Slammy Pajammy's Indoor Organic Supersoil Ladies, 2019! 2nd Ever!

[Emilya Green]

Awesome, thanks Em!! I held back on the lime because I wanted to use the soil without much cooking time and was worried it might be too hot for the short term, but I'll add some back into the excess mix. Would it be worth topdressing a small amount of lime to the fabric pots? That's the only way I could think of getting any actually into the pots now that they're planted into them.

I'll get my hands on some epsom salts and humic acid as well, and hopefully I can effectively get them into the pot after the fact. (I think I was reading that you can water in humic acid?)

Thanks for your input!! you and the others on this forum are entirely to blame for my first harvest going so swimmingly! And it can only get better from here!!

you can do all this in a live pot, but you are risking it all with all this hot uncooked stuff surrounding the roots. It's not just the lime that is hot. If you can't properly cook this soil mix for at least a month, I wouldn't even try it... and I would recommend 3 months just to be sure to have a good solid supersoil at the right pH. At some point in the cooking this mix will suddenly go from shockingly acidic to a very nice 6.8 or so, and it is then that you know that it is done. It also takes on a very pleasant smell very much akin to the forest floor when it is ready... but until then, it is a hot mess that I would not trust my best seeds in, let's put it that way.
If you are already using this mix you described, I expect problems all through the grow. Sorry, and not to diss on you, just telling you what I see and expect. Shortly after the start of bloom you will likely have so many deficiencies that you will be forced to feed out of a bottle to get through. How do I know this? I did the same thing with my first attempt at organics.

 

[Slammy Pajama]

Some of the bigger GSC colas!

Pre-trim!

Post-trim

Bud wash station set up and ready

This is why you wash!

Hanging for the drip dry

 

[Slammy Pajama]

you can do all this in a live pot, but you are risking it all with all this hot uncooked stuff surrounding the roots. It's not just the lime that is hot. If you can't properly cook this soil mix for at least a month, I wouldn't even try it... and I would recommend 3 months just to be sure to have a good solid supersoil at the right pH. At some point in the cooking this mix will suddenly go from shockingly acidic to a very nice 6.8 or so, and it is then that you know that it is done. It also takes on a very pleasant smell very much akin to the forest floor when it is ready... but until then, it is a hot mess that I would not trust my best seeds in, let's put it that way.
If you are already using this mix you described, I expect problems all through the grow. Sorry, and not to diss on you, just telling you what I see and expect. Shortly after the start of bloom you will likely have so many deficiencies that you will be forced to feed out of a bottle to get through. How do I know this? I did the same thing with my first attempt at organics.

Hmm... good to know. I thought maybe it would be ok as the majority of the mix is pre-cooked, but maybe it's not too late to try and get them back out of the big pots and into intermediate pots with less hot soil and let the soil just cook for a bit. Thanks for the heads up, Em!

 

[Slammy Pajama]

So, update on the harvest! I've been so busy with work and everything else gong on that I've had a hard time keeping up with the old harvest, let alone the new ladies. I need to get into my garden some more!

These bad gals will be getting a tighter trim if they are the right humidity!

The ones in the fridge have been in paper bags in there for about 2 weeks, sitting most of the time around 6 degrees Celsius and RH 30-45%. Some of them are feeling really nice and crispy, so I've pulled them out of the fridge and split them into 4 jars,
--crispy GSC
- crispy WW
- slightly squishy GSC
-slightly squishy WW

And put a hygrometer in the jars that are crispy. Once they get to be in there for, I dunno, 6 or 12 hours to come up to temp and everything, I'll see what kind of humidity they are at, and if they are close we'll go from there! If not, back into the fridge with everything!

The dehydrated ones I managed to get under 67% last week and have been hovering them around 62% with occasional burps in my ambient 35-45% humidity. They are all sealed up now and I'm waiting 2-4 weeks before even beginning to start tasting them. Hopefully the fridge ones are there too!!

 

[Slammy Pajama]

Girl Scout Cookie (Day 42)
White Widow (Day 32)

Temp: lately has been around 26-32 with lights on 24h

RH: 35-45%; little dry, but no humidifier yet

I don't have any extra pots or other reserves of my preamended uncooked soil like I thought I did, to transfer them into for a month or 2 while this stuff got sorted... So here we go! I'll take it as a learning experience, and probably a good exercise in spotting the problems with my friends as they come up. Hopefully their little roots survive the journey this soil will inevitably take them through!

Speaking of spotting the problem... looking pretty good, and definitely was time to start tying this girl scout down, if not already a lil late even... but looks like it's time to brew a tea for that N deficiency that seems to be running up those older leaves.

I'll probably use some soybean meal, kelp meal, EWC (of course), and maybe just a lil bit of malted barley, mix it up with a healthy splash of molasses, and brew it up for 24h or so

 

[DonkeyDick]

Great to see a nicely stocked medicine cabinet like that.
You got the next grow pegged out too, wow. I’m liking the perpetual plan too, right? It’s the gift that keeps giving.

 

[Slammy Pajama]

Girl Scout Cookie (Day 54)
White Widow (Day 44)

Temp: 23-32 degrees Celsius
RH: 35-40%

whoops! I've been so busy with work lately I've hardly been in my garden much at all! So sad! But that's ok, they will continue on without me. Better I leave them to their business more often than helicopter-parenting anyway haha

Watered them both with aired out tap water that's been sitting in my garden room for a couple days. They took about 3 litres split evenly between the Two of them, just cuz the pots felt light and the girl scout looked ready

I wish I could do something about our low humidity, but it's just a dry area. Guna have to get a small humidifier that will fit in the cab somewhere. That'll be the day

I still also haven't gotten a tea brewing, which I've been really meaning to do. I plan to keep her pretty well inoculated with compost teas through most waterings to try and help with the excess of raw amendments I worked through the soil before potting them in these containers. But that'll happen tomorrow or this weekend, so no big deal

I've been training the girl scout cookie a little bit by tying her main stem down to the edge of the pot. She's started to bush out a little with lower shoots, and I'm trying to keep everything a nice even height so I can train this main stem in a big spiral around the edge. She's tacoing a little bit, so this was why I chose to water despite them not looking desperate otherwise yet

The little widow is exploding!! Who knew she had it in her! Haha she's bushing up without being topped or tied or anything! Nice! My first white widow was nice and bushy without much training too. I'll probably try something similar with her that I'm doing on the girl scout cookie but I'll still let her catch up a bit before getting too rough on her

 

[DonChiefums20]

Looking good man!

 

[MightyMoe22]

Just got done catching up and reading through all the rest of the journal and hope you don't mind if I tag along for the second run!

I'm finding myself inspired to mix myself some soil up and let it start cooking for future runs.

Also gotta get an air pump and stones so I can start brewing my girl some tea!

Loved following this grow! Keep it up!

 

[Slammy Pajama]

Finally back in action!!

Sorry to everybody following along! I got sent away for much longer than i expected on a job, and had to leave my ladies behind! :'( unfortunately, i had plans to boost the soil with some aerated teas each watering to give that soil a head-start on cooking, but fate had other plans! So they've had a rough few weeks starving out, and i wasn't exactly surprised to see some very sad ladies upon my return (This was like, Tuesday so about 3.5 days ago). They had water, but were not given their microbe doses, and even the companion cover crop of clover was not coming up because this soil was not alive enough yet!

So, quick solution?? Time to head for the worm bin while my tea gets a brewing! They were definitely ready for a water, so I grabbed some worm leachate from the bottom of the worm bin as a source of some of the microbes that soil needs to start living, so I could give them some water and microbes right away

HOWEVER!
here is the disclaimer on worm leachate (in other words, the dark liquid that collects at the bottom of your worm bin as they break down the food and do their thing). Not only is leachate a random and unreliable source of specific microbes, it is also essentially the runoff of your worm bin. So that means, excess water-soluble nitrogen and other nutrients can be concentrated in here, as well as heavy metals and other toxins; so be sure you know exactly what is going into your worm bin in the first place, AND Still be wary. But I'm a desperate man today

So we dilute the leachate to the colour of weak tea, and give them each about 2L

Girl Scout Cookie:

White Widow:

 

[Silverfox125]

So sad. They are not dead!! Did they pop back up after watering?

 

[Slammy Pajama]

I also turned the lights down to about 33% intensity to give them a little break while they recover. The humidity the last couple weeks has also been BRUTAL. It got as low as 10% ambiently and stayed there for at least a week. Luckily for me, the cab still was up around 20% but still... great way to exacerbate a nutrient deficiency problem . Temps in the cab have been consistent around 22-25 at night and up to about 28 during the day, lights are on 24h

So yesterday, roughly 24 hours ago, I got today's tea brewing:

Equal parts:
- alfalfa meal, for growth hormones and nitrogen
- kelp meal, for a little of everything
- malted barley, for the microbes

All crushed up, then combined with enough EWC to be half and half, added my molasses, and away we go

Look at how much more cover crop is popping up! That's an interesting and immediate sign that things are improving!

Girl Scout Cookie:

Definitely some little clovers starting to pop up now!

White Widow:

Definitely not back to 100% yet, but certainly on the mend! But it looks like it'll probably cost me about a month of lost growing time, hopefully not too much more than that. Oh well! The price of some wisdom and experience.

Now from here on out, it's going to be a tea every watering. Maybe I'll play around with some different mixes and see what happens!

Also very tempted to pop a few white widow seeds on the side and flower them separately under my old light in a closet after a quick little veg... cuz somebody is burning through last harvest way too quick!! :'o

 

[Slammy Pajama]

So sad. They are not dead!! Did they pop back up after watering?

Noticeable difference since last watering, I'm hoping to see some good recovery this weekend after a real tea. I will keep regularly updating as we work our way back to full strength!

 

[Slammy Pajama]

A little note on the dry/cure too...

The fridge dry was a massive success! Most of my harvest was dried in the fridge over about 3 weeks before taking another few days to slowly come down from around 67% humidity to settle at that sweet 62-63%.

I did put some through the dehydrator, which was kind of fun cuz they were cure ready in like 2 days, so they got the longest cure (I've been leaving most them till closer to last to add cure time). And they smell nice... but are definitely slightly harsher to smoke than the fridge stuff. But good taste and effect. I'll use that when I'm desperate, but will go the fridge for most of my drying needs.

I've got a couple jars that are getting close to that month mark, but a lot of it didn't make it that long unfortunately... ideally i would've waited that month to even start smoking them! But desperate times call for desperate measures

Girl Scout:

White Widow:

 

[Emilya Green]

I also turned the lights down to about 33% intensity to give them a little break while they recover. The humidity the last couple weeks has also been BRUTAL. It got as low as 10% ambiently and stayed there for at least a week. Luckily for me, the cab still was up around 20% but still... great way to exacerbate a nutrient deficiency problem . Temps in the cab have been consistent around 22-25 at night and up to about 28 during the day, lights are on 24h

So yesterday, roughly 24 hours ago, I got today's tea brewing:

Equal parts:
- alfalfa meal, for growth hormones and nitrogen
- kelp meal, for a little of everything
- malted barley, for the microbes

All crushed up, then combined with enough EWC to be half and half, added my molasses, and away we go

Look at how much more cover crop is popping up! That's an interesting and immediate sign that things are improving!

Girl Scout Cookie:

Definitely some little clovers starting to pop up now!

White Widow:

Definitely not back to 100% yet, but certainly on the mend! But it looks like it'll probably cost me about a month of lost growing time, hopefully not too much more than that. Oh well! The price of some wisdom and experience.

Now from here on out, it's going to be a tea every watering. Maybe I'll play around with some different mixes and see what happens!

Also very tempted to pop a few white widow seeds on the side and flower them separately under my old light in a closet after a quick little veg... cuz somebody is burning through last harvest way too quick!! :'o

You know, I do tell people to wait to water until the soil is as dry as the sahara desert. For you I am going to give a special new instruction not to go quite that far! lol Congrats on the bounce back... those are some tough girls, they are going to produce well for you! Good luck!
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The Proper Way to Water a Potted Plant (in soil) - STICKY
Emmie's Links, Journals and Tutorials
Berry-D'licious No AACT Organic - Grow Journal
Pineapple Chunk Mega Crop Test - Grow Journal

 

[Slammy Pajama]

You know, I do tell people to wait to water until the soil is as dry as the sahara desert. For you I am going to give a special new instruction not to go quite that far! lol Congrats on the bounce back... those are some tough girls, they are going to produce well for you! Good luck!
____________________________________________________
The Proper Way to Water a Potted Plant (in soil) - STICKY
Emmie's Links, Journals and Tutorials
Berry-D'licious No AACT Organic - Grow Journal
Pineapple Chunk Mega Crop Test - Grow Journal

Thanks Em! Yea I am pretty impressed with how they've pulled through... This certainly is a hardy plant! But they are going to get spoiled from here on out . I am going to try and get in the habit of brewing extra tea every so often to add to the rest of the excess soil mix I have sitting aside too, just to keep things active and alive over there as well

 

[Emilya Green]

Thanks Em! Yea I am pretty impressed with how they've pulled through... This certainly is a hardy plant! But they are going to get spoiled from here on out . I am going to try and get in the habit of brewing extra tea every so often to add to the rest of the excess soil mix I have sitting aside too, just to keep things active and alive over there as well

That sounds like a great plan! You might want to check out Realgrower's Recharge too... sure makes getting those teas ready at last minute notice a lot easier. I have been growing my current grow exclusively using it instead of brewing my own AACTs, and it is working like a dream!

 

[Slammy Pajama]

That sounds like a great plan! You might want to check out Realgrower's Recharge too... sure makes getting those teas ready at last minute notice a lot easier. I have been growing my current grow exclusively using it instead of brewing my own AACTs, and it is working like a dream!

Yea that stuff definitely gets a good rep everywhere I see it pop up! Haven't seen where I can get a hold of it here in aus yet, although maybe I can find something similar locally...

 

[Emilya Green]

Yea that stuff definitely gets a good rep everywhere I see it pop up! Haven't seen where I can get a hold of it here in aus yet, although maybe I can find something similar locally...

URB and Voodoo Juice are liquid (and more expensive) versions of the same thing... see what you can find locally by searching for microbial super pacs or innoculations or some such thing. Surely, even though the drains flow the wrong direction down there, you should be able to find something.

 

[Slammy Pajama]

Today's Update:

Got a little cold last night, so cab temp dropped to about 17 degrees Celsius, but has been around 22 degrees Celsius

RH has been around 45%, so thankfully that's been a lot better recently as we've had some rain. Just in time to help them recover!

The ladies are slowly recovering and starting to drink in the light. I've turned it up to about 50%

Pots still feel nice and heavy, so I'll wait until they start to feel light and then I'll get another tea brewing. Maybe I'll add a small amount of coconut meal to the next one, just in case those roots took some damage and need a bit of K. There's a supplier in AU who has very affordable and well rated microbial packs, but shipping is a lot as they are all the way in West Australia so we'll see, might have to decide on some other supplies from them as well to justify the order

As I'm an impatient guy... I decided to get another 5 white widow seeds soaking, with the intention to grow them shortish out of the cab under my Viparspectra, and flip them just to have a small harvest hopefully sooner than it'll take these two to really fill out the cab. Can't hurt, since I've got the light sitting there anyway! And then I won't be tempted to flip the big girls before they're good and huge

Girl Scout Cookie:

White Widow: