Spimps NLxBB Auto Micro CFL's 2013
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Your over thinking it sir. Follow me on this... LST done correctly induces almost no stress. As much as a high power fan.
Right now everything is looking tight and compact and brittle. Looks like you could snap it like a twiglet. 2 weeks from today, it will be a different plant. The space will be in inches instead of 1/4 inches. Trust me. Then the light will come on.
100% happened to me this way.I was scared of snappin her cause she was so thin a fraile looking. She is right now. So you CARESS her at this stage. Gently lay her down. Dont tie a circle around her, more like a open hook kinda hugging her firmly. Lightly bend. wait 4-6 days. Re-Adjust. 3 adjustments and you have a 12" Bush sir.
She will never be this fragile again. So each time you adjust her you will be more confident and she will be stronger thus less likely to break.
Next thing you know shes 24 " and you can yank on her cause her stem has bark
Forgot to anser your question about how much longer. Honestly, I dnt know. I assume 7-14 by the swelling. All the trics are Cloudy but thats how they started. Im getting fan trics that are mixed clear cloudy. But I want ambers. Witha photo i would guss 3-5 WEEKS more but time is kinda funky on these Autos.
how long did it take your auto to start flowering,
this method would work with an auto that has a long veg period, but ive grown autos that just have 14 days of growth before they start flower, but then ive had autos that take 6 weeks to start flowering, the kc45 autos took 5ish weeks to start flowering, they ended up much bigger under 12-12 as well, i hit 2oz per auto under 12-12 where as under 24-0 and 20-4 i was getting between a 1/4 and 3 8ths per auto and this was with a good few autos,
some autos just dont have a long enough veg to let you do anything to them, something like big bang auto that produces 4oz per auto would be ok to train, but an auto with a short veg period would not really benefit,
the only thing that i would risk doing is some lst work but that would just be to get lower nodes to grow upwards, it just needs to have enough veg time to benefit from the lst, anything with 4 or more weeks may benefit from this method as lst does not stunt growth as much it just takes a couple of days to focus its growth on the nodes instead of the main bud site,
once ive got plenty of auto seeds which should be pretty soon as ive got plenty of pollen now then ill be able to run some side by side tests with autos as i can try a few different grow methods then. autos like auto purple and auto blueberry reached harvest at about 6 to 8 inches high so any training done to them would not of benefited the plant, but the kc45's under 12-12 would possibly benefit from lst like this, i never went this far but i did use lst to bend the plant slightly to allow light to all the nodes, i didnt pull the top down enough to let the plant focus its energy on the other branches,
so ill give this a try when get my autos seeds sorted, ill also try topping and fimming as well, maybe we can increase yields this way but it would need to be done with an auto that has a decent veg period, ive had autos start flowering when they are just 2 nodes high and produced less than an 8th at harvest, i dont think autos are really that stable yet, hopefully ill be able to produce my own and get a good yielding auto.
i know the big bang auto has a decent veg period and can be grown under a scrog so its a risk if you end up with an auto that dont grow for long so check the breeders info and see how long the grow is suppose to be then it will give you some idea of how long you got before it starts flowering,
nice work spimp my friend, its certainly given me some ideas to try for my own autos, have some reps my friend,
this method would work with an auto that has a long veg period, but ive grown autos that just have 14 days of growth before they start flower, but then ive had autos that take 6 weeks to start flowering, the kc45 autos took 5ish weeks to start flowering, they ended up much bigger under 12-12 as well, i hit 2oz per auto under 12-12 where as under 24-0 and 20-4 i was getting between a 1/4 and 3 8ths per auto and this was with a good few autos,
some autos just dont have a long enough veg to let you do anything to them, something like big bang auto that produces 4oz per auto would be ok to train, but an auto with a short veg period would not really benefit,
the only thing that i would risk doing is some lst work but that would just be to get lower nodes to grow upwards, it just needs to have enough veg time to benefit from the lst, anything with 4 or more weeks may benefit from this method as lst does not stunt growth as much it just takes a couple of days to focus its growth on the nodes instead of the main bud site,
once ive got plenty of auto seeds which should be pretty soon as ive got plenty of pollen now then ill be able to run some side by side tests with autos as i can try a few different grow methods then. autos like auto purple and auto blueberry reached harvest at about 6 to 8 inches high so any training done to them would not of benefited the plant, but the kc45's under 12-12 would possibly benefit from lst like this, i never went this far but i did use lst to bend the plant slightly to allow light to all the nodes, i didnt pull the top down enough to let the plant focus its energy on the other branches,
so ill give this a try when get my autos seeds sorted, ill also try topping and fimming as well, maybe we can increase yields this way but it would need to be done with an auto that has a decent veg period, ive had autos start flowering when they are just 2 nodes high and produced less than an 8th at harvest, i dont think autos are really that stable yet, hopefully ill be able to produce my own and get a good yielding auto.
i know the big bang auto has a decent veg period and can be grown under a scrog so its a risk if you end up with an auto that dont grow for long so check the breeders info and see how long the grow is suppose to be then it will give you some idea of how long you got before it starts flowering,
nice work spimp my friend, its certainly given me some ideas to try for my own autos, have some reps my friend,
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With my first plant it showed the first single calyx w hair at like 23ish days. Full flower at 35 days but very tall. But it is Northern Lights x Big Bud which may induce more questions regarding the nice yield.
The other is Blue mammoth and it showed sooner. 18 days She is 35 days and full flower but not nearly as tall. But she is also showing trics. Im interested to see if she shoots tall like NLxBB.
I would only suggest top/FIM if you grew hydro. I think that would give you the turnaround speed to really recover. Soil I think would be ba bad result.
If the Blue mammoth doesnt yield well, I will try a mush looser version. This one may be a little aggressive.
The other is Blue mammoth and it showed sooner. 18 days She is 35 days and full flower but not nearly as tall. But she is also showing trics. Im interested to see if she shoots tall like NLxBB.
I would only suggest top/FIM if you grew hydro. I think that would give you the turnaround speed to really recover. Soil I think would be ba bad result.
If the Blue mammoth doesnt yield well, I will try a mush looser version. This one may be a little aggressive.
@dharma, dont worry about it snapping mate, the branches and stem is pretty flexible, plus you dont need to pull it down in one day, if you think it feels stiff and might break then pull it down a small amount today then when the plants got used to that you can pull it down so more, the bigger the plant the easier it is to bend down as it can handle it without breaking, when plants are young and have a thin stem then it is possible to break it,
so be gentle and just pull it down to where you feel comfortable then the next day pull it down some more, or you can use a weight and have it putting pressure on the stem and within a few hours it should of pulled it down,
just use something that wont cut into the stem, also remember the stem is still growing so when using lst its best to undo it once a week to let the plant stretch for an hour or 2 then put the lst back on, that way your not putting the stem under pressuer as it grows,
so it shouldnt snap just go easy the first day then a bit more then next day, or even a few hours later, use something like pipe cleaners or thick twine or string, you dont want anything cutting into the stem and snapping it,
im sure you will be ok with doing it, just do it a bit at a time, another option is to gently rub the stem between your thumb and finger and roll it a little bit, this will soften it up enough to bend it but dont squash it to much else you have done some super cropping and that will stunt growth longer,
so if it feels like its to much stress then just do a little bit at a time, then within a day or 2 you will have it growing sideways, just tie it to the edge of the pot, what i do is poke hoels around the top of all my pots, 10 to 15 holds running around the top of the pot and then i can tie any branches i like into any hole so all my pots now have holes in,
then if the auto has got enough veg time then you may benefit from it,
do you know who the breeder is so i can check the strain out for you and see what kind of growth it has got relating to the veg time,
it will show sex for about a week to 10 days before it actually goes into flower,
@Spimp, also remember mate that some indicas dont show amber trichs at all, most autos are crossed with indicas so just keep an eye on it when its cloudy and make sure it dont go hermie, ive had indicas that wont go past 100% cloudy, i know this is only with indica heavy strains or pure indicas,
so be gentle and just pull it down to where you feel comfortable then the next day pull it down some more, or you can use a weight and have it putting pressure on the stem and within a few hours it should of pulled it down,
just use something that wont cut into the stem, also remember the stem is still growing so when using lst its best to undo it once a week to let the plant stretch for an hour or 2 then put the lst back on, that way your not putting the stem under pressuer as it grows,
so it shouldnt snap just go easy the first day then a bit more then next day, or even a few hours later, use something like pipe cleaners or thick twine or string, you dont want anything cutting into the stem and snapping it,
im sure you will be ok with doing it, just do it a bit at a time, another option is to gently rub the stem between your thumb and finger and roll it a little bit, this will soften it up enough to bend it but dont squash it to much else you have done some super cropping and that will stunt growth longer,
so if it feels like its to much stress then just do a little bit at a time, then within a day or 2 you will have it growing sideways, just tie it to the edge of the pot, what i do is poke hoels around the top of all my pots, 10 to 15 holds running around the top of the pot and then i can tie any branches i like into any hole so all my pots now have holes in,
then if the auto has got enough veg time then you may benefit from it,
do you know who the breeder is so i can check the strain out for you and see what kind of growth it has got relating to the veg time,
it will show sex for about a week to 10 days before it actually goes into flower,
@Spimp, also remember mate that some indicas dont show amber trichs at all, most autos are crossed with indicas so just keep an eye on it when its cloudy and make sure it dont go hermie, ive had indicas that wont go past 100% cloudy, i know this is only with indica heavy strains or pure indicas,
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Heres a pic example. I learn by pics so it my help.
its something i will try though, once i got enough seeds i can play around with all different methods like running the stem along the top of the pot so its got no upwards growth apart from the nodes,
given a good veg time it will pay off but some autos produce very poor, i think the breeders produce them to reach harvest quick plus they grow them in sog style grow and their estimates are for a sog grow, so getting just 1/4 per auto us about all they expect as their yield estimates are based on sog grows,
i mean you get autos showing 400g but thats sog in 1sq meter, so if you can fit 50 plants in that foot space then you only need 10g dry per auto to hit 500g dry. so its a bit hit and miss with the estimated yields as its not based per plant, so you cant complain when you only get between 7 and 14g becaues thats all the breeder has said it will do, some autos do really well and hit over 1oz and up to 4 or 5oz, but most are poor yields and meant to be grown in sog, autos was bred to be a very quick grow and fast harvest, so the quicker the breeder can get them to reach harvest the better, their basing it on customers buying 50 seeds at a time, so they dont breed them to produce huge yields, their produced for a quick harvest under any light cycle,
thats why ive decided to work with my own auto strain as im not fussed about it taking a few weeks longer to reach harvest, as long as the yield is good then 2 or 3 weeks longer on the grow is not an issue, but if i wanted to do a sog then id want something that reached harvest quick as 50 plants in 2ltr pots would fit in a 1sq meter space and we would all be very happy at 10g dry in 50 to 60 days, its why the breed autos the way they do, low yields but fast to reach harvest,
50plants x 10g dry is 500g dry bud in less than 60 days,
so the end results will always depend on how long its in veg for, hopefully i can produce an auto that yields well per plant and not per sq meter,
given a good veg time it will pay off but some autos produce very poor, i think the breeders produce them to reach harvest quick plus they grow them in sog style grow and their estimates are for a sog grow, so getting just 1/4 per auto us about all they expect as their yield estimates are based on sog grows,
i mean you get autos showing 400g but thats sog in 1sq meter, so if you can fit 50 plants in that foot space then you only need 10g dry per auto to hit 500g dry. so its a bit hit and miss with the estimated yields as its not based per plant, so you cant complain when you only get between 7 and 14g becaues thats all the breeder has said it will do, some autos do really well and hit over 1oz and up to 4 or 5oz, but most are poor yields and meant to be grown in sog, autos was bred to be a very quick grow and fast harvest, so the quicker the breeder can get them to reach harvest the better, their basing it on customers buying 50 seeds at a time, so they dont breed them to produce huge yields, their produced for a quick harvest under any light cycle,
thats why ive decided to work with my own auto strain as im not fussed about it taking a few weeks longer to reach harvest, as long as the yield is good then 2 or 3 weeks longer on the grow is not an issue, but if i wanted to do a sog then id want something that reached harvest quick as 50 plants in 2ltr pots would fit in a 1sq meter space and we would all be very happy at 10g dry in 50 to 60 days, its why the breed autos the way they do, low yields but fast to reach harvest,
50plants x 10g dry is 500g dry bud in less than 60 days,
so the end results will always depend on how long its in veg for, hopefully i can produce an auto that yields well per plant and not per sq meter,
yep thats it dharma, you can have a tie lower down near the ground as that stops you snapping the roots as when you pull it over it will pull on the roots, so if you tie a tie so its opposite to the tie you putting on the top of the plant,
so tie the bottom so one side of the pot and then pull the plant over the other way, just do it a bit at a time if you like, its more difficuly when the plant is really young, but it gets difficult when the stem goes woody as well, but if you want to do it this early then just gently pull it over until you dont want to risk anymore then pull it over some more a few hours later or the next day.
also mate check what strain you got and which breeder its from, then we can check the expected yield and find out if its per plant or per sq meter, that will give us some idea if its a quick finisher or not
so tie the bottom so one side of the pot and then pull the plant over the other way, just do it a bit at a time if you like, its more difficuly when the plant is really young, but it gets difficult when the stem goes woody as well, but if you want to do it this early then just gently pull it over until you dont want to risk anymore then pull it over some more a few hours later or the next day.
also mate check what strain you got and which breeder its from, then we can check the expected yield and find out if its per plant or per sq meter, that will give us some idea if its a quick finisher or not
Happy Tokesday Spimp
Your over thinking it sir. Follow me on this... LST done correctly induces almost no stress. As much as a high power fan.
Right now everything is looking tight and compact and brittle. Looks like you could snap it like a twiglet. 2 weeks from today, it will be a different plant. The space will be in inches instead of 1/4 inches. Trust me. Then the light will come on.
I was scared of snappin her cause she was so thin a fraile looking. She is right now. So you CARESS her at this stage. Gently lay her down. Dont tie a circle around her, more like a open hook kinda hugging her firmly. Lightly bend. wait 4-6 days. Re-Adjust. 3 adjustments and you have a 12" Bush sir.
She will never be this fragile again. So each time you adjust her you will be more confident and she will be stronger thus less likely to break.
Next thing you know shes 24 " and you can yank on her cause her stem has bark
Forgot to anser your question about how much longer. Honestly, I dnt know. I assume 7-14 by the swelling. All the trics are Cloudy but thats how they started. Im getting fan trics that are mixed clear cloudy. But I want ambers. Witha photo i would guss 3-5 WEEKS more but time is kinda funky on these Autos.
Good Weed Day Spimp, I wasn't worrying about snapping, you might have cringed when I bent that baby over the first pick! She was at a 90 degree angle plus some, I'm just worried about other coloas that might have gotten bigger, but now are just going to be sized the same as the lower ones. Will that still mean bigger yield? Who knows! I was just saying it was a worry of mine because I have no stash, never said that I wasn't going through with it lol!
Damn thats one thing I didn't do, and I really can't affectively with smart pots, they are cloth!!!
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Just a reminder the polls will open soon on the 420 contests!! I want to get more than 100 voters in each contest this month. So Im gonna pester the crap outta ya til we get there!!!
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Il be voting sir good day spimp
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If I keep looking at that CFL nug of yours, I may switch my vote!! Beautiful. And for the density outta CFL's much props. 
alex801
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Thankyou sir thankyou iv loved ur grapefruit nug from you posting the first pik a while back
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BTW, I got some auto info.
the NLxBB thread is a 45g-70g per plant estimate from the breeder.
The Blue mammoth is a 26-30g per plant.
Im highly considering removing the hoopty and letting this one start getting taller. Sounds like she is gonna be a small one anyway. More details to come...
Just a reminder the polls will open soon on the 420 contests!! I want to get more than 100 voters in each contest this month. So Im gonna pester the crap outta ya til we get there!!!
I always try to vote too
BTW, I got some auto info.
the NLxBB thread is a 45g-70g per plant estimate from the breeder.
The Blue mammoth is a 26-30g per plant.
Im highly considering removing the hoopty and letting this one start getting taller. Sounds like she is gonna be a small one anyway. More details to come...
Yea sounds like it will be faster too. All the auto's I got for my next one very a fair amount but some are finished in just over 6 weeks to close to 9 weeks that is ton of growth. That is just crazy
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PROJECT HOOPTY IS NO MAS
The plant is alive but I de-screened her. It was a poor attempt at a SCRoG that I could have made work to the end, but Lets face it, her overall yield was more important. I made several mistakes but I learned from it so I know its not a total loss.
Heres what just happened. Im gonna be candid so hopefully you get a laugh and a lesson from it.
4:20 Went and took some massive rips off of Blue Cheese. (I can not reccomend this strain enough for couch lock guys btw)
4:30 Went and stared at my cab.
4:35 decided to pick up Blue and check out the SCRoG. Its been strangling some bud sites and I wanted to inspect her.
4:35.20 Spilled 'Project X'. I was trying a new germ technique ill talk about later. think red plastic cup...
4:35.30 Freaked the F*ck out.
4:35.45 Pulled myself together and sprang into action. Located the bean and to my horror it was cracked open with white showing. Damn.
4:36 got it back into cup gently with medium.
4:37-5:00 Sat and thought how stupid I was and how the bean is probably ruined. Inspected blue.
5:00 decided for "plant health" and to avoid another calamity removed Hoopty and LST'd her.
The spill made me weight things alittle. There was too many ropes and it was way to ghetto to work effectively. If you so much as bumped it, the ropes would almost saw a stem. I bet Clapton coulda played Layla on that thing! Plus the non-rigidness of the ring only made it even scarier.
I decided since its a small yielding plant, I need to just be careful. Plus I was really ripped and felt like an azz for spilling Project X. Ok now for pics:
The plant is alive but I de-screened her. It was a poor attempt at a SCRoG that I could have made work to the end, but Lets face it, her overall yield was more important. I made several mistakes but I learned from it so I know its not a total loss.
Heres what just happened. Im gonna be candid so hopefully you get a laugh and a lesson from it.
4:20 Went and took some massive rips off of Blue Cheese. (I can not reccomend this strain enough for couch lock guys btw)
4:30 Went and stared at my cab.
4:35 decided to pick up Blue and check out the SCRoG. Its been strangling some bud sites and I wanted to inspect her.
4:35.20 Spilled 'Project X'. I was trying a new germ technique ill talk about later. think red plastic cup...
4:35.30 Freaked the F*ck out.
4:35.45 Pulled myself together and sprang into action. Located the bean and to my horror it was cracked open with white showing. Damn.
4:36 got it back into cup gently with medium.
4:37-5:00 Sat and thought how stupid I was and how the bean is probably ruined. Inspected blue.
5:00 decided for "plant health" and to avoid another calamity removed Hoopty and LST'd her.
The spill made me weight things alittle. There was too many ropes and it was way to ghetto to work effectively. If you so much as bumped it, the ropes would almost saw a stem. I bet Clapton coulda played Layla on that thing! Plus the non-rigidness of the ring only made it even scarier.
I decided since its a small yielding plant, I need to just be careful. Plus I was really ripped and felt like an azz for spilling Project X. Ok now for pics: