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Rex's Perpetual Hydroponics, LED, 4x4 Tent Using TBC 10 Gal System: All Are Welcome, Come Learn & Help
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Hey Rex congrats on the motm nomination. 
Well deserved.
Stay safe
Bill
Well deserved.
Stay safe
Bill
marcus611a
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Damn! My fav.....My local seed bank owner has this: The very original ”original glue” aka gorilla glue #4.
From what I googl’d thats the real gg#4 right there and autos available as well.
Also the strain got me sooo interested nowStarted to wonder have I ever smoked the real glue gluee because all that mad_buddha high couch lock while your head does back flips in reverse and u just feelin euphoric.
Not that I’d buy all that, but the sales talks got me big time.
Indeed! And the space is a small challenge for me as you maybe may have noticed. And about that, haven’t seen you around in a minute.
Everything cool in your world?
marcus611a
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I love this plant you got. My curiosity is though I see it praying toward the light but what's causing its leaves to claw downDay 21
Cabinet temp: 29C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~60%
Previous PPM: 352
Current PPM: 403
Adjusted PPM to: 403
PH: 6.1
Res temps: 19.6C
Water level: slight drop
So I've been slowly adding some black duct tape to fully light proof the system. I wish I had gone that route instead of painting. Cheaper, more effective, and easier. Well it would be easier if it wasn't already in the cabinet. Anyhow- thanks Shed for the suggestion!!
Well, it looks like the root rot has been dealt with. There is still a slight tinge of brown, however the brownish roots are surrounded by new white roots.
I have to admit, when I checked them this morning, I was pleasantly surprised with how much the roots have grown. Kinda nice to see them for a change, vs them usually buried in hydroton.
The Gorilla Glue will be topped very shortly (at 4th node).
The Wapa Auto, I'm kinda thinking might have gotten a bit stunted. She's growing- but is tiny for her age. Dunno, we'll see, but I'm sure I'll be able to squeeze some buds off her, and I can use the other two plants to fill the space.
The Blackberry Auto is growing nicely, and looks a bit hungry. I did a slight bump with FloraNova Grow last night (50PPM). I think the current "happy spot" for all three is just below 400 PPM right now.
First step is to get them all feeding, which appears to be happening now. Next will be to fine tune the nutrients, and then get them to really start growing.
I've had plants look worse at the start of a grow and finish strong, which is somewhat comforting.
Right now I've got three products in the reservoir to help the roots. Hygrozyme, Root Builder and Microbial Mass. They seem to play very nicely together.
Well that's all for this mornings update, thanks and hope everyone has a great weekend!
I really couldn't tell you, I find it interesting, but it's beyond me. Either way the Gorilla Glue will have to deal with it
Ouch, that hurts. Your always welcome to DM me, but don't be shy to post pics or questions here either (whichever your most comfortable with).
Hey Beez!!! You found my perpetual!brother, your always welcome and don't feel the need to play catch up. Right now I'm just doing a small winter grow with a little system I threw together. It's more for fun and learning then anything else- springtime will see me ramp things up.
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I will not deny, nor verify, if that sparked ideas last night
Thank you Bill. That was a complete shocker this morning. I didnt see that coming!Hey Rex congrats on the motm nomination.
Well deserved.
Stay safe
Bill
Thanks Marcus!
She's come along way since then! I was experiencing root rot. It caused an abnormal issue with nutrient uptake. The root rot is pretty much healed up, but the leaves are still showing some "scars" from the ordeal. It's nothing that I'm worried about, especially at this stage.
Here's then vs now pictures
And here she is today (roughly 12 days later)
marcus611a
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Freaking love it bro good job. I love how we can just bend them and move them anyway we want and they just pop back up and deal with it and get better.
I will not deny, nor verify, if that sparked ideas last night
Thank you Bill. That was a complete shocker this morning. I didnt see that coming!
Thanks Marcus!
She's come along way since then! I was experiencing root rot. It caused an abnormal issue with nutrient uptake. The root rot is pretty much healed up, but the leaves are still showing some "scars" from the ordeal. It's nothing that I'm worried about, especially at this stage.
Here's then vs now pictures
And here she is today (roughly 12 days later)
Amazing comeback and congrats on the nomination Rex!
N420
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Nice work on the training! Congrats on the nom well deserved!
Great training, nice save on the break. Is that Uncle Ben's method you're using here?Thanks Verbalist- i love these conversations
I added Microbial Mass pro as a new additive recently. Right now for root care ive got: Hygrozyme, Root Builder and Microbial Mass going
Great timing! I should have waited for my update, but I keep getting side tracked and putting it off. I literally just finished up some work on the GG.
The break has been repaired with tape.
I've yet to punch the ticket on it. Just kinda drained $$ at the moment, but I'm sure some will find their way into the budget soon.
Wow that's awesome, thank you. I've never seen that, and I'll have to take a bit to unpack it. Though at this point in the grow, stem wise I've got exactly what I'm going for. Short compact node spacing. Once I change the lighting schedule, the spacing will open up more with the stretch.
Though I think I see where your going. Great info for the roots.
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Thanks Shed, one was a relief, the other a big happy surprise!
Thank you N420! I'm stoked on the turn around, I was worried for a bit.
Hey Jon! Thanks, I had to re-read the Uncle Ben method. I've done my usual topping at the 4th node, and removal of nodes 1 & 2. The GG auto I was considering doing a four cola plant, or something similar (which would be an very similar to the Uncle Ben method?).
The others kinda started with a quad. The kinda comes from me shaping the plants. If a branch is pointing at a corner beside the plant, where growth will be limited (except upwards)- that branch gets snipped. The plant will redirect the energy to the other branches, and I don't have to constantly fight with the branch to avoid it becoming dominant.
For those interested- when a branch becomes higher then the surrounding branches, it becomes dominant. The plant will put extra energy into the dominant branch. I go for equilibrium as much as possible. This spreads the energy equally and you get a nice supply of colas. At least that's my understanding
Day 34
Cabinet temp: 27C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 384
Current PPM: 355
Adjusted PPM to: 355
PH: 5.7
Res temps: 19.6C
Water level: steady drop, 3-6L /day
All three autos are looking fairly decent. Despite my clumsiness and breaking branches. I will say that at this moment, I'm loving the PH stability. I've barely had to adjust the PH, whereas when I'm using the hydroton as a 100% medium, I'm adjusting sometimes twice a day. This could be from a few different things, but I'm loving it and not complaining
. So far my experimental root blocking materials appears to be working, let's hope that continues.
I've begun to shape the plants to the space their in, and still, im undecided as to tossing a net in. Though I'm leaning heavily towards it.
Right now I've got the Nextlight 420h turned up to 328 Watts, and each highest point of the plants are receiving roughly 40k of lux. I'll be slowly turning it up more, once I get the heat in the cabinet down. Right now the Wappa is showing some signs of heat stress.
I've just about got everything set for the res change out. During which time I will be switching from the Floranova Grow, to the Floranova Bloom. They're no longer liking the N levels.
ill also start adding in some GH Koolbloom (liquid).
I'll definitely need to up the cal mag to roughly 220PPM worth, as all three are showing deficiencies.
The Photoperiods:
Sela got her first transplant into a 3 gallon plastic container (i need to pickup some 3 gallon fabric pots). It was also my first time transplanting
And Cilla is just slowly doing her thing, and will also be transplanted soon too.
And that's all for now,
for following along!
Roots look great, plants look great, and congrats on your very first upcan! 
Woow Rex! Gorilla Glue comming up very nicely. Wish I could get my hands on the plant alreadyThank you N420! I'm stoked on the turn around, I was worried for a bit.
Hey Jon! Thanks, I had to re-read the Uncle Ben method. I've done my usual topping at the 4th node, and removal of nodes 1 & 2. The GG auto I was considering doing a four cola plant, or something similar (which would be an very similar to the Uncle Ben method?).
The others kinda started with a quad. The kinda comes from me shaping the plants. If a branch is pointing at a corner beside the plant, where growth will be limited (except upwards)- that branch gets snipped. The plant will redirect the energy to the other branches, and I don't have to constantly fight with the branch to avoid it becoming dominant.
For those interested- when a branch becomes higher then the surrounding branches, it becomes dominant. The plant will put extra energy into the dominant branch. I go for equilibrium as much as possible. This spreads the energy equally and you get a nice supply of colas. At least that's my understanding
Day 34
Cabinet temp: 27C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 384
Current PPM: 355
Adjusted PPM to: 355
PH: 5.7
Res temps: 19.6C
Water level: steady drop, 3-6L /day
All three autos are looking fairly decent. Despite my clumsiness and breaking branches. I will say that at this moment, I'm loving the PH stability. I've barely had to adjust the PH, whereas when I'm using the hydroton as a 100% medium, I'm adjusting sometimes twice a day. This could be from a few different things, but I'm loving it and not complaining
So far my experimental root blocking materials appears to be working, let's hope that continues.
I've begun to shape the plants to the space their in, and still, im undecided as to tossing a net in. Though I'm leaning heavily towards it.
Right now I've got the Nextlight 420h turned up to 328 Watts, and each highest point of the plants are receiving roughly 40k of lux. I'll be slowly turning it up more, once I get the heat in the cabinet down. Right now the Wappa is showing some signs of heat stress.
I've just about got everything set for the res change out. During which time I will be switching from the Floranova Grow, to the Floranova Bloom. They're no longer liking the N levels.
ill also start adding in some GH Koolbloom (liquid).
I'll definitely need to up the cal mag to roughly 220PPM worth, as all three are showing deficiencies.
The Photoperiods:
Sela got her first transplant into a 3 gallon plastic container (i need to pickup some 3 gallon fabric pots). It was also my first time transplanting
And Cilla is just slowly doing her thing, and will also be transplanted soon too.
And that's all for now,
snip-finger itchy.And Blackberry, I told you if shes anything like BBK its gonna produce huge leaves. I don’t know but those are looking massive. Sucha shovels
Beautiful Mucker.Thanks Shed, one was a relief, the other a big happy surprise!
Thank you N420! I'm stoked on the turn around, I was worried for a bit.
Hey Jon! Thanks, I had to re-read the Uncle Ben method. I've done my usual topping at the 4th node, and removal of nodes 1 & 2. The GG auto I was considering doing a four cola plant, or something similar (which would be an very similar to the Uncle Ben method?).
The others kinda started with a quad. The kinda comes from me shaping the plants. If a branch is pointing at a corner beside the plant, where growth will be limited (except upwards)- that branch gets snipped. The plant will redirect the energy to the other branches, and I don't have to constantly fight with the branch to avoid it becoming dominant.
For those interested- when a branch becomes higher then the surrounding branches, it becomes dominant. The plant will put extra energy into the dominant branch. I go for equilibrium as much as possible. This spreads the energy equally and you get a nice supply of colas. At least that's my understanding
Day 34
Cabinet temp: 27C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 384
Current PPM: 355
Adjusted PPM to: 355
PH: 5.7
Res temps: 19.6C
Water level: steady drop, 3-6L /day
All three autos are looking fairly decent. Despite my clumsiness and breaking branches. I will say that at this moment, I'm loving the PH stability. I've barely had to adjust the PH, whereas when I'm using the hydroton as a 100% medium, I'm adjusting sometimes twice a day. This could be from a few different things, but I'm loving it and not complaining
So far my experimental root blocking materials appears to be working, let's hope that continues.
I've begun to shape the plants to the space their in, and still, im undecided as to tossing a net in. Though I'm leaning heavily towards it.
Right now I've got the Nextlight 420h turned up to 328 Watts, and each highest point of the plants are receiving roughly 40k of lux. I'll be slowly turning it up more, once I get the heat in the cabinet down. Right now the Wappa is showing some signs of heat stress.
I've just about got everything set for the res change out. During which time I will be switching from the Floranova Grow, to the Floranova Bloom. They're no longer liking the N levels.
ill also start adding in some GH Koolbloom (liquid).
I'll definitely need to up the cal mag to roughly 220PPM worth, as all three are showing deficiencies.
The Photoperiods:
Sela got her first transplant into a 3 gallon plastic container (i need to pickup some 3 gallon fabric pots). It was also my first time transplanting
And Cilla is just slowly doing her thing, and will also be transplanted soon too.
And that's all for now,
Hope everyone is well.
Stay safe
Bill
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Thanks Shed! I'd like to call it a success! I even added some root builder and a touch of Hygrozyme into the first watering.Roots look great, plants look great, and congrats on your very first upcan!
Thanks Verbalist! I thought you'd be happy to know I decided to give that raw kelp a try...whenever it arrives.Woow Rex! Gorilla Glue comming up very nicely. Wish I could get my hands on the plant already
And Blackberry, I told you if shes anything like BBK its gonna produce huge leaves. I don’t know but those are looking massive. Sucha shovels
The Blackberry Auto has some huge fan leaves, reminds me of my Bruce Banner Auto. And she's already outpaced the other two plants for feed (shes a bit pale). I may have to consider reversing one of the other Blackberry seeds
Thanks Bill!Beautiful Mucker.
Hope everyone is well.
Stay safe
Bill
Always it appreciate brother
Wow, awesome as ever. Look at all the bubbles! Lots of aeration going on eh? Do you ever occasionally add hydrogen peroxide to your mix? I read an article that lauded the technique for cleansing roots and adding oxygen in the DWC. Also CONGRATS on your first up potting! Looks like you timed it real well. So she's going to grow in SOIL? Like actual dirt? Have you gone mad? LOL. I must have missed it, if so my apologies, but what dirt are you using? Also, you're considering no screen despite leaning towards it heavily? Have you ever NOT used a screen? What is the motivation behind potentially not using one?Thanks Shed, one was a relief, the other a big happy surprise!
Thank you N420! I'm stoked on the turn around, I was worried for a bit.
Hey Jon! Thanks, I had to re-read the Uncle Ben method. I've done my usual topping at the 4th node, and removal of nodes 1 & 2. The GG auto I was considering doing a four cola plant, or something similar (which would be an very similar to the Uncle Ben method?).
The others kinda started with a quad. The kinda comes from me shaping the plants. If a branch is pointing at a corner beside the plant, where growth will be limited (except upwards)- that branch gets snipped. The plant will redirect the energy to the other branches, and I don't have to constantly fight with the branch to avoid it becoming dominant.
For those interested- when a branch becomes higher then the surrounding branches, it becomes dominant. The plant will put extra energy into the dominant branch. I go for equilibrium as much as possible. This spreads the energy equally and you get a nice supply of colas. At least that's my understanding
Day 34
Cabinet temp: 27C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 384
Current PPM: 355
Adjusted PPM to: 355
PH: 5.7
Res temps: 19.6C
Water level: steady drop, 3-6L /day
All three autos are looking fairly decent. Despite my clumsiness and breaking branches. I will say that at this moment, I'm loving the PH stability. I've barely had to adjust the PH, whereas when I'm using the hydroton as a 100% medium, I'm adjusting sometimes twice a day. This could be from a few different things, but I'm loving it and not complaining
So far my experimental root blocking materials appears to be working, let's hope that continues.
I've begun to shape the plants to the space their in, and still, im undecided as to tossing a net in. Though I'm leaning heavily towards it.
Right now I've got the Nextlight 420h turned up to 328 Watts, and each highest point of the plants are receiving roughly 40k of lux. I'll be slowly turning it up more, once I get the heat in the cabinet down. Right now the Wappa is showing some signs of heat stress.
I've just about got everything set for the res change out. During which time I will be switching from the Floranova Grow, to the Floranova Bloom. They're no longer liking the N levels.
ill also start adding in some GH Koolbloom (liquid).
I'll definitely need to up the cal mag to roughly 220PPM worth, as all three are showing deficiencies.
The Photoperiods:
Sela got her first transplant into a 3 gallon plastic container (i need to pickup some 3 gallon fabric pots). It was also my first time transplanting
And Cilla is just slowly doing her thing, and will also be transplanted soon too.
And that's all for now,
Sorry for all the questions, but I haven't peppered you good in a while. Lol!
Thanks Rex!
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Hey Jon! Thank you my friend!
In hydro you have two options to run with: Sterile vs Live. Sterile would be where you use H202 (hydrogen peroxide) and allow zero bacteria. I always keep a bottle of 27% H202 on standby for emergencies, and call it "the nuclear option", as I try to establish a colony of beneficial bacteria. That's a live res. And there is no real hybrid option, it's an either or.
Sometimes, as we all know, shit goes sideways. And that happened to me at the start of this grow, when root rot set in quickly. I used "the nuclear option " combined with Hygrozyme (which is enzymes and is compatible with H202) to quickly clear it up. I got lucky, and also had the "just in case" materials on hand (H202).
Then i reset the system with my beneficial bacteria (Microbial Mass Pro and Root Builder) along with Hygrozyme.
Absolutely correct, as the H202 breaks down, oxygen is released into the water. That's one reason why i use food grade H202, as it contains no stabilizers (like the pharmacy stuff). I can also use a dilution calculator to precisely control the level (3% is usually what you want to clear up a root infection).
Thanks! I have gone mad, then sane, and back mad...gotta switch it up now and thenThese two seedlings in the update are Reg Photoperiods that will be mothers (hopefully not fathers). Right now im using FFHF, and have MC to feed them come time.
Truthfully, I've always used a screen and have yet to do a grow without one. I am/was considering not using one simply for the added challenge. But I've also got enough challenges on my plate, which is why I'm hesitant and probably will just use a wide net.
Love the questions brother, pepper away!
Love the answers more! Thanks, Rex, very clear as you tend to be.Hey Jon! Thank you my friend!
In hydro you have two options to run with: Sterile vs Live. Sterile would be where you use H202 (hydrogen peroxide) and allow zero bacteria. I always keep a bottle of 27% H202 on standby for emergencies, and call it "the nuclear option", as I try to establish a colony of beneficial bacteria. That's a live res. And there is no real hybrid option, it's an either or.
Sometimes, as we all know, shit goes sideways. And that happened to me at the start of this grow, when root rot set in quickly. I used "the nuclear option " combined with Hygrozyme (which is enzymes and is compatible with H202) to quickly clear it up. I got lucky, and also had the "just in case" materials on hand (H202).
Then i reset the system with my beneficial bacteria (Microbial Mass Pro and Root Builder) along with Hygrozyme.
Absolutely correct, as the H202 breaks down, oxygen is released into the water. That's one reason why i use food grade H202, as it contains no stabilizers (like the pharmacy stuff). I can also use a dilution calculator to precisely control the level (3% is usually what you want to clear up a root infection).
These two seedlings in the update are Reg Photoperiods that will be mothers (hopefully not fathers). Right now im using FFHF, and have MC to feed them come time.
Truthfully, I've always used a screen and have yet to do a grow without one. I am/was considering not using one simply for the added challenge. But I've also got enough challenges on my plate, which is why I'm hesitant and probably will just use a wide net.
Love the questions brother, pepper away!
If we're going to use one another's methods in a grow eventually sometime, you might want to try it without a net, cuz when I'm running your grow, there won't be one. Lmao! Btw - in reverse, don't set me up with a crap system when you run my first DWC.
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No Kitty Litter Hydro for you!!!Btw - in reverse, don't set me up with a crap system when you run my first DWC.
It was also my first time transplanting
Like a boss!
Delps8
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Duct tape - is there anything it can't do?!As for how I've tied them down, we'll see if it was clever, or just plain not well thought out...it is cheap duct tape.
I basically made an L with the plant wire, and put a peice of tape across the bottom. The plant I suspect will pull it out of place eventually.
But thats ok, I got plenty of tape to reattach it
Muy bien that the root rot has faded into the rearview.
I saw your mention of possible Mg deficiency. Glad you saw that - I didn't want to speak out of turn but I shuddered when I saw the inter veinal chlorosis. That drove me round the bend until you vectored @FelipeBlu in to my journal. Thanks, again, to both of you folks.
Gotta go back and re-read your journal (again). Lots of great plants and great info!