These two suborders can be distinguished by morphological, behavioral, and developmental characteristics. Members of Tubulifera can be identified by their characteristic tube-shaped apical abdominal segment, egg-laying atop the surface of leaves, and three "pupal" stages. Females of the eight families of the Terebrantia all possess the eponymous saw-like ovipositor on the anteapical abdominal segment, lay eggs singly within plant tissue, and have two "pupal" stages."

 

[Heirloom]

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Azamax kicked the crap outta my thrips. As soon as I ID'd the leaves with the tracks and the black spots I hosed all my plants with Aza. Every other day for a week. I'm pretty sure there are no thrips in a 5 mile radius of me.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi bid... Exactly...DIE!!! you nasty lil' bugs...I don't want you on my plants. I haven't had any bugs for over a year now...I don't know where these suckers came from. But they are getting evicted! I usually catch and release too...I don't kill unless it's in my shower...that's where I draw the line. Treatments will be given just like that...I don't know any other way. I did end up drenching and respraying the ones in the big room, this w/e...they all had small signs of damage and I didn't want to take a chance of them getting a hold in there. The little room doesn't seem to have them...I only sprayed those girls. I've been inspecting with my magnifying glass every few hours for three days now.


Buckshot... thanks for the additional info. these things are so small, I don't know if I can tell the differences between them ... do you know if you have to treat differently to kill them?

wikipedia on Thrips

"Thysanoptera is divided into two suborders: Terebrantia, and Tubulifera. These two suborders can be distinguished by morphological, behavioral, and developmental characteristics. Members of Tubulifera can be identified by their characteristic tube-shaped apical abdominal segment, egg-laying atop the surface of leaves, and three "pupal" stages. Females of the eight families of the Terebrantia all possess the eponymous saw-like ovipositor on the anteapical abdominal segment, lay eggs singly within plant tissue, and have two "pupal" stages."


Heirloom... I'll get some if the SNS doesn't do the trick. Thanks for the input...every little bit helps me become a better grower...much appreciated.



Sq

 

[Xlr8]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi X,

Thank you so much...calm blue ocean (nice visual) I'm better now

Yep, I came to the same conclusion about the SNS203 vs SNS209...

I did a foliar spray, SNS203, really good...wet both tops and bottoms of leaves until it was dripping off, just like I did when I was fighting mites. However I did not do a medium drench because they were just transplanted and still very moist from that. But I did spray the top of the medium, wet. I'm not sure how far these bugs may burrow into the ground tho so it may not have been enough.

I just switched the bigger room to the 400w MH last Sunday...so, yesterday I pulled them all out as soon as the lights came on and started inspecting...then sprayed...let them dry, completely...then put them back under the lights. It all took me about 3-1/2 hrs. They are all on a different watering schedule right now...since transplant...haven't gotten it quite worked out yet as they dry out a little different after a repot and watering in. I watched closely all day yesterday and only found 1 more bug.

How bad were your bugs? How hard is it to get rid of these? Like...how many times did you treat, for how long?

Thanks for the first hand info, and the calming words of wisdom...

Sq

Your questions on the SNS 203 vs. 209 were good - I had the same ones. I called the company and spoke to them at length to make sure I understood what their intent was for using them, etc. But I had the same questions.

When I had thrips, I don't think I ever had anything severe. I never saw them again after the first treatment, but I did a total of 2 treatments about 7 days apart I think. Since then, I've also had to battle both fungus gnats and root aphids. Fungus gnats aren't too bad to get rid of, but the root aphids are a nightmare. Fortunately, I was able to win those battles, too. Though, I realize now that if I'm constantly gardening, I need to have preventative measures in place. We have a dog, and he brings bugs in the house I'm sure.

Also, if you do this long enough, and you have bugs outside where you live... they're going to get in once in a while. I felt like I was SO careful, clean... yada yada. But, they're small, determined, and will find a way to your garden once in a while. Believe me, if it can happen to me (Mr. OCD), I'm thinking it can happen to anyone!

For that reason I now put a lot of energy into prevention.

Tips for ongoing pest prevention:

• I spray the perimeter of the grow room periodically with "Home Defense Max", which does seem to create a barrier they don't like to cross, at least on the ground.

• I also put a "mosquito dunk" in my water reservoirs. These are non-toxic and safe for birds, fish, plants, people, pets, etc. However, it kills fungus gnat larvae, and will eventually wipe them out. Fungus gnats

• I keep a Hot Shot "No Pests" strip in the grow room. It releases and odorless vapor that bugs hate. It's supposed to be safe for humans as long as you aren't in the room for more than 3 hours a day. I've heard that it's especially good at keeping spider mites away, and I can say that I never find live bugs in the grow room since starting to use it, but I've found dead ones near it.

• I use Silica as an additive with my nutrients. It makes plants sturdier, more resistant to heat, and bugs hate it. I also use a product called "Zone" by Dutch Masters. It's primarily a fungicide, but it's also supposed to discourage pests to some degree.

• I sprinkle a little diatomaceous earth on the floor of the tent. It's soft fluffy white safe, powder to humans, but it cuts bugs up like razors and dehydrates them to crispiness. Mwuah, ah ah. Diatomaceous earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Make sure there is no standing water exposed... anywhere. Consider pooring bleach down any nearby drains when you are treating/spraying for bugs. Fungus gnats, for example, can breed in a thimble-full of water. Don't over-water plants or leave standing water in your plants or run-off trays. Again, mosquito dunks in any water reservoirs.

• Lastly, on my last grow I used Sierra Natural Sciences "SNS 209" as part of my nutrient program for a few weeks. It contains natural plant oils, and it's supposed to make the plants start to be unappealing to pests - you're giving them another tool to defend themselves with. (I'm skipping it this round, as I appear to have pests controlled at the moment).

Important note: I owe a good part of this preventative knowledge to other growers here. Mr Smith (mosquito dunks, bleach in drains, no pest strips), Bassman (Home Defense Max) and Jandre2k3 (Diatemaceous earth), just to name a few. They may be good sources for questions on bug battling too - it happens if you grow long enough. Even if you are really careful!

 

[Blue Planet Nutrients]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

XLR8, thanks for sharing your knowledge....priceless...

 

[Mr. Krip]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hey...you have 420 likes in your journal right now!

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi X...wow, thanks, all excellent ideas...

and of course I have bugs, I have two dogs and a huge yard. I'm sure it's full of bugs. I've been checking with my magnifying glass every day...I still have them, but I've only seen a few since the first and only treatment so far...they will get another on Thursday. I'll employ the other tips you mentioned as well, that should help me keep them out. No res, but I do have lots of gallon jugs sittin in that room and two 5 gallon jugs of RO almost all the time. these have lids tho so it shouldn't be a problem. I never leave water in the plants or grow room itself.

"Lastly" SNS209 - Do you think it made your plants unappealing to bugs? Did you see any significant benefits from using it as a preventative treatment?

Thank you for sharing ... and thank you to Mr Smith, Bassman, Jandre, Xlr8, Mr K, OG13, OMM, bid...
OMG, so many here, there is no way I could name all those who've helped me grow as a grower...
is the best grow site on the web PERIOD!

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Tips for ongoing pest prevention:

• I sprinkle a little diatomaceous earth on the floor of the tent. It's soft fluffy white safe, powder to humans, but it cuts bugs up like razors and dehydrates them to crispiness. Mwuah, ah ah. Diatomaceous earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't know if you saw this part...from the above link...thanks again

Hydroponics: Freshwater diatomite can be used as a growing medium in hydroponic gardens.

It is also used as a growing medium in potted plants, particularly as bonsai soil. Bonsai enthusiasts use it as a soil additive, or pot a bonsai tree in 100% diatomaceous earth. Like perlite, vermiculite, and expanded clay, it retains water and nutrients, while draining fast and freely, allowing high oxygen circulation within the growing medium


I'm thinkin' I may use a little of this in the medium to help prevent burrowing bugs.

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Folks

It's been a couple weeks again... Not much has changed with the girls. I plan to switch the light cycle sometime this week...these girls are sooo ready to flower it's not funny

Big veg room this morning

(ok, something is different with the site...I can't insert a photo like I have been since the change to the new format. Gonna go try the old way...2 open windows, cut and paste the url...hope it works)

nope...that doesn't work either



I've been busy fighting bugs in my garden now for just about 10 days.

I'll be back after I figure this out with an update...hopfully

Sq

 

[sqwheels]

re: Sqwheels' Garden - Bonsai Style

Hi Folks

Here we go again...still having trouble with posting pics...for some reason when I click on a pic I want to post to my journal, some of them ...instead of posting the pic I chose, it redirects me to a member photos page here @ 420, or it just does nothing...not sure what's up...but I'll post what I can.

Things will look a little different in here...since my last update, almost two weeks ago, sorry...I've been busy, and vegging isn't all that sexy anyway...I know y'all love that bud porn...trust me, so do I and I'll have some soon.

I've given away 5 plants...my space was getting really crowded, they were growing faster than I was prepared for so I culled out one of each...Northern Lights x Big Bud, White Rhino, Blue Widow, Blueberry Gum and Wonder Woman b.

and I found bugs...Thrips. I've used SNS203 @ 2oz/gal for drench/spray twice and still had them. The last treatment, this past Sunday, I drenched with SNS203 again @ 4oz/gal, but sprayed with Mighty Wash. I had great success with this when I had mites, I hope it will work with thrips.
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Big veg room yesterday...
Wonder Woman, Blue Widow and Northern Lights x Big Bud[/FONT]

Wonder Woman...the rubber bands I had holding her branchs down broke, and since I've been fighting bugs, drenching and spraying is easier without them so I haven't re-tied her...Don't know if I will. I thought maybe I could affix a screen on top somehow and bend her into submission just before I flip the switch...Wonder Woman is very pliable, it just might work for better penetration.

This photo was taken while doing a drench/spray this week...I clipped a lot of undergrowth out...it would have just sucked a bunch of energy and not given any real buds, and the bugs *urg*, so I snipped it off.

stuff clipped off

After clipping and cleaning up undergrowth...she has a bunch bud sites, I think she would screen nicely if I could figure out a way to do it and still be able to pick her up and move her around...I see 4 dowels and a piece of that plastic fencing stuff maybe. hmmm... have to think on this.

from the top, it's the only one I took, sorry it's so fuzzy.

Drenching Blue Widow and Northern Lights x Big Bud

waiting for everything to dry after drench/spray.
BW

NLxBB

Small veg room yesterday

Little Wonder Woman bonsai in training...I gave away WWb

I gave away the original Blueberry Gum from seed but cloned her twice before I did...her babies seem are doing well, no weird twisted growth like the original plant. I'm sure it was due to the mistakes I made when I popped her seed
BbG clipped and put in a yogurt cup on 8-8, now in a 5" and growing nicely

BbG clipped 8-26

and now in a 2"

Here's a couple of ww clipped 8-22

Turned out one of these had most of those roots, the other had just 3 or 4 so I only kept one

it's in a 4" now and growing nicely

Various other clones I'm waiting on. I kept a clipping of all the strains I gave away. These are NLxBB, BW, WR, BbG and two AI.
I didn't want to hurt these with a drench/spray, so for bugs sake, I took them all to the sink and washed them under running water, carefully inspected for bugs then put them in fresh ro/tap water...unfortunately the marker I use to label clone cups is a "dry erase" and it washed off. I didn't think about it until I got them all back into the other room and was checking water level...so, I guessed...I'm pretty sure I got them all labeled right again but I can't be absolutely certain. Dumb mistake...oh well, live and learn

Aurora Indica...I think I'm gonna flower this girl with the other three I can't wait for some new flavors

the Wonder Woman bonsai in training

I checked them all this morning and didn't see any bugs anywhere...I really want to flip to 12/12, but am worried about bugs in my buds *ick*, so I'm gonna watch close for a couple more days, spray with mighty wash again in two and hope those little buggers are dead. SNS203 is nearly gone, but I have some SNS209 I'll be using as a preventative. I've sprayed with home defense all around the bedroom, outside the closet and I have a no pest strip I'll be hanging soon...it's based on fumes and the square footage is waayyy bigger than the closet, so that concerns me just a little...I spend A LOT of time in that bedroom.

What do you think X...am I gonna fumigate myself?

While I've been fighting bugs by drenching for the last several days, these girls have gotten almost NO nutes...I'm really surprised they look as healthy as they do. Thanks to BPN I think they were in real good shape to begin with.

Ok, I think that's it for the update. Next week we should be flowering I can't wait!!!

It's taken all morning, for some reason the posting program has fought me the whole way...I really hope this all posts properly.

Thanks for looking, hope you enjoy



Sq