Seed Madness Medical Grow by The Butcher

Re: 420 Consumer Reports - Seed Madness Medical Grow by The Butcher

The Butcher said:
I'm going to give as much detail as I can. In my last journal some, I didn't as much as I will here. This will be very detailed, plus I'm going to be sure and let everyone know when Seedmadness has sales. Hopefully, they will have some on the chosen strains. If so, then it can be a great opportunity for everyone to get the strains. If not then maybe after or around harvest they will. Which I think would be a great time to acquire the souvenir strains. This is just a thought at this point though, as time get closer or goes on we'll see. I'll be sure to keep everyone updated on whats going with sales and new strains the carry. :ganjamon:
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i want that F.O.G. strain real bad. i also want that Rainbow kush. ive always been scared to buy seeds on line and plus everyone seem to be getting males from their fem seeds and its a waist of time at the end, so ive always stuck with clones.

The good news is i can get the Best Fem selected from seeds in the original breeder's pack Whitewidow from Green house seed company, but some how its a Black widow now? dont really understand? says the company is Black Widow version from Mr. nice.

i am also keeping my eye on the Grat3ful H3ad Casey Jones witch i can get clones of. but i am still leaning towards the WW because its a legend and won the most cups. i have never grown either and never smoked CJ before so i dont know potency and yield? but from what ive seen it yields allot.
 
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Long story short, is that when Shantibaba left greenhouse seeds he took the original cut with him. Now this story has been around for years and has been validated. So for this very reason I always suggest to use Mr.Nice for all your widow needs. Yeah it can be more expensive, however it worth it. Trust me I've grown out clones and other beans from other companies that have the Widow including GHS, but its just not the same. Maybe its just me in my mind but Mr.Nice Black Widow (((BLEW))) away all others in look and potency. Again this can just be me being the stoner that I am, but it was the best of the bunch.

And I've read the story be hind that G.H.C.Jones, its a pretty interesting story. Great one at that. Reminds me of the old Chemdog one. When I can't make up my mind, I get both. Keep the cuttings around but just as the mom gets big I cut a few clones root em out, pick a new mom and toss the rest. This is just to have the strain around till I'm ready to play with it. This is how I can keep a big variety of strains without having to keep a huge stock of large mothers. Let the clone grow 5 or 6 nice sized branches that are perfect for cloning them toss it when I'm done. Just a suggestion though :ganjamon:
 
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The Butcher said:
Long story short, is that when Shantibaba left greenhouse seeds he took the original cut with him. Now this story has been around for years and has been validated. So for this very reason I always suggest to use Mr.Nice for all your widow needs. Yeah it can be more expensive, however it worth it. Trust me I've grown out clones and other beans from other companies that have the Widow including GHS, but its just not the same. Maybe its just me in my mind but Mr.Nice Black Widow (((BLEW))) away all others in look and potency. Again this can just be me being the stoner that I am, but it was the best of the bunch.

And I've read the story be hind that G.H.C.Jones, its a pretty interesting story. Great one at that. Reminds me of the old Chemdog one. When I can't make up my mind, I get both. Keep the cuttings around but just as the mom gets big I cut a few clones root em out, pick a new mom and toss the rest. This is just to have the strain around till I'm ready to play with it. This is how I can keep a big variety of strains without having to keep a huge stock of large mothers. Let the clone grow 5 or 6 nice sized branches that are perfect for cloning them toss it when I'm done. Just a suggestion though :ganjamon:
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cool thanks for the info. always great to here a pro's detail on strains and company's. when i come to pick my next strain for the next grow i will hit you up and give u a list to see what u think. but the BW seems to be the best from what ive read. and thats the true company to go with. i really want to see how potent the BW can get with leds? leds seem to grow some killer quality buds. some of the biggest buds ive seen on plants are WW. i also really want to get my hands on my old strain i use to grow. Northern lights#5, that strain was the shit grow fat ass buds and very potent. i miss here. i will be back to the XJ-13 again soon she is a great plant to grow and hardly no leaves. that a big deal to me less trimming and pure buds.

i came across this strain called Hawaiian Haze Goo, from what i read its very very potent and blows every ones mind with THC around 20% if done right. but ive heard Haze plants flower for a long time around 13 weeks? u know anything about that?
 
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Yeah just about all haze strains do, that and Thai as well. But in all honesty I've realized that with long flowering times comes short veg. So in my honest opinion, it evens out.

Think about it; say you have a haze plant that flowers 12 weeks, but grows very tall. Your naturally going to cut the veg period by if anything half your normal veg time. Say that would be 4 weeks so now your down to a 2 week veg; due to a big stretch from the haze genetics. So now technically your down to a 10 week flowering plant with nice sized colas, and a smell to match. So its not that bad, do you remember my mother Rainbow Kush going 16 weeks, now that was crazy. So if I can deal with a plant flowering 16 weeks you'll be all good. You have mad skills and unbelievable knowledge and experience with LED's :adore:, I truly feel no matter what strain you grab you'll make it work. :ganjamon:
 
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Thanks for the detailed version ;).

The bottom line is whether our seeds germinate or not, not how we go about it, so yeah, why change what's working well for you?

Do you just use your fingers to handle the sprout?
 
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Setting Sun said:
Thanks for the detailed version ;).

The bottom line is whether our seeds germinate or not, not how we go about it, so yeah, why change what's working well for you?

Do you just use your fingers to handle the sprout?
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I do use my fingers to handle them. The benefit of having the sprouts in soil is that the stems harden very quickly, which allows for easy handling. Don't get me wrong the roots are still susceptible to breaking, however I've compared this tech with a different one. And the result have always favored in the "Oldman" method. I seem to be worried the most about the tap root rather then the fingers growing out off of it. (if that makes sense) The tap root along with the stem stays hard as a rock. The one thing that I must emphasize is that the growers hands be clean a can be prior to digging around in the soil. I've seen people bring outside issues into the sprouts environment due to having contact with other gardens or just flat out being lazy and not cleansing prior to working with the seedlings. But it all the method had been very effective, and thus far has me convinced the Oldman is the Dali Lama of growing. :ganjamon:
 
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The Butcher said:
Yeah just about all haze strains do, that and Thai as well. But in all honesty I've realized that with long flowering times comes short veg. So in my honest opinion, it evens out.

Think about it; say you have a haze plant that flowers 12 weeks, but grows very tall. Your naturally going to cut the veg period by if anything half your normal veg time. Say that would be 4 weeks so now your down to a 2 week veg; due to a big stretch from the haze genetics. So now technically your down to a 10 week flowering plant with nice sized colas, and a smell to match. So its not that bad, do you remember my mother Rainbow Kush going 16 weeks, now that was crazy. So if I can deal with a plant flowering 16 weeks you'll be all good. You have mad skills and unbelievable knowledge and experience with LED's :adore:, I truly feel no matter what strain you grab you'll make it work. :ganjamon:
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its truly nice to have someone like you to talk to because your the master when it comes to strains. the one and only i trust to really know what ur talking about.

you have a very good point on the shorter veg time equals a balance flowering time. this is one reason why i wanted to grow the XJ-13 again, because it stretched so much that now on i know i could veg her for 2 weeks the most and be perfect on finish hight. instead of vegging for 4 weeks.

i am going to try my hardest to get the Black Widow, because i miss smoking on the Widow its one of the most sexy strains if grown right. ive done allot of reading and many people say to leave the Widow strain in the dark for 2 weeks before harvest and she will be a frosty as it gets do u know anything about this? some also say cut the lights on time to only 8 hrs the last few weeks.

i was going to say some time you should try that Green Fuse Bloom it will truly make your buds frost up like no other, i will swear by that stuff! ive seen with and with out and trust me it makes a big difference. everything about quality improves big time. some of those sexy strains you have would love that stuff and you will never not use it again.. Greenfuse® Bloom Stimulator® Organic Plant Biostimulators
 
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Thanks for the heads up on the nutrient. I'm DEFINITELY going to try the stuff out :thankyou:.

As for the Widow in the dark for 2 weeks, in all honesty that kinda sounds a lil to crazy for my taste. I've done 3 days and the effect kicked my a*s for sure:goodjob:. 3 days is good for me, you can go longer, but one must keep in mind that Cannabis has a 3 day window of opportunity to harvest at maximum potency, thus the 3 days of dark. But there have been time in which I've checked the trichs and it was to far along to dive a dark period, so I pulled it.

When deciding on a dark period and how long, you always want to factor in the cloudy/amber ratio into the mix. If you pull 25/75 then you'll more then likely end up with a 50/50-60/40 ratio, giving you a lil more of a body effect. So 2 weeks may push it past the point of its prime. Unfortunately, some growers mistake a couch-lock effect for increase in potency, whereas its really the trichs getting to a 0/100% amber ratio. This is all good, thats if your shooting for that effect. I like your idea of the additive to increase the trichs as opposed to a 2 week dark period.:tokin:

This is my theory on the Black Widow: I pull at a ratio of 30/70-40/60, then give a dark period of 24-72 hours. This depends on the patients needs, for my cancer patients I would pull 40-60 then a dark period of 3 days. This gives them the perfect mix for their ill effects. I do separate the lowers however, the reasoning is that when I give them it in a separate batch, this allows them to use the lowers as a medication that keeps them eat and stay up:smokin2:, due to now having such a heavy body effect. Whereas the tops allow them to sleep better:tokin:, despite their pain.

I hope this gives you some insite on the harveting traits of the Black Widow. I've been looking through vendors who have the strain available, haven't found one yet. You'll be the first to know once I've located them.:yummy:
 
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The Butcher said:
Thanks for the heads up on the nutrient. I'm DEFINITELY going to try the stuff out :thankyou:.

As for the Widow in the dark for 2 weeks, in all honesty that kinda sounds a lil to crazy for my taste. I've done 3 days and the effect kicked my a*s for sure:goodjob:. 3 days is good for me, you can go longer, but one must keep in mind that Cannabis has a 3 day window of opportunity to harvest at maximum potency, thus the 3 days of dark. But there have been time in which I've checked the trichs and it was to far along to dive a dark period, so I pulled it.

When deciding on a dark period and how long, you always want to factor in the cloudy/amber ratio into the mix. If you pull 25/75 then you'll more then likely end up with a 50/50-60/40 ratio, giving you a lil more of a body effect. So 2 weeks may push it past the point of its prime. Unfortunately, some growers mistake a couch-lock effect for increase in potency, whereas its really the trichs getting to a 0/100% amber ratio. This is all good, thats if your shooting for that effect. I like your idea of the additive to increase the trichs as opposed to a 2 week dark period.:tokin:

This is my theory on the Black Widow: I pull at a ratio of 30/70-40/60, then give a dark period of 24-72 hours. This depends on the patients needs, for my cancer patients I would pull 40-60 then a dark period of 3 days. This gives them the perfect mix for their ill effects. I do separate the lowers however, the reasoning is that when I give them it in a separate batch, this allows them to use the lowers as a medication that keeps them eat and stay up:smokin2:, due to now having such a heavy body effect. Whereas the tops allow them to sleep better:tokin:, despite their pain.

I hope this gives you some insite on the harveting traits of the Black Widow. I've been looking through vendors who have the strain available, haven't found one yet. You'll be the first to know once I've located them.:yummy:
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very nice write up:thumb: as always your details are the best. and i agree i think 2 weeks is a bit crazy and i would be afraid on missing that window. no like you said 72 hours is great in some cases.

if you use allot of hydro you can use the B Cuzz flower stimulator also its not 100% organic like the Green Fuse its actually half synthetic and half organic or something like that? any ways its works the same and green fuse. see i have a buddy that been testing all kinds of different nutes for 8 yrs our other friend own a hydro shop so he gets them for free to test out and let him know so he know's what works best. so i get to see some cool additives being used. he will never do a grow without the Green fuse after seeing 4 different side x side with 4 different strains. that stuff is the shit!! but in DWC ive heard GF works great but i would think the B Cuzz would work better since its not all organic. now the GF roots additives is also a great product makes so fast bad ass roots, the only think is dont waist ur money on their vegg stuff i dont think its the big of a deal.
 
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I'll more then likely try it out on a mall set up first then go from there. I like to run a smaller system for trial rune. Its a 4 bucket DWC system that is for the trail stuff. When I do experiment with it, I use clones that go into flower after 3-5 days max. Just to get the roots exposed to the larger home. Once I get it tarted on the next experiment I'll post some pict's. I think this next one will be using the FPFcfl light that I built.

I just popped off 2 Auto Snow Ryder x Auto Lemon Skunk to join the other ladies in the flowering room so that will be a total of 4. These beans were gifted to me by a great friend & one hell of a grower. Its suppose to be a 10 weeks strain, but we'll see. The grower bred this strain, so this is a test run..I think..I got to let the breeder know whats going on. As long as the beans make it past the first week then its all good. I just my have to give the B Cuzz a try with it. Maybe one with and one without, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
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Can't wait for the action!! Had to drop by and sub. Looks like alot of fun and learning is on the way. You the man. +reps
 
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thanks..I'm waiting on getting my camera out the shop. I was told it will be out this week, so as soon as I get it out UPDATE!! :yahoo:

Not much going on, just seedlings turning into babies.

I will be updating on the trail run in the room itself, I got 2 moms flowering in the room.

One Black Mist and one Bubba Kush. Lookin good just finishing week 1 of flowering, so hairs are just starting to show. :cheertwo:

The good thing is the test run will help keep us all seeing some good bud porn till' the sprouts are nice and big to start flowering. :blunt:
 
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Its my own cross, heres the linage:

Black Mist = Black Widow x Super Silver Haze x Kali Mist

Heres some pict's of her:
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Check this you'll like it, buds growing on fan leafs :yahoo:

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Sounds and looks yummy! So how can I go about swinging by and grabbing myself a quick cut? :cheesygrinsmiley: JK! Nice!
 
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Beautiful plants, Butcher. Looks like she's got a little bit of KM's foxtailing in her too. I was just on the Mr. Nice Seeds site today myself. Will have to pick up some BW, SSH, and CM when I rebuild my garden...

Great Genetics + A First Class Breeder = One Kickass Strain. ;)

:goodjob: +Reps!

-TL
 
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:thankyou: I really want to get them out, but as for now it would have to be in clone form.

Yes seeds are available, just not to the general public. I've procrastinated on putting the cuttings out.

Why? Couldn't tell you, there are a few peeps who I Will without a doubt are planning to give them too, thats once I've reached their area here in the state.

I went through recent move and lost a couple hybrids of her, thats OK though. I've got some beans of her new cross cooking right now, but thats for the Breeding journal. Sorry I haven't updated it in a while, had a lot of issues the past few months. but if you check out either The Butcher's Slaughter or The Butcher's Pride then you'll see hwe as she grew. And for her new crosses they are in th breeding journal. Their: Purple Widow x Black Mist And Black Mist x 96 Bubba Kush.
 
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:bravo:gotta love it haze widow with a kali twist that like tens across the board as for mr nice guy he has a great documentry of his life
 
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