Rex's Perpetual Hydroponics, LED, 4x4 Tent Using TBC 10 Gal System: All Are Welcome, Come Learn & Help

[Rexer]

GG looks to love higher N values. Any idea how much N shes gettin?

Hey Verbalist! Thanks for swinging by brother!

I agree, that GG right now is the perfect shade of green. It's nice to see her moving past that N toxicity from the root rot.

To be honest, nope- notta clue as to the exact N in the reservoir. You guys make me feel like I'm in advanced calculus when I see your numbers .
I think it's absolutely awesome how you can figure it out that way. And it's the proper method.


Instead I go by experience from using these nutes previously, and the current stage of the plants. Obviously I take into account any signs the plants are showing. I try to ensure a balance of the needs from the three different strains.
Right now my observations show this:

The GG based upon how green she is, is still near the higher end of her N tolerance.

The Wappa just seems to be perfectly happy.

The Blackberry is a bit pale, and wants more. You weren't kidding, or wrong on it being a heavy feeding strain.

Basically this is my reservoir (roughly).

150PPM of calimagic (1-0-0)
250 PPM of FloraNova Grow (7-4-10)
20 PPM of Diamond Nectar (0-1-1)

The other supplements don't really provide any NPK or contribute much to the PPM.

 

[Rexer]

Your bound to get at least one lady! There is a breeder that I want to try but they only do regs so it’s kinda scared me off, your much braver then me!

If I can give you any advice as far as soil growing or in my case Pro Mix make sure you give them a good wet dry cycle. Fill a solo cup with dry soil and feel the weight of it. When your solos that have your babies inside feel the same weight as the dry soil solo cup it’s time to water again.

I forgot to include a thank you for that excellent advice. That's genius and I will be doing precisely that!

 

[InTheShed]

I think it's absolutely awesome how you can figure it out that way. And it's the proper method.

I dunno about anyone else but I use free nutrient calculating software you can download. PM me if you want details!

 

[Rexer]

I dunno about anyone else but I use free nutrient calculating software you can download. PM me if you want details!

Thank you Shed

I've got and seen a few. I've tried, but to be honest it's like an overload of info for me, and I really need to be better organized.
I should revisit it and try, I'd probably be more in the "optimal" range vs the "sufficient " ranges. Time for some more reading on it for me!

 

[Verbalist]

Hey Verbalist! Thanks for swinging by brother!

I agree, that GG right now is the perfect shade of green. It's nice to see her moving past that N toxicity from the root rot.

To be honest, nope- notta clue as to the exact N in the reservoir. You guys make me feel like I'm in advanced calculus when I see your numbers .
I think it's absolutely awesome how you can figure it out that way. And it's the proper method.


Instead I go by experience from using these nutes previously, and the current stage of the plants. Obviously I take into account any signs the plants are showing. I try to ensure a balance of the needs from the three different strains.
Right now my observations show this:

The GG based upon how green she is, is still near the higher end of her N tolerance.

The Wappa just seems to be perfectly happy.

The Blackberry is a bit pale, and wants more. You weren't kidding, or wrong on it being a heavy feeding strain.

Basically this is my reservoir (roughly).

150PPM of calimagic (1-0-0)
250 PPM of FloraNova Grow (7-4-10)
20 PPM of Diamond Nectar (0-1-1)

The other supplements don't really provide any NPK or contribute much to the PPM.

Hi Bro!
Its all goodie, everybody doesn’t like the numbers. And if youre interested in that I can link you a couple online calculators.
But obv its best to go with the old habits, if they do have worked.

And ye figured it must be the blackberry cross which guzzles the nutes, not the kush.

150ppm GHE CaliMagic is roughly ~40-50ppm of Nitrates and 250ppm of Floranova would be close to 60-80ppm of N.

NB! Youre having old GHE Fulvic under name ”diamond nectar” does the diamond nectar label say 1% K2O & 1% P2O5?
Because I’m having the new bottle named ”Fulvic” which is same product but they do not mention anything about available P and K. Wondering did they change the receipe or am I feeding extra P and K when dosing 2ml/L of Fulvic

 

[Rexer]

Hi Bro!
Its all goodie, everybody doesn’t like the numbers. And if youre interested in that I can link you a couple online calculators.
But obv its best to go with the old habits, if they do have worked.

Oh I do need to change up, and be better organized. I've got a few online ones bookmarked, even found an android one . Spent a good part of last night re-reading and looking at salts.

And ye figured it must be the blackberry cross which guzzles the nutes, not the kush.

150ppm GHE CaliMagic is roughly ~40-50ppm of Nitrates and 250ppm of Floranova would be close to 60-80ppm of N.

Interesting, so I'm between 100-130 PPM of Nitrogen?
I was looking for a chart showing the NPK requirements for each stage of the plant. I thought there was one in my Ed Rosenthal book, but couldn't find it.

I love how your teaching me now. This place is awesome.

NB! Youre having old GHE Fulvic under name ”diamond nectar” does the diamond nectar label say 1% K2O & 1% P2O5?
Because I’m having the new bottle named ”Fulvic” which is same product but they do not mention anything about available P and K. Wondering did they change the receipe or am I feeding extra P and K when dosing 2ml/L of Fulvic

To be honest, I didn't know they made changes to it. When I first started growing I read on the importance of Fulvic/humic acids, and how they're often overlooked. A Canadian online store was having a crazy sale....so I bought 5 or 6 bottles of it. I think I've got one more unopened yet.

Here's some front and back pictures of the bottle.

 

[Verbalist]

Interesting, so I'm between 100-130 PPM of Nitrogen?

Evening brother Rex!
Yes roughly bout 100ppm. Would need the more specific info to calculate them more accurate.

I was looking for a chart showing the NPK requirements for each stage of the plant. I thought there was one in my Ed Rosenthal book, but couldn't find it.

This is a pretty good chart for each element. Its just showing the usual min and max ppm’s for each element.
But at that stage I’d guess bout +-100ppm of N would suit for them all.

I love how your teaching me now. This place is awesome.

Awee don’t call it like that You were the very first person who taught me the DWC basics that I didn’t know.
In my eyes you’ll always be the hydro king even tho you wouldn’t mind about the numbers or sciense behind that.

Lol ye even the bottle and branding looks old. But I bet theyve changed the receipe as the new name is ”Fulvic” only. As the old diamond nectar had humic also. Theyve ”Humic”’ bottle also separated. And it goes under the name GHE or Terra Aquatica Humic.

Damn wish I’d have those old bottles!!

 

[InTheShed]

This is a pretty good chart for each element. Its just showing the usual min and max ppm’s for each element.
But at that stage I’d guess bout +-100ppm of N would suit for them all.

I wouldn't touch even 50% of the max on a lot of those!

 

[Verbalist]

I wouldn't touch even 50% of the max on a lot of those!

Yup for example 450ppm of N is prob way too much even for the canjabis_trees

Anyway it was just a bit indicative. Finding a sweet spot between those values (during the full veg mode) would be the way to go.

 

[Rexer]

Evening brother Rex!
Yes roughly bout 100ppm. Would need the more specific info to calculate them more accurate.

Evening Verbalist! That's awesome thanks, I'd need to know the exact amount of water in the system, or do more math to be more accurate.

This is a pretty good chart for each element. Its just showing the usual min and max ppm’s for each element.
But at that stage I’d guess bout +-100ppm of N would suit for them all.

Annnnnd perfect!

Awee don’t call it like that You were the very first person who taught me the DWC basics that I didn’t know.
In my eyes you’ll always be the hydro king even tho you wouldn’t mind about the numbers or sciense behind that.

Ahh your too kind brother! And there's nothing wrong at all with me learning from you, don't underestimate yourself!
I'll get to doing it by the numbers, which the proper way as you're doing.

Right now there's too much on the go with stuff that I just can't retain it properly.

Lol ye even the bottle and branding looks old. But I bet theyve changed the receipe as the new name is ”Fulvic” only. As the old diamond nectar had humic also. Theyve ”Humic”’ bottle also separated. And it goes under the name GHE or Terra Aquatica Humic.

Damn wish I’d have those old bottles!!

Sounds like I stocked up at the right time!!! That never happens


I actually found a line on Fulvic powder that I'll eventually switch to once I run out.

I wouldn't touch even 50% of the max on a lot of those!

Noted, thanks Shed!

Yup for example 450ppm of N is prob way too much even for the canjabis_trees

Anyway it was just a bit indicative. Finding a sweet spot between those values (during the full veg mode) would be the way to go.

Noted as well






Day 29


Cabinet temp: 27C avg (turned down recently)
Cabinet RH%: ~30% avg
Previous PPM: 398
Current PPM: 362
Adjusted PPM to: will be adjusted in a few hrs
PH: 6.0
Res temps: 21.5C
Water level: steady drop, 8-10L


Hey folks! I hope everyone has had a good week, and enjoyed their weekend nicely. The plants are doing great, minus one or two mishaps and my neglecting to refill the humidifier regularly this week.

So, I guess I'll start with the mishaps. When attaching some tie downs, I accidentally snapped a top side node, then for some reason i repeated it on a 2nd plant(Wapa and Gorilla Glue).

I tossed some tape on immediately to seal and support the stem. Time will tell if it heals, though one branch on the Wapa is toast i think. Truthfully at this stage in the grow, if it doesn't heal, the plant will redirect the energy to the nodes, and long term wise it will be barely noticeable. It happens, and is not something to stress myself over, especially after it's done.

All three auto plants have been topped. And they're growing fantastically! Pistils are showing on all three, they're feminized seeds (i only have two reg photo seeds in soil/solo cups) but it's always nice to see.

Roots are looking good, and the growth over the last 10 days has been truly fun to watch just all around.

Things are on cruise control for now as they continue to get bigger. I'll continue to tie down, snip here and there (just the odd needed bits, and not all at once).

I noticed some calcium and Magnesium deficiencies started, and increased the cal mag in the system by a small 15ml.
Fairly soon I'll also be switching from a 24/0 to an 18/6 or 19/5 lighting schedule.

Im also behind this week on my reservoir change out. I had to re-arrange the RO line to where the cabinet is, and it takes several days to pump out enough RO water to refill the system. But it will happen.



And that's pretty much all for now. Thanks for reading!

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Gorilla Glue Auto
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• Feb 13, 2022

Gorilla Glue Auto Roots
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Blackberry Auto
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• Feb 13, 2022

Blackberry Auto Roots
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Wappa Auto
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• Feb 13, 2022

Wapa Auto Roots
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[Verbalist]

Looking great brother! Especially roots! Did you find/use new root beneficials? Can’t remember if you said that youe trying out canna zym(?)

Blackberry (even tho not -Kush) looks to grow same as my BBK did. Very flat and huge fans laying on each other. I bet once she starts to stretch it could triple the size ez.

Also looks like GG is bout to get some shape soon! Did you just end up pruning the lowest nodes off? Or is she kinda like quad-lined now if shes topped?

What about the Kelp? Wappa roots looks to have a lot lateral roots and long hairs

Again the plant hormones that Kelp offers. These figures points something else again that Ive read. *See how high auxin at root zone should promote lateral root growth. - and more lateral roots should reflect as more lateral growth above the medium.

Low Phospate & nitrate and high auxin should promote more compact growth. Ehh Ive understood that no matter what, auxins promotes more vertical growth.

 

[Rexer]

Thanks Verbalist- i love these conversations

Looking great brother! Especially roots! Did you find/use new root beneficials? Can’t remember if you said that youe trying out canna zym(?)

I added Microbial Mass pro as a new additive recently. Right now for root care ive got: Hygrozyme, Root Builder and Microbial Mass going .

Blackberry (even tho not -Kush) looks to grow same as my BBK did. Very flat and huge fans laying on each other. I bet once she starts to stretch it could triple the size ez.

Also looks like GG is bout to get some shape soon! Did you just end up pruning the lowest nodes off? Or is she kinda like quad-lined now if shes topped?

Great timing! I should have waited for my update, but I keep getting side tracked and putting it off. I literally just finished up some work on the GG.

The break has been repaired with tape.

What about the Kelp? Wappa roots looks to have a lot lateral roots and long hairs

I've yet to punch the ticket on it. Just kinda drained $$ at the moment, but I'm sure some will find their way into the budget soon.

Again the plant hormones that Kelp offers. These figures points something else again that Ive read. *See how high auxin at root zone should promote lateral root growth. - and more lateral roots should reflect as more lateral growth above the medium.

Low Phospate & nitrate and high auxin should promote more compact growth. Ehh Ive understood that no matter what, auxins promotes more vertical growth.

Wow that's awesome, thank you. I've never seen that, and I'll have to take a bit to unpack it . Though at this point in the grow, stem wise I've got exactly what I'm going for. Short compact node spacing. Once I change the lighting schedule, the spacing will open up more with the stretch.

Though I think I see where your going. Great info for the roots.

 

[Verbalist]

Thanks Verbalist- i love these conversations

Any time brother!
Love to discuss about this sucha great hobby, or could be a life style, you name it.

Great timing! I should have waited for my update, but I keep getting side tracked and putting it off. I literally just finished up some work on the GG.

The break has been repaired with tape.

Absolutely spectacular!!!

This will give me a great general idea about that how am I going to deal with the mains and the tying them.

You took of first nodes from the new mains - is it just to allow some more room for them?
Like you looking for a 4 colas, or more likely a very flat canopy which is made by tying the mains down and letting the new lateral shoots grow up vertical?

 

[Rexer]

Absolutely spectacular!!!

This will give me a great general idea about that how am I going to deal with the mains and the tying them.

You took of first nodes from the new mains - is it just to allow some more room for them?
Like you looking for a 4 colas, or more likely a very flat canopy which is made by tying the mains down and letting the new lateral shoots grow up vertical?

Good catch!

I've been wanting to try a 4 cola plant for a bit now, and it seems like it might be a good time to try. It might also help with controlling the plant size as well.

As for how I've tied them down, we'll see if it was clever, or just plain not well thought out...it is cheap duct tape.

I basically made an L with the plant wire, and put a peice of tape across the bottom. The plant I suspect will pull it out of place eventually.
But thats ok, I got plenty of tape to reattach it . I still have three rolls untouched .

And I always remove nodes 1&2, top after 4th. It's one of those methods that seems to give me good repeatable results.

I still have to do some work on the Blackberry today. Next update should hopefully show some nice changes.

I also have a spare large square cheap scrog net. I may put it in soon to give proper tie down, and support locations. Though once the scrog net is in, peeking at the roots will become more difficult.

 

[Jon]

Caught up. Phew. TONS of good info in here. Great journal, Rexer. Awesome plants.

 

[Jon]

Caught up. Phew. TONS of good info in here. Great journal, Rexer. Awesome plants.

Duh, Rexer. Follow button engaged. Now I get why I somehow missed the start of this awesome journal for 36 pages. So sorry man, you know I would never ignore your journal for 3 pages, much less 36. I'm embarrassed but as I do, I call myself out publicly for it. My apologies.

 

[Rexer]

Duh, Rexer. Follow button engaged. Now I get why I somehow missed the start of this awesome journal for 36 pages. So sorry man, you know I would never ignore your journal for 3 pages, much less 36. I'm embarrassed but as I do, I call myself out publicly for it. My apologies.

All good Jon.

I never ever worry about stuff like that.
First, this journal is a relatively relaxed kinda place (I hope!!). Which means no worries about the small stuff like that. Ever.

You've had a lot going on brother. And I miss out on journals/tags all the time.

I've always liked Shed's Motto "jump in/out whenever "

 

[Verbalist]

But thats ok, I got plenty of tape to reattach it . I still have three rolls untouched .

Well prepared

 

[InTheShed]

I still have three rolls untouched

Oh you'll use it for something...it's duct tape!

 

[N420]

Oh you'll use it for something...it's duct tape!

It is Valentines Day today, just sayin!