Spimps NLxBB Auto Micro CFL's 2013

wow we have the same dream except the part about Scarface and the duck tales part. Mine has the Jazz singing chicken and a picture of Farrah. other than that its the same. that and I'm wearing a flower covered moomoo and a pair of cowboy boots:)
Spimp said:
In my dreams Im kinda like Scarface meets Duck tales. Where Im a gangsta ass thug controlling north americas weed production and when everyone leaves I go diving through the buds like Scrooge Mcduck... and Im usually wearing an Sombrero and pancho... :)
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Good weed Spimp
cajuncelt said:
How is she today?
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yeah what cajun said:)
 
DharmaBud said:
Yeh DP cheer up, at least you didn't talk out your ass like I did!
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i dont think you did. Part of obtaining knowledge is applying it. Even if the appliation wasnt correct, you gained more knowledge. :)

Ricorico said:
I was just reading this again.

Think about it.

A slight improvement is what is known in physics as an "Improvement"

My theory is that it would have worked,

but you've overwatered now, so we'll never know.

:xmas:
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You are correct. Any improvement is improvement. I was a little confused if the wind played more of a factor than the coolness did. You will seemy conclusions shortly sir. :)
donpaul.p said:
im sure by morning the problem will be sorted,
i think a heat issue would of showed up some cupped leaves on the tops of the plants, it takes a few hours for them cupped leaves to go back to normal,
as long as temps are ok now then it should improve if it was just a temp issue, if it was over watering then it might take a bit longer as the soil dries out,

it will be good news tomorrow i think, my the bud gods be looking down on your plant and make it all good
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Thank you for the prayer sir. I honestly should have known better regarding heat. i know they curl up. Damn it sometimes Im my own worst enemy...

Ricorico said:
Yes, Everything is going to be OK.

Sorry for being cheeky. I'm sure you didn't overwater :xmas:
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If you ever stop being cheeky, I wont be happy. :)

cajuncelt said:
How is she today?
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Ok, well heres the Ghetto report:
Basically both look the same. Leaves are no worse, but they aren straight out like a week ago. Stems have more purpling now but leaves still a little droopy.
Heres what I think happened. I think the flush took a couple days for the plant to react. I think it was overwatering all along. Not drown them levels, but still too much. When she didnt react within 24hrs to flush I assumed the coast was clear. I think now it was somewhat of a delayed reaction. add to that the additinal water 2 days later and you have sad lady friends. :straightface: donpaul.p and Ricorico nailed it.
I do think Im having a heat issue though as well. Seems like the super thin bud leaves are doing a spiral curl thing, but that can also be from too much light. The tip top of the buds doesnt seem to be growing like the buds are just a little ways away from the lights. :hmmmm: Its shooting pistols out, but doesnt look as dense. This is probably what donpaul.p said where they are trying to get to cooler air instead of being dense. Ill post some pics in a bit.
Heres my course of action : do nothing. Thats right, im gonna sit on my hands for a few days until I KNOW they are dry and then go from there. This new planter is tricky because of the wasted space retaining water and Im sure thats part of the issue. Im the other part. :)
BTW evryone, GOOD WEED. :)
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1. Dont love her to death. Too much water, too much nutes, too much anything shes dead. Water every time the pot feels light.
 
You bet. I was fooled by this stupid planter box + scrog. Can get right up to here stem unless Rick Maranus shrinks me. :rofl: So I kinda guessed. Luckily I had a suspiscion so I only 1/2 watered so shes not too bad. :) Im doing better on the nutes though Reg! ;)
 
Picture time!! They are a little sad. :straightface:
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Two things, one look at the top of the buds. Notice how the hairs are short? I think this is due too heat from lights. Second, Blue has a crazy color to her. Almost exactly like the first picture. Its like super green.
Ive noticed the color looks alot better on these girls since the flush. :)
 
Breeder claims 60 days at 20-4. I calculated out light hours of my 17-7 vs 20-4 and I think it came to 70.5 days. My guess is more like 75-80 to get her right where I want her. :) Im a couchlock guy myself vs uppity head high. Those are good for my adventure days, but mostly I medicate for back pain relief and to unwind. :)
 
Spimp said:
Im a couchlock guy myself vs uppity head high. Those are good for my adventure days, but mostly I medicate for back pain relief and to unwind. :)
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Agreed... I keep the other kind around for day time or more casual use, but I prefer couch lock type for pain, insomnia, etc. myself. :Namaste:
 
ok, now we can see the pics we have some idea of what the issue might be or might of been.

now you see the thin leaves curling down well this is usually a sign of to much N, also i dont think you have a heat issue, the buds look to be stretching like that due to it been a sativa strain, now their will always be one or 2 buds that are trying to get higher than the others so they become main buds so the chance of pollenation is better for them as their slightly taller and likely to catch pollen in the wind,

i dont think you have a heat issues, im pretty sure the problem is one of 2 things or the problem is or was 2 things, its either 2 much N or to much water or both, now them thin leaves that are curling down was exactly how my plant went when i transplanted into expensive compost, it curled down like that then the ends of the leaves started to dry up telling me the new compost was to high in N,

now as you have flushed chances are you have sorted the N issue but the to much water problem is still their, so by looking at the pics id say its just a water issue at the moment and the flushing would of sorted out the N problem,

the problem with over watering is it takes a few days to recover, if it was under watered then it would recover in 20min and the plant would look great, but over watering takes times as the soil needs to dry out and the roots need to start getting oxygen again,

so just see how it goes over the next day or 2, dont water at this point, let it dry out completely before watering again, the plant wont suffer at all, it will go a good 24 hours before showing signs of under watering once the pot is totally dry, so let it dry out and see if the leaves recover, but to be fair its not really looking that bad, its still doing ok so i wouldnt worry to much,

it looks ok and is not suffering to much, i think once its dried out it will quickly recover and go back to nice healthy growth, if the issue was to much N then the flush you did would of sorted this out, id let the pot dry out and then start with the flower feed schedule again at say 1/2 strength and see how the plant reacts, you will know if it needs higher nutes as the leaves will start to go a really light shade of green, but looks wise id say its about where it needs to be with the nutes, maybe to high in N but you sorted this with the flush.

so let it bounce back and dry out then you can start again with the flower feed and just let the pot dry out before feeding again, i use bpn and i know i dont need to feed my plants every time i water, so i feed onces then the next time i use just water, i soon found my plants where much healthier when i was not feeding them with every water, we tend to give these plants to much nutrients, we need to remember their just weeds and they naturally live in some really tough climates and ground conditions,

i think you have caught the problem early enough so im sure everything will be back to normal in a day or 2,

if you are concerned about the heat then just raise the light an inch or 2, if you have a temp guage check its working ok and then check the temp at the top of the plant, not at back of grow room or side of grow room but hang the temp gauge at plant height near to the canopy of the plant and let it stay their for an hour or 2 then check the temp,

also make sure you have got fresh air going into the grow space, ideally the air should be changed every so often by using extraction fans but i cant do this in my room so i have the door open with a fan blowing from outside, this forces co2 air into the grow space and pushes the old air out of the top of the grow room,
 
Thank you very much donpaul.p. :thanks:

Im sure I gave her too much N beofre the flush. Very good prognosis. As for fresh air i have a 120 pc fan forcing air in, as well as a poorly cut door thats like 1/2" on one side short. :) I exhaust thru a 90 pc fan up to a 5". Heres kinda a pic:
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I had a very cheap carbon filter i cut and put inside that had collected dust and was notexhausting as much heat as required as well. Sometimes a little hitch makes you re-evaluate other stuff too. :rofl: And the ICE excange worked beautifully today at keeping it cooler. Im 100% gonna chill on the water because I do suspect that was the culprit.

You mention Sativa but the breeder says indica ruderal mix. It was a freebie. Is northern lights a sativa strain?
The overwatering actually took a few days to show itself if that what it is. It started about 24-36hrs after the flush. :hmmmm:
 
Hey Spimp

I found an article talking about raised leaf edges. Seems like good info. Suggest the problem may be high humidity and heat which could develop into a potassium deficiency. I thought it was a good read:

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Potassium is a very important element for the mobility of a variety of elements, energy, and water. When it comes to transpiration (sweating) of the leaves to help them stay cool this is the most important nutritional element.

As a cation potassium will compete for uptake (osmosis) with other cations. Calcium, Magnesium, and Sodium are generally the cations that will skew the uptake of Potassium. Excesses of anions like sulfates, phosphates, and nitates, can cause precipitation of Potassium based salts. Balance is key.

During instances of high heat and high humidity the plant feels the same way you do, like you just cannot cool off, the water just doesn't do much evaporating and cooling. The plant works and works to push the water out and shapes itself that way to help stay cool. In very low humidity and high temperature the plant will be transpiring as quickly as possible because the water evaporates right off so fast that it's practically being pulled out (like growing in a dehydrator).

No matter how you carve it, high or low RH, it's always the heat that increases the need for transpiration and the need for Potassium. Add in a salinity issue and things can get bad fast.

In this case the slight yellowing of the leaves near the edges and the curl of the leaf it would appear there is most definitely a potassium issue, in addition there may be a too high N too low P problem going on.

My suggestion here is to cut way back on the Cal-Mag Plus or other calcium nitrate based supplement if you've been using it. With the next 2 or 3 feedings you'll want to get a good 1:1 runoff ratio (4 gallons in, 2 gallons out) to ensure that build up is not a contributing factor.

In addition, with these feedings you'll want to do a little tweaking of the npk ca/mg profile. My suggestion is to use a kelp extract or other "stress reduction" kind of B-vitamin/auxin/cytokinin supplement. Things with Yucca, kelp, and fulvic acid will help your plant rebound from the stress. These supplements are usually naturally high in Potassium and I'd be using something like Liquid Karma and MaxiCrop/Nitrozyme/Seaplex/BioWeed at full strength. Do it with the first watering, then on the third watering. A few tablespoons of a higher pk composted fertilizer amended into the top soil is probably all the other "nutrient" fixing I would want to do. Keep it organic, you know?

Then, just keep your eye on the pH and top dress with a little dolomite every few weeks to keep your micro-buffer balanced. If all this curling is recent damage since they've been under the 1000w and the heat from it then once the light is backed off, and the plants rebound, and you move them outdoors... They'll be fine.

Don't do anything drastic. Just address the deep lush blue/green look to them (indicating the N:p issue) and make sure to replace that potassium your plants have been burning through. Easy peasy.
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If you get some yellowing with this it most likely is potassium deficiency.
 
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