Rifleman's Roost Open 24/7: Perpetually Perplexed

Lucas, I see great similarities between the two nutrient lines. Are you seeing the same on your end?

My thoughts too Sue. Last season I did a daily pH/ppm check on both nutrient lines for several weeks in a row. Different strains, different phenotypes of those strains, etc. The only real difference I found is that Advanced leaves much more dissolved solids (salts) in the root zone.

 
My thoughts too Sue. Last season I did a daily pH/ppm check on both nutrient lines for several weeks in a row. Different strains, different phenotypes of those strains, etc. The only real difference I found is that Advanced leaves much more dissolved solids (salts) in the root zone.


So, does it come down to which is the more cost-effective in your mind? Which line would that be?
 
So, does it come down to which is the more cost-effective in your mind? Which line would that be?

Well I got my Remo line at a pretty good price :) and when I mentioned it at the local store I was gifted a sample from them too. ;) But I'd say it depends on how deeply one is willing to buy into the Advanced Nutrients marketing and additives. If one buys everything they recommend up through the grand master level, then Advanced is the money draining king of cannabis. If anyone wants to hop in their way back machine, somewhere back in the double digits page numbers I think, I did a side by side Advanced m,g,b vs m,g,b + a boatload of their additives. Wash... Very few things past the basic m,g,b would I consider buying again.

I don't have enough experience with the Remo...yet, to know how little of it I can run and still maintain harvest minimums. Nor which items in their line I think one could do without. Biggest advantage I've seen with Remo is that even at full strength it doesn't "gunk up" a bucket like Advanced does at half strength. When I ran them against each other last year the Remo plants roots remained whiter for a longer time. Not to say they weren't brown at the end, but not as soon as Advanced.

So I reckon it comes down to; Less salts left in the buckets and rootzone...Remo. Cost...either or. Results at harvest...either or. Advertised pH perfect...Advanced. Which works without adjusting pH...both.

What will be replaced when I run out....Remo. Simple reason, I think with some tweaking I can bring down the amount salts in the rootzone even more, eventually achieving pearly white roots at harvest. :) Well that and I despise the way AN advertises and what they allowed to happen to their US distributors. :thedoubletake:

 
Well I got my Remo line at a pretty good price :) and when I mentioned it at the local store I was gifted a sample from them too. ;) But I'd say it depends on how deeply one is willing to buy into the Advanced Nutrients marketing and additives. If one buys everything they recommend up through the grand master level, then Advanced is the money draining king of cannabis. If anyone wants to hop in their way back machine, somewhere back in the double digits page numbers I think, I did a side by side Advanced m,g,b vs m,g,b + a boatload of their additives. Wash... Very few things past the basic m,g,b would I consider buying again.

I don't have enough experience with the Remo...yet, to know how little of it I can run and still maintain harvest minimums. Nor which items in their line I think one could do without. Biggest advantage I've seen with Remo is that even at full strength it doesn't "gunk up" a bucket like Advanced does at half strength. When I ran them against each other last year the Remo plants roots remained whiter for a longer time. Not to say they weren't brown at the end, but not as soon as Advanced.

So I reckon it comes down to; Less salts left in the buckets and rootzone...Remo. Cost...either or. Results at harvest...either or. Advertised pH perfect...Advanced. Which works without adjusting pH...both.

What will be replaced when I run out....Remo. Simple reason, I think with some tweaking I can bring down the amount salts in the rootzone even more, eventually achieving pearly white roots at harvest. :) Well that and I despise the way AN advertises and what they allowed to happen to their US distributors. :thedoubletake:


I love a man with a moral backbone. :hugs:
 
It's Monday morning and I've got the old place all to myself again. As good a time as any to let y'all know the status of this year's garden. :)

ManBearAlienPig Day 32
1) 19.5"
2) 26.25" day 12 of CS spray
3) 27"
4) 21.5"

Dark Devil Auto
1) day 8...still waiting on something more than the first node leaves which aren't even 1/4 inch long.
2) day 2...I've always hated how slow and small the dda starts out.
This is my 7 gallon wastebasket hempy experience. Both seeds cracked and we're planted at the same time. If either makes it to harvest I'll be surprised.

Stilton Special
1 through 3 are on day 6. #4 has yet to break ground. I dug up and cut open the Rapid Rooter, the seed is there with a nice tap root about an inch long. Buried it back and waiting. Just in case it doesn't pop up I've placed my last Stilton seed into germination. I'm reversing one of them for a seed run, so it won't hurt if I have one a week or two behind the others. <shrug>

This is the first time I've ever had a problem with seeds sprouting after successful germination. As much as I hate to say it, I think the babies are missing the extra heat from the old HPS and the Mars. :phew:

 
I've always hated how slow and small the dda starts out.

I've noticed that as well. Once they hit their stride, it's mighty pretty... but you wouldn't know it from their early growth. The SSDCs I grew were much beefier.


In my world, the magic zone for seed sprouting is right at 70f. I often can't do seeds for this reason. During the summer months the best I can hit is 80ish.
 
I've noticed that as well. Once they hit their stride, it's mighty pretty... but you wouldn't know it from their early growth. The SSDCs I grew were much beefier.
In my world, the magic zone for seed sprouting is right at 70f. I often can't do seeds for this reason. During the summer months the best I can hit is 80ish.


Same here Tead, the SSDC was much larger than the DDA parent. Didn't turn dark until right before harvest either. :)

70 deg is just about where I'm sitting temperature wise. The COBs don't put out enough heat for a weak little seed I'm afraid.

 
Day 33 and if you go back to the measurements from three days ago you'll see how hard they are stretching. I really dislike tall plants with long branches. It won't be long before I start the pipe cleaner fashion wars by making everyone bras to hold up their ample fruits. :)

1) 21"
2) 28.75" day 13 CS spray
3) 29"
4) 24"


1(L) 2(R)


3(L) 4(R)


L to R 1-4



The small tent has the Stilton Specials. 1 - 3 have just sprouted the second node. #4 has still not popped up, a replacement is germinating now. I'll drop some photos of them when they get larger.

I hope y'all have a spooky Halloween. Peace ! :peace:



 
Happy Halloween Rifleman. I think I'm gonna give dwc buckets a try. What's the easiest way to fill and empty the buckets, in your experience? Air stone in each bucket? Finally, and I just feel dumb for even asking, but when you add water to the reservoir what do you add? Plain water? Nutrient water that matches what you originally put in?
 
They are all looking very healthy Rifle.
Cheers.

I noticed your garden was pretty healthy too DW. I'm actually a little worried about yield with the new lights, time will tell I reckon. :)


Happy Halloween Rifleman. I think I’m gonna give dwc buckets a try. What’s the easiest way to fill and empty the buckets, in your experience? Air stone in each bucket? Finally, and I just feel dumb for even asking, but when you add water to the reservoir what do you add? Plain water? Nutrient water that matches what you originally put in?


Don't ever hesitate to ask me questions Arch. I'm more than happy to help if I can. That said, this is how I do it.

I have 4 buckets in a tent, each bucket begins with, and gets refilled to the four gallon mark as needed. Notice the tubes on the side of the buckets? I used a sharpie to mark it at 2, 3, and 4 gallons. Also notice my airlines running to the top of the tubes? Air is pumped into the tube, through the elbow fitting at the bottom, and directly into the bucket... no airstones. Remove the air hose and the water level rises in the tube and tells you how much has been consumed. To top off the buckets back to 4 gallons I add back plain water that has the pH adjusted around 6.0 I change my nutrient solution every week to ten days so I can get by with using plain water to top off.

The real PITA is water change days. I keep four more five gallon buckets outside the tent. They get filled to the top (7gal) on water change day. They sit out so the chlorine can evaporate off. This is where the top off water comes from during the week, and on water change days ea one is drawn down to 4 gallons and nutrients mixed in them. That's 8 buckets per tent if you're keeping track. WAIT...don't forget there is one more. :biglaugh: During the change and bucket cleaning I remove the netpot containing the plant from the growing bucket and place it into the empty bucket. I dump the growing bucket's remaining contents down the commode. Rinse and clean the growing bucket, pour the contents from the mixed bucket into the growing bucket, replace the plant, put the air hose back in. Do that four times per tent, two tents, 16 water filled buckets total. I'm sure there is an easier way, but I've worked out a routine that's easy for me to remember. But I'm old and smoke an awful lot of grass so it's hard for me to even remember my name most days. :passitleft:






EDIT: Wow...I can't believe I call myself a lazy gardener after reading this. :rofl:

 
Thanks so much buddy! That is solid gold info.

The buckets outside just get drawn from as needed during the week right?

I got another question, but I understand if you don't want to answer it haha!
Ph perfect( and the like) do you still ph it?
 
Thanks so much buddy! That is solid gold info.
The buckets outside just get drawn from as needed during the week right?
I got another question, but I understand if you don't want to answer it haha!
Ph perfect( and the like) do you still ph it?

That is correct on the outside the tent buckets. Soon each plant inside the tent will be drinking a gallon a day and I'll need all that extra water. That's why I fill the outside buckets so full, that way I always have water that has evaporated the chlorine, to top off or reservoir change.

As for Advanced Nutrients pH Perfect... I have run it both chasing pH and ignoring it altogether. I've come to a compromise between the two. I don't adjust pH in my growing buckets. I do(did) check it when I first fill a bucket, and occasionally just for kicks. However I've dialed in my growing to where I know what my tap water and nutrient mix is going to be ppm/pH wise. Therefore I only adjust the top off water before adding it to a grow bucket. And I don't really check that either, I just "know" that 1 to 1.5 ml pH down to one gallon gets me where my system likes to be, which is around 6.0 :)


 
I refuse to relinquish my "Laziest Grower Ever" title... but I can appreciate the challenge.

I think you just lost your title, ol' bud...

This is the SECOND time that I dropped multiple seeds to soak - and then completely forgot about them. I do this bonehead move, IDK, 100 more times and I'll be out of "named" seeds. But, more importantly, most of the strains in my catalog are only represented by one or two seeds each, so this kind of thing can be a real DUMB@SS move. And I know this!

I think that diagnoses of "lazy" can sometimes end up being misdiagnoses of "clinical depression," but still...

Ironically - and thankfully! - one of the seeds I wasted was a selfed DDA, and I have a few of them, so it's only a minor inconvenience and time-waster. Time to go teach another one to swim....
 
Somewhere there is some dude with the option of tossing a handful of seeds outside, and only coming back for harvest...oh how I envy that person. :smokin2:

I wouldn't. Been there, done that. A friend and I once broadcast, IDK, something like 200 "seed/compost balls" thinking we'd not worry about only being able to harvest 40 or 50 plants.

We ended up finding TWO. One of which was a male (and the other one - a female, thankfully - was close enough to get pollinated).

I think Johnny Appleseed must have begun his journey with half a million seeds. Or else most of them ended up in well-tended apple orchards instead of the woods.
 
The only real difference I found is that Advanced leaves much more dissolved solids (salts) in the root zone.

That's a difference worth noting (IMHO).

Aside from that, I'm not a fan of companies which are basically being run (and which were, in fact, founded) by the marketing department. That's a general statement, BtW.

Well that and I despise the way AN advertises and what they allowed to happen to their US distributors. :thedoubletake:

That, too.

Which works without adjusting pH...both.


Good to know.

Also notice my airlines running to the top of the tubes? Air is pumped into the tube, through the elbow fitting at the bottom, and directly into the bucket... no airstones.
Could that by why your roots aren't still white as can be at harvest time? IIRC, the vast majority of the oxygenation of a liquid occurs at the surface; IOW, it doesn't matter if a tank is two feet deep or ten, since there isn't much benefit from the bubbles traveling up through the liquid. Err... I think? It's the turbulence at the surface, the multiple bubbles "breaking." I have gotten the impression that the same amount of DO ("air"), delivered by way of more - but smaller - bubbles gives the most value, due to the ability to provide a more turbulent surface interface.

That could all just be a steaming pile of horsesh!t, though ;) .

I dump the growing bucket's remaining contents down the commode.


Probably the only thing I have against DWC. At reservoir change time, it becomes just another drain-to-waste hydroponic method. I used to try to pour mine outside (as and when I could) so that the plants in the garden could have a chance of wringing the last bit of nutrient out. But I must confess that I've dumped my share of nutrients into the sewer, too, in the past. Visiting the local wastewater "treatment" plant and realizing just how much stuff goes right through it, untouched, and then directly into our natural water systems... was a real eye-opener. It was almost like they weren't doing anything (FFS!) - just letting micro-organisms (and some that could be seen with the naked eye) eat what they could of the organics, then running all the solids (undigested feces remnants, about ten billion cigarette butts, coins, jewelery, the (very) occasional finger/fetus, et cetera) through the giant press to remove all (that they could) of the last bit of liquid from it, then into the big dumpster for haul-out. Everything else... to the river! Because, hey, it's not like we - and all the other communities downstream - get our drinking water from the river or anything <HEROIC EYE ROLL> .
 
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