RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL's

Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Hello Mr. K! thanks for the advice and encouragement...I'm no dummy, and I've been growing plants and veggies all my life, just never grew cannabis more than a few times and they only got about a foot high..I was so curious to see a plant in person, so I'd throw my seeds out in the dirt, or stick them in the houseplants and forget them, till my wife is yelling my name from across the apt...then I know what she found, little seedlings! Yeah, I didn't use the box when I got the first batch cut, and I live in the high desert...like 11-12% humidity here! Things outside mummify if left out! lol! But seriously, we have NO extra room, only a bathroom I had to use at the time...And I cut the whole plant at once and hung it upside down for like 3 days, and I didn't remove any fans till after the first day or 2 or 3 of drying...I thought that was how I was supposed to go slow....Now I feel like I can't trust my memory...Should i be surprised at that? I'm not......Anyways, I hate to waste all this stuff! Do you think I can still make canna-oil? Or what CAN I do with stuff tats so-so. Like I said, I DID do a smoke report back then, and it does smoke okay, just so very very light, light someone filtered it or something, that's all. I used it in the vape too, and it was a little better of course...thats why I just wanted to get the chlorophyl out, so I don't have that extra taste...But also, what do you do with the herbal material after it's been used in the vape...I keep hearing people swear that we can use it then for canna-products...I don't know WHAT to believe! Everyone's got their own opinion...But I DO trust my friends like you on here...I got that brownie recipe that takes the sugar leafs and I guess I put it into an oven cooking bag, and cook it on low heat for a while, then take it out and let it cool, THEN and ONLY THEN would I be able to open the bag, and I gotta remember what I do next....hmmmmm gotta go get that recipe... I'd rather have canna-oil and butter than just trying to make brownie batches with chewy herb in it...I forgot about those skinny Sativa leaves....what had me feeling that way is that top cola, how it is so spread out, you know the buds, they aren't all long skinny colas like Indicas, Sativas look like they are smaller in length, but have fatter colas on the top or spaced out on their limbs. Do you think I should do a "water cure" on the stuff to remove the smell? Or should I just cook it up in some canna-oil or cana-butter? And do you know about the filter situation? As in whether I can use the paper filter or do I really have to save up 15$ on the 3rd, (if I even GET my check!!! :whoa::surrender::yikes:)

And thanks for the link, I will go check that out before I post anything of myself disguised..I am a legal card-holding patient here, and authorized to grow my own, but I still want privacy, you know?

Thanks for your help again...You're the man!:thanks::thanks::high-five:

RVG, your desert environment probably explains it. Typically drying takes something like 4-7 days at about 50% humidity. If you were 3-4 days (or more!) at 11% RH, they probably got too dry to cure.

You can still do a water cure and it will remove the chlorophyl taste, or you could also use it for edibles. If you have enough, I'd recommend taking 1/2 of it (or some portion) and trying the WC. Then, if it works out well, you can do the rest. If not, you can use the whole batch for edibles.

You can also use the AVB ("Already Vaped Bud", sometimes called "ABV" for "Already Been Vaped") for edibles, too. The vape does not extract 100% of the THC, and I use my AVB for making cannaoil. I just filer mine through a regular metal kitchen strainer (thin mesh), but, as XLR8 mentioned, pantyhose, cheesecloth, etc. would work fine. I you could probably use a coffee filter, but it would take the oil quite some time to work its way through, so I'd try for the cheesecloth. :goodluck:
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

i have to agree with Kip and Xlr8
with the drying.... it doesnt mean you did it wrong... just a lesson! your bud is normaly ready to jar when you can easly snap your stem....
on how to do it.... as you said every one does it differently.... i honestly think that there isnt much of a difference.... hang it whole or hang it as seperate branches you get the same effect as either way the plant will be pulling "Stored Sugars" to use in the conversion of CBD to THC.
another thing could be that it was schwag bag seed... there are such things as just bad strains/Phenos....how good the plant can be isnt always controlled by the environment.
im sure u remember the good ol ditch weed!
as For "AVB" as kip called it :) YES USE THAT AVB IN EDIBLES!!!
here are my reasons.....Thc is not the chemical that necessarily helps with your pain
im sure you have heard them mentioned... CBD, CDN, all of these other wonderful things ARE your anti-inflammatory, pain releif, anti-anxiety etc.
when you vape you are getting mainly THC and some of the other components... but there is still some left.. so Y not i say!... like i said i think it just gives my cooking a slight Peanut flavor.
you shouldnt have any problem with cooking with your harvest it will work well, and the WC would definitely take some chlorophyll taste.
Xena looks frosty, got to agree with kip, looks heavy indica.
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

i have to agree with Kip and Xlr8
with the drying.... it doesnt mean you did it wrong... just a lesson! your bud is normaly ready to jar when you can easly snap your stem....
on how to do it.... as you said every one does it differently.... i honestly think that there isnt much of a difference.... hang it whole or hang it as seperate branches you get the same effect as either way the plant will be pulling "Stored Sugars" to use in the conversion of CBD to THC.
another thing could be that it was schwag bag seed... there are such things as just bad strains/Phenos....how good the plant can be isnt always controlled by the environment.
im sure u remember the good ol ditch weed!
as For "AVB" as kip called it :) YES USE THAT AVB IN EDIBLES!!!
here are my reasons.....Thc is not the chemical that necessarily helps with your pain
im sure you have heard them mentioned... CBD, CDN, all of these other wonderful things ARE your anti-inflammatory, pain releif, anti-anxiety etc.
when you vape you are getting mainly THC and some of the other components... but there is still some left.. so Y not i say!... like i said i think it just gives my cooking a slight Peanut flavor.
you shouldnt have any problem with cooking with your harvest it will work well, and the WC would definitely take some chlorophyll taste.
Xena looks frosty, got to agree with kip, looks heavy indica.

Shaggie, I tried to give you +reps just for agreeing with me (and the additional great info!), but apparently I need to spread it around more first, so best I could do was a "Like". :)
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

RVG my dear, something to brighten your day I hope:

Very truthful words, Propa my friend,
"Clones" intimidate people , so propagations never begin.
Magical it is not, but many do fear,
to cut off a few branches, and wait for strong roots to appear.
From the seed comes life, but do not woe,
for blades and cloning gel are never your foe.
A snip here and there, and a clone is born,
a few months later, and an album of bud porn.
So to all there is only one last thing to say,
Propogate from a cutting, and try "cloning" some day.

-Peace and God bless, GT

That is a poem I wrote earlier on my friend stevehman's journal, lol, my try at poetry atleast.

Mr. K, tried to rep shag for ya, said I had to spread it too, then tried rep you, gotta spread, lol...so, "likes" from me too, lol!!!
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Hello XLR8! How are you doing bro? Thanks for stopping in on me again. I hope that you and your crop are doing well. Yes, I am starting to get my confidence up again, and I'm feeling better than I have in over 2 weeks. That's why i am catching up on my buddies' journals and such...
It was SO COOL that you sent this when you did, cuz I was still on here, and I refreshed the page, the new mssg. from you came up, and my wife had just called from the store to ask if we needed anything, so BINGO! I said, YES! Cheesecloth please! So I just got some! I guess I will look at some you tube videos to see how this is supposed to be done. I can take it and drape it over my large Pyrex measuring cup and then let it drip thru, then when it's almost gone thru, I suppose I have to grab it up and twist it and squeeze as hard as possible I think, right? Or can you direct me to a place on 420mag that will have these directions...

I'm going to use those Pot Brownies recipe directions that call for the box of mix, that uses about a half oz or so of herb, and it also tells me to take the herb, and put it in a oven cooking bag flat on a cookie sheet, bake it at 210 degrees for exactly 20 minutes, then pull it out and you let the bag cool completely before you open the bag, so as not to lose the THC that was released in the heat...then I guess I would grind it up, but I only have a mortar and pestle to do it with...We can't use or buy another coffee grinder either just yet, so we have to do it ourselves...

Thank you so much, X, for helping me again! You're an angel...and I am really thankful for all the help you've given me...I only hope to be half as helpful as you are someday to others, and that would be a HUGE accomplishment! I can try...and I will.
So I gotta go find out how to prep the schwag for cooking in the bag...I don't know if I have to grind it all up into flour first, or if I leave it in it's current state, and after cooking in the bag, THEN grind it up...I have about an OZ and a half of both "sugar leaves" that were trimmed off the buds when it was harvested, and the buds themselves, combined. So I will give everyone a report on the whole affair and how it all turned out, etc...

Okay, off I go, so take care my dear friend, I appreciate all your awesome help...I wish you happy harvests forever!:thanks::yahoo::thanks::adore::Namaste:
Hi RVG - Do you have a cheesecloth or something to strain with? I used that last time and it worked really well. It's also pretty cheap. Pantyhose? Nylons? A paper coffee filter would probably work. I just want to be careful to recommend things that I KNOW will work for you, and I've had good luck with a metal coffee filter and cheesecloth for straining. The dollar store near me has flour sacks that would work like cheesecloth. :goodluck:

Mr. Krip had some good theories, and I've also had weed that wasn't burped appropriately taste like hay a bit. Not sure if you have that going on or not. Depending on the moisture, I usually don't have to burp much after the first week or two, but everyone has a different situation when it comes to humidity and drying in general.

Hope you are well! Peace and love --

X
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

WOW! everyone! You all are so awesome!!! Yes, I have saved all the herb that was vaped, so I have about a half Oz or more of that to use too. I just need to figure out how exactly the process will work. I have to go do some more studying, and then I will be ready to take my clones from Jackie in a month or so, and I think I am going to try to take them straight into a 12/12 cycle, right into flower, if I can...
I am really going to be needing all your guidance, that is from ALL my buddies out there, not just you alone, on the cloning....And I know you will all be there when I do ask for help...
Many Bright Green Blessings to you my dear friend! :thanks::circle-of-love::green_heart:


P.S. HELP!!! Can someone please explain how I can "give reps" please?! I have no clue, couldn't find out anything about it in the website so far, and I need to properly thank you all who have taken your time to help me, a total stranger...For that, I would really like to be able to give these "reps" and any other way of doing something like that, that thanks people that help you, or maybe you are just so impressed with their grow, that you want to give them these "reps"...so if anyone can explain how, the details and "etiquitte" that I should observe so that I can properly give "reps", I would be totally stoked!!! mucho mucho thanks to you again. RVG
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

WOW! everyone! You all are so awesome!!! Yes, I have saved all the herb that was vaped, so I have about a half Oz or more of that to use too. I just need to figure out how exactly the process will work. I have to go do some more studying, and then I will be ready to take my clones from Jackie in a month or so, and I think I am going to try to take them straight into a 12/12 cycle, right into flower, if I can...
I am really going to be needing all your guidance, that is from ALL my buddies out there, not just you alone, on the cloning....And I know you will all be there when I do ask for help...
Many Bright Green Blessings to you my dear friend! :thanks::circle-of-love::green_heart:


P.S. HELP!!! Can someone please explain how I can "give reps" please?! I have no clue, couldn't find out anything about it in the website so far, and I need to properly thank you all who have taken your time to help me, a total stranger...For that, I would really like to be able to give these "reps" and any other way of doing something like that, that thanks people that help you, or maybe you are just so impressed with their grow, that you want to give them these "reps"...so if anyone can explain how, the details and "etiquitte" that I should observe so that I can properly give "reps", I would be totally stoked!!! mucho mucho thanks to you again. RVG

RVG, in the left (green) column of the post, at the bottom, there are three icons. The middle one will give +reps.
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Hello XLR8! How are you doing bro? Thanks for stopping in on me again. I hope that you and your crop are doing well. Yes, I am starting to get my confidence up again, and I'm feeling better than I have in over 2 weeks. That's why i am catching up on my buddies' journals and such...
It was SO COOL that you sent this when you did, cuz I was still on here, and I refreshed the page, the new mssg. from you came up, and my wife had just called from the store to ask if we needed anything, so BINGO! I said, YES! Cheesecloth please! So I just got some! I guess I will look at some you tube videos to see how this is supposed to be done. I can take it and drape it over my large Pyrex measuring cup and then let it drip thru, then when it's almost gone thru, I suppose I have to grab it up and twist it and squeeze as hard as possible I think, right? Or can you direct me to a place on 420mag that will have these directions...

I'm going to use those Pot Brownies recipe directions that call for the box of mix, that uses about a half oz or so of herb, and it also tells me to take the herb, and put it in a oven cooking bag flat on a cookie sheet, bake it at 210 degrees for exactly 20 minutes, then pull it out and you let the bag cool completely before you open the bag, so as not to lose the THC that was released in the heat...then I guess I would grind it up, but I only have a mortar and pestle to do it with...We can't use or buy another coffee grinder either just yet, so we have to do it ourselves...

Thank you so much, X, for helping me again! You're an angel...and I am really thankful for all the help you've given me...I only hope to be half as helpful as you are someday to others, and that would be a HUGE accomplishment! I can try...and I will.
So I gotta go find out how to prep the schwag for cooking in the bag...I don't know if I have to grind it all up into flour first, or if I leave it in it's current state, and after cooking in the bag, THEN grind it up...I have about an OZ and a half of both "sugar leaves" that were trimmed off the buds when it was harvested, and the buds themselves, combined. So I will give everyone a report on the whole affair and how it all turned out, etc...

Okay, off I go, so take care my dear friend, I appreciate all your awesome help...I wish you happy harvests forever!:thanks::yahoo::thanks::adore::Namaste:

Hi RV -- If you look back in your journal a page or two I think, I posted a link to my brownie recipe - it should be pretty thorough, and I believe it is exactly what you are referencing above with the oven cooking bag. Just go to the most updated post of mine regarding the best instructions for making the brownies. Grind it up first thing, and yes you have the exact idea for using the cheesecloth. You described it exactly how I did it. :goodluck:

Oh, and you are too kind, RV, but :thanks: a ton for the compliment. :)
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

i got to ask XLR8.... what are your reasons for baking your herb before processing it in the oil?

the reason i ask is the thought of heating it with our the oil to "catch" the melted Thc that it will get lost....
not to mention that if your doing it in a plastic bag than it can be getting lost in the plastic itself (petrolium products will absorb Thcas it is soluble in oil)
i could be missing something...
i make alot of edibles, i just use a double boiler and let it cook for 6 or more hours, its Way Potent.. in a batch of brownies that calls for 1 1/2 cup of oil i only use Maybe a 1/3 Cup of actual Cannaoil (had to figure out the right mix so they can be packaged for sale)

any ways! good luck on your wonderful baking adventure!
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

I have to agree with Shaggie on this one (and not just because he agreed with me a couple posts ago!). :rofl:

I've seen the "oven bag thing", but it doesn't make sense to me either. THC starts to vaporize at 350* F, which is why, when you make edibles, you need to cook them at a lower temp (you don't want to cook off the THC!).

The trichomes are oil soluable (they dissolve in oil and separate in water, which is why you can make cannaoil AND do ice water separation when making hash). When you make cannaoil, you heat the oil/butter at a low temp to simply act as a "catalyst" and speed up the reaction of the trichomes dissolving in the oil. I don't see how pre-heating the material in an oven bag could possibly help, but as long as you don't heat it above 325*F or so, it's probably not hurting anything.
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

I believe the purpose of putting it the oven is for decarbonization.

Decarboxylation -- or "Decarbing" Yes, that's the purpose. :)
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

i got to ask XLR8.... what are your reasons for baking your herb before processing it in the oil?

the reason i ask is the thought of heating it with our the oil to "catch" the melted Thc that it will get lost....
not to mention that if your doing it in a plastic bag than it can be getting lost in the plastic itself (petrolium products will absorb Thcas it is soluble in oil)
i could be missing something...
i make alot of edibles, i just use a double boiler and let it cook for 6 or more hours, its Way Potent.. in a batch of brownies that calls for 1 1/2 cup of oil i only use Maybe a 1/3 Cup of actual Cannaoil (had to figure out the right mix so they can be packaged for sale)

any ways! good luck on your wonderful baking adventure!

Hi Shaggie!

I wish I had more time to get into it more, but it does make a difference. I've only got a second, so I apologize for not getting into detail more. Start with google maybe and look up decarboxylation ("decarbing"). I didn't think it would matter much, but I think differently now. Also, Soy Lecithin seems to make a really big difference in bio-availability. My last brownies were so strong they were scary, and the only 2 differences were decarbing and soy lecithin. One or both mattered a lot, but I have reasons to think both. I wish I had more time to elaborate. X
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Decarboxylation -- or "Decarbing" Yes, that's the purpose. :)

Aaaaahhhhh...well that makes a little more sense to me, but unfortunately, only a little. I'm "somewhat" familliar with decarboxylation in the use of making tinctures, but since decarboxylation occurs at just over 220* F, I'm not sure it will do anything to help baked goods, since you're gonna be baking at 325* F, or so, the herb will decarb anyways. Am I missing something?

P.S. You certainly wouldn't need to decarb the ABV, right?

P.P.S. I do see value with decarbing herb for un-cooked/heated edibles
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

WOW! Thanks everyone for contributing all those awesome posts on this brownie subject, I love it! You are ALL so wonderful to me, like a huge group of super tight friends, we just haven't met yet..well, I assume most of us on here haven't met...we are spread all over the world! I love this place! It's my second home! lol!
Okay, well I just had to say thanks to y'all, and I decided to do it to you all at once, after that flurry of posts on the brownies...

Much much love to you all!
RVG
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Hey everyone! I'm making my brownies right now! Well, I'm actually making the CANNA-OIL that will go into the brownies.
I have exactly 2 cups of oil to make into Canna-oil, and I need 1/2 cup for each batch of brownies, so they may be REALLY strong!, lol, but then again, it says there should be "20 servings" from this box...It also is calling for a 13x9x2" pan, which I don't have. SOI have to improvise with a 14x10x2, just a little big, but I am going to line it with foil, and make it so I make the end shorter on one side, to take up the extra room, and then I should still get the proper thickness with the brownies, cuz I can't stand crispy stuff! I need soft, chewy brownies.
Anyways, BIG QUESTION HERE! If I am using 2 cups of oil, and all I have is 39.5 grsms of schwag before cleaning the stems and seeds out of the hermied buds still, so after cleaning, I hope to have about an OZ & a half...( I have an Oz & 3/4 right now).
So that's like 32 grams...does that sound like enough to be potent? I don't want to waste a batch, so PLEASE someone who has made canna-oil before, please tell me, is that enough??? I will be using 1/2 cup of oil in the brownie recipe....WOW! The ymay be some ass-kicking brownies I end up with! I hope so...I really need long-term pain control...

I'll be waiting here on the computer in the kitchen for the reply...
even a guess or any other idea/info is always appreciated!
Much love , RVG!
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

OKAY, I ended up with exactly 24 grams of fine shake material after I sifted it all out. I just dumped the whole amount into the pot with the 2 cups of oil in the double-boiler set-up, as they stated I should do...So now I am in the middle of cooking it slow and low, for an hour they say, but I put a thermometer in there to check the temp, and it's only up to 160 degrees...Is that too low to release the THC or CBD or whatever I am trying to do? I just turned it up just a tiny bit more...And I am about 20 or so minutes into the cooking process so far...
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Well, so after I turned it up just now, the temp went up to 180 degrees...Is that better? I sure hope one of you that knows the brownie recipe jumps online here and reads this soon and can answer me soon! THX! RVG :adore:
OKAY, I ended up with exactly 24 grams of fine shake material after I sifted it all out. I just dumped the whole amount into the pot with the 2 cups of oil in the double-boiler set-up, as they stated I should do...So now I am in the middle of cooking it slow and low, for an hour they say, but I put a thermometer in there to check the temp, and it's only up to 160 degrees...Is that too low to release the THC or CBD or whatever I am trying to do? I just turned it up just a tiny bit more...And I am about 20 or so minutes into the cooking process so far...
 
Re: RVgrower's Indoor Closet Grow: a Few N. Lights x Skunk & Some Bag Seeds Under CFL

Hi Shaggie!

I wish I had more time to get into it more, but it does make a difference. I've only got a second, so I apologize for not getting into detail more. Start with google maybe and look up decarboxylation ("decarbing"). I didn't think it would matter much, but I think differently now. Also, Soy Lecithin seems to make a really big difference in bio-availability. My last brownies were so strong they were scary, and the only 2 differences were decarbing and soy lecithin. One or both mattered a lot, but I have reasons to think both. I wish I had more time to elaborate. X

After doing a ton of research on decarboxylation for use in oils and baking, I have to say I stand corrected (sorry Shaggie!)!

It was a little tough finding the info, but here's a good article on decarbing and why it works even in making oils:

remarcable-recipe

Note to 420: I'm aware you do not permit posts to some sites, but I don't believe this is one of them. If by some chance it is, please fee free to delete/edit this post accordingly and accept my apologies! :)
 
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