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Second Grow Ever!
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No one is laughing. Trust me. There is few and many wish on healthy plants
Emilya Green
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Lisa, this text right here tells me that you are an overwaterer, and that was why I was asking about humidity and such, because your plants are drooping just like an overwatered plant with damaged roots would droop. When you said above that your plants looked like they were lacking water and then watered based on that, I suspected that I was right. Without a lot of experience, just looking at the plant usually is not enough to tell a beginning gardener of weeds when it is time to water.
First, these are not garden vegetables, they just don't grow the same and you can't read them the same. Please look up the lift the pot method of determining the water level in the container, and please take it as gospel that you need to let these weeds dry out all the way to the bottom between waterings. If you haven't already, please read my "how to water properly" articles linked in my signature lines, so you can hear about the wet/dry cycle and how to manage it. Trying hard to help..
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Well, that certainly is true in veg as we're trying to build a proper root structure, but now that she is in flower with that plant it is unlikely to be building much more in the way of roots. Given that situation, should she not at this stage simply be giving the plant what it wants to get it through harvest and hopefully learn the lesson for the next round?First, these are not garden vegetables, they just don't grow the same and you can't read them the same. Please look up the lift the pot method of determining the water level in the container, and please take it as gospel that you need to let these weeds dry out all the way to the bottom between waterings. If you haven't already, please read my "how to water properly" articles linked in my signature lines, so you can hear about the wet/dry cycle and how to manage it. Trying hard to help..
Maybe lighter, more frequent waterings much like you do with new seedlings, is in order to bring the grow across the finish line. She's not likely to be able to repair the damaged root system at this point, but no need to give up on the plant, and I'm not sure letting the pot fully dry out at this point is going to help much. It would get oxygen down low but I'd bet there's not much of a root system down there to take advantage of it.
When she does water the plant perks up so there are some roots to work with. Not an ideal situation, but this is where she is. I'd bet the other suspected nutrient issues are related to the lack of roots being able to provide the nutrients that are likely there in the pot to the plant. So, at this point, maybe treat the upper 3-4 inches of the pot as if it were the entire thing and water once that section dries out?
Don't know. But that's what I would do.
Emilya Green
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Even a flowering plant can benefit from allowing oxygen to get down to the lowest roots and I do this myself every 4th watering while in bloom by letting my blooming plants get dry all the way to the bottom of the container. Yes, you can push more water at a blooming plant who has developed a great root system earlier on, but trying to throw more water at a blooming plant that has a damaged lower root system is just going to cause trouble. This is what I think has happened here... chronic overwatering has caused most of the lower roots to shut down by now and the plant is unable to develop the lift that it needs after the water table hits mid container or so. Even now, by letting the lower roots repair themselves by forcing them to dry out between waterings, this growing situation can be improved. Failing to adjust for what is going on here is just going to cause further decline in the health of this plant, and the eventual yield. The plant can be saved, but something different needs to be done... status quo is not cutting it.
The reason the plant perks up after a watering is that the only really active roots are in the top of the container, the top spreader roots, and as the water passes by them, the plant is temporarily able to develop some water pressure in the trunk and gain some lift... but as soon as the water table drops below these top roots, the lower roots are still underwater and still needing oxygen, and the plant no longer can develop the trunk water pressure that it needs.
The reason the plant perks up after a watering is that the only really active roots are in the top of the container, the top spreader roots, and as the water passes by them, the plant is temporarily able to develop some water pressure in the trunk and gain some lift... but as soon as the water table drops below these top roots, the lower roots are still underwater and still needing oxygen, and the plant no longer can develop the trunk water pressure that it needs.
So you think those roots can be repaired. Interesting. I thought that once you got past the stretch period in flower that you had mostly all of the roots you were going to get, and that any damage to the existing roots would not be so easily repaired since new root formation had basically ceased.
In attempting to implement this, do you let the pot dry completely so the bottom roots dry out, or is the minimal watering up top the better strategy to keep those top roots relatively healthy?
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That makes total sense. I will say this morning they look great. The leaves are no longer drooping and the color is even better.
I really appreciate everyone trying to help. It’s a bit frustrating doing everything u think is right only to come up against problem after problem. I hope I have a handle on it now.. I will however wait until plant is dry dry before I water again.
I really appreciate everyone trying to help. It’s a bit frustrating doing everything u think is right only to come up against problem after problem. I hope I have a handle on it now.. I will however wait until plant is dry dry before I water again.
Emilya Green
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Repairing roots that are already there is different than trying to grow new roots. Yes, most of the roots have been formed already in veg and stretch, but those roots now are protecting themselves from the water with a special coating, so that they can get back to work once the flood waters recede. This is a survival mechanism of this plant, and as soon as those roots see oxygen, the process will reverse.
So as to keep metabolism high and to be able to continue feeding the plant, minimal watering should be done every 3 days to water only the top third of the container, where the spreader roots are at. After two or three "top waterings" the lower roots should be able to finally drain the water in the bottom and pull some oxygen down deep. Two or three rounds of this two stage watering should be able to revive the feeder roots at the bottom and get this grow back on track.
This will certainly be an interesting case study. Here's hoping you've righted the ship and can bring it home in style!
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I’m hoping right along with you.
That's more encouraging than the scenario I envisioned where they had essentially dried up or rotted away and could no longer be of value to the plant.
This sounds like a great strategy to try to revive her.
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Which one is the Blue Dream??
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Here’s todays picsTrippinTerpenes
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Hello, everyone
I’m new to this page and had a couple questions. This is my first time running Gaia green dry amendments and I’m kinda struggling. I did a soil mix and I’m currently in (1 gals)growing in 75% promix HP soil with 25% earth worm castings along with Gaia green 4-4-4 all purpose during veg and plan on using the 2-8-4 powder bloom during flower. My plants are experiencing lock out and haven’t grown since I transplanted them about 5 days ago because they where looking deficient in cal/mag and Nitrogen. I want to use some cal/mag but I’m unsure if it will hurt my plants more based on the nutrients I’m using?
I’m new to this page and had a couple questions. This is my first time running Gaia green dry amendments and I’m kinda struggling. I did a soil mix and I’m currently in (1 gals)growing in 75% promix HP soil with 25% earth worm castings along with Gaia green 4-4-4 all purpose during veg and plan on using the 2-8-4 powder bloom during flower. My plants are experiencing lock out and haven’t grown since I transplanted them about 5 days ago because they where looking deficient in cal/mag and Nitrogen. I want to use some cal/mag but I’m unsure if it will hurt my plants more based on the nutrients I’m using?
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Hey there! Im
Pretty new to growing myself. I don’t normally feed my seedlings until I transplant to their forever pots. I found that happy frog does the job until then.
I would ask what makes you think they are lacking cal/mag and Nitrogen?
If you had some pics it would make it easier for someone to let you know what was going on.
Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful but I don’t want to give you the wrong advice.
Pretty new to growing myself. I don’t normally feed my seedlings until I transplant to their forever pots. I found that happy frog does the job until then.
I would ask what makes you think they are lacking cal/mag and Nitrogen?
If you had some pics it would make it easier for someone to let you know what was going on.
Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful but I don’t want to give you the wrong advice.
Hey TT,
Maybe start a journal and post some pics there. I've never run the Gaia Green, but if you put that in the thread title it may attract others who could give you specific advice.
TrippinTerpenes
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They are super short and stalky and some have a little browning on the leaves. I’m not gunna lie either I did burn them when I first started so that could also be part of the problem.
