SIP Club - Getting Hydro/Coco Results In A Soil Based Medium

[cbdhemp808]

I look at these designs as basically a 5 gal pot with an aerated runoff reservoir, not so much as a self-watering system. I mean, it is a 5 gal pot, and I've grown quite a bit in 5 gal black plastic nursery pots (this design will give me 4.4 gal).

Now I want to do a side-by-side comparison grow of 2 identical clones taken from my latest batch of just-rooted clones that I'm up-potting today to 1 gal. The comparison would be between my latest SIP build and a standard 5 gal nursery pot. I'll mix up a new batch of my organic living super soil, heavy on the fresh worm castings, to use for both pots. I plan on using a 5" layer of coir/perlite at the bottom of the SIP, so I'll do the same at the bottom of the nursery pot. I will water and fertigate approx. the same for both pots, but not over-water the SIP.

I have the option of flipping them at the same time, or flipping them at X" height in veg.

I like the height-based option... what should X be?

I'll create a separate thread and link it here.

 

[Ramblinrose1965]

I can't get over this clones growth in the miniSIP. She's growing like a little weed.

 

[KeithLemon]

That is so cool.

 

[Gee64]

I can't get over this clones growth in the miniSIP. She's growing like a little weed.

How long has she been in the SIP for?

 

[Ramblinrose1965]

How long has she been in the SIP for?

4 or 5 days

 

[Gee64]

4 or 5 days

Very nice

 

[Gee64]

Was it a soil clone or an aeroclone?

 

[Ramblinrose1965]

Was it a soil clone or an aeroclone?

It was a rapid rooter clone. I did a few in a bubble cloner but didn't have much luck. I believe the water temp was too hot. I did get a few survivors in the rapid rooters.

 

[Gee64]

It was a rapid rooter clone. I did a few in a bubble cloner but didn't have much luck. I believe the water temp was too hot. I did get a few survivors in the rapid rooters.

All you need is 1. Is it in LOS or are you growing it with synthetics?

 

[Gee64]

If you set your bubble cloner on a concrete floor it will keep temps down.

 

[cbdhemp808]

@Azimuth are you using horsetail tea in your SIPs? Fermented or non-fermented?

 

[Azimuth]

@Azimuth are you using horsetail tea in your SIPs? Fermented or non-fermented?

I haven't in a while, but it was a JLF extract when I did. Horsetail Fern is high in silica but I get mostly the same thing with nettle plus extra stuff the horsetail doesn't bring. It's good stuff though to be sure.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I haven't in a while, but it was a JLF extract when I did. Horsetail Fern is high in silica but I get mostly the same thing with nettle plus extra stuff the horsetail doesn't bring. It's good stuff though to be sure.

We have a member of the nettle family here in Hawaii, called Mamaki. No stinging kine. I also have some horsetail starts, but haven't planted them yet in final planter beds... thinking to make wooden beds around the perimeter of my veg house. Maybe I should plant Mamaki instead! Both! ...I still have a bag of horsetail that I bought online.

 

[Azimuth]

We have a member of the nettle family here in Hawaii, called Mamaki. No stinging kine. I also have some horsetail starts, but haven't planted them yet in final planter beds... thinking to make wooden beds around the perimeter of my veg house. Maybe I should plant Mamaki instead! Both! ...I still have a bag of horsetail that I bought online.

Yeah, a variety of stuff is usually best anyway.

I selected the ones I used based on the book by Nigel Palmer called The Regenerative Grower's Guide to Garden Amendments. The first half of the book is a bit dry but the second half he goes into how to make the various KNF and Jadam inputs, plus there are tables in the back detailing the various levels of nutrients/elements he got from having his amendments tested. Very helpful.

 

[Ramblinrose1965]

All you need is 1. Is it in LOS or are you growing it with synthetics?

The clones are currently in ffhf. But once they get going I put them in ffof ammended with frass, bokashi, and layers of perlite using the @Bill284 method. Nutes are geoflora.

 

[Gee64]

The clones are currently in ffhf. But once they get going I put them in ffof ammended with frass, bokashi, and layers of perlite using the @Bill284 method. Nutes are geoflora.

Sounds solid.

 

[Ramblinrose1965]

Sounds solid.

Thanks.....my plan for the miniSIP is to use MegaCrop nutes with ffof.

 

[Gee64]

Thanks.....my plan for the miniSIP is to use MegaCrop nutes with ffof.

I just caught up on your journal. It will be interesting to see your thoughts on Geoflora vs Megacrop. If you don't trim the leaves back on your bubble clones your success rate will drastically improve.

Leaf trimming is for domed soil cloning, full leaves for undomed bubble/aerocloning.

I actually have a good cloning demo in my signature, and am currently raising fresh clones in my Geespot link. Both done with aerocloning. 12 days in soil, 22" tall for the current run. It was done as per the cloning technique in my Cloning for SIP/Swick link in my sig.

 

[Ramblinrose1965]

I just caught up on your journal. It will be interesting to see your thoughts on Geoflora vs Megacrop. If you don't trim the leaves back on your bubble clones your success rate will drastically improve.

Leaf trimming is for domed soil cloning, full leaves for undomed bubble/aerocloning.

I actually have a good cloning demo in my signature, and am currently raising fresh clones in my Geespot link. Both done with aerocloning. 12 days in soil, 22" tall for the current run. It was done as per the cloning technique in my Cloning for SIP/Swick link in my sig.

Wow Gee I did not know that about trimming the leaves. Thanks! I will certainly check that link in your signature. Have a great day my good man.

 

[Gee64]

Wow Gee I did not know that about trimming the leaves. Thanks! I will certainly check that link in your signature. Have a great day my good man.

My experiences tell me you should get proficient at both soil cloning and aero/bubble cloning as some strains really seem to prefer one way, and others the other way, and some will root either way.

The beauty of bubble/aero is it drops into a bottom watered environment really well with no hardening off period. You just soak the soil and as it dries down the clone hardens itself without detriment.

That way you can clone straight into your final container. I drop clones into 7 or 10gal pots all the time. Thats hard to do if you need to dome the clone, plus in a SIP, it gets the roots to the reservoir much quicker.

I prefer conventional pots as I like cloth bags, but the tutorial was done for a Swick. When you see it you will see how it's SIP friendly, even in a common 5gal SIP pail.