Rex's Perpetual Hydroponics, LED, 4x4 Tent Using TBC 10 Gal System: All Are Welcome, Come Learn & Help

Thanks! And now that I see your explanation on the camera I realize I just asked you to repeat info you covered well earlier in this journal. Lol, my bad. Interesting fan. Do those buttons on top light up, and can you cover them and have it still operate properly, maybe just remove the tape to change a setting or whatever?
All good, thanks Jon! It bears repeating, and you'd be surprised how many people have asked the same question for the camera setup:)
To be honest- I'm not too sure on the lights up top of the fan (if there is any). If there is, it wouldn't be too much difficulty to cover them up. I've never worried about it so far, as I've grown nothing but autos, and the cabinet is not light proof (vents and door jamb let some light through). The fan did actually come with a remote control as well, I think I still have it around somewhere :hmmmm:
I didn't mind at all!
Thanks Shed!
LOL thats some MacGyver stuff :laughtwo: I like it!
Thanks Verbalist!
He was my hero as a kid. Watched that show religiously growing up :laughtwo:
Gorilla Glue seem to be very N sensitive.
Does it express the N excess symptoms at ~300ppm res? o_O
Agreed. Originally it appeared to have been a result of the root rot (and i still think at that time it was). But it should have snapped out of it. I got delayed a bit on my reservoir change out, and the Floranova Grow was left a bit longer then it should have. She'll have to learn to grow with it, but the new nute batch has no Grow, only Bloom, so it hopefully has been corrected. I'll know soon enough!
And I’m pretty sure that Blackberry going to start show next stage Mg def symptoms soon.. It could be some inmobile micro def/lockout, but it looks like its drawing stuff from the lower fans.
Actually, the Blackberry is showing signs of Calcium deficiency. But as mentioned, it's a new batch of nutrients...should be fine hopefully:nervous-guy::goodluck:
As it is day 36, have you found any pistils yet from the main stalk sticking out? Looks like theyre bout jump into stretch mode :green_heart:
Pistils have been showing for a bit now on all three, and the stretch has already started :high-five: .

The new batch of nutes has roughly:

220 PPM of calimagic
310 PPM of FloraNova Bloom
30 PPM of GH Liquid koolbloom

Plus the diamond nectar, Hygrozyme, Root Builder, & Microbial Mass pro.

This is a boost of cal mag (from ~150PPM). And a change from Grow to Bloom as well, which should keep the N at a better level (hopefully!).
 
All good, thanks Jon! It bears repeating, and you'd be surprised how many people have asked the same question for the camera setup:)
To be honest- I'm not too sure on the lights up top of the fan (if there is any). If there is, it wouldn't be too much difficulty to cover them up. I've never worried about it so far, as I've grown nothing but autos, and the cabinet is not light proof (vents and door jamb let some light through). The fan did actually come with a remote control as well, I think I still have it around somewhere :hmmmm:

Thanks Shed!

Thanks Verbalist!
He was my hero as a kid. Watched that show religiously growing up :laughtwo:

Agreed. Originally it appeared to have been a result of the root rot (and i still think at that time it was). But it should have snapped out of it. I got delayed a bit on my reservoir change out, and the Floranova Grow was left a bit longer then it should have. She'll have to learn to grow with it, but the new nute batch has no Grow, only Bloom, so it hopefully has been corrected. I'll know soon enough!

Actually, the Blackberry is showing signs of Calcium deficiency. But as mentioned, it's a new batch of nutrients...should be fine hopefully:nervous-guy::goodluck:

Pistils have been showing for a bit now on all three, and the stretch has already started :high-five: .

The new batch of nutes has roughly:

220 PPM of calimagic
310 PPM of FloraNova Bloom
30 PPM of GH Liquid koolbloom

Plus the diamond nectar, Hygrozyme, Root Builder, & Microbial Mass pro.

This is a boost of cal mag (from ~150PPM). And a change from Grow to Bloom as well, which should keep the N at a better level (hopefully!).
Did your RAW Kelp arrive yet?
New res looks good tho. It prob gets better as the plant gets more Potassium now and I belive N:K ratio is getting closer to 1:1.5 or 1:2 - which should sort it out. :thumb:
 
Did your RAW Kelp arrive yet?
New res looks good tho. It prob gets better as the plant gets more Potassium now and I belive N:K ratio is getting closer to 1:1.5 or 1:2 - which should sort it out. :thumb:
Thank you, that's reassuring, as it was a guesstimate.

No not yet (for the kelp), hopefully though it'll arrive this week, next week at the latest.
 
Thank you, that's reassuring, as it was a guesstimate.

No not yet (for the kelp), hopefully though it'll arrive this week, next week at the latest.
:laughtwo: Didn’t want to guesstimate so:
220ppm of CaliMagic is pretty close to 45ppm of N, 40ppm of Mg and ~130ppm of Ca.
30ppm of Kool Bloom is like 20ppm of K and 10ppm P.
310ppm of Floranova 4-8-7, which I googled and looked for guaranteed analysis and found it has all this stuff? Does it?
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If its then your NPK and secondarys would be something like in total:
N: 100ppm
P: 60ppm
K: 100ppm
Mg: 70ppm
Ca: 190ppm

Those are pretty high Ca and Mg values compared to your Potassium ppm. The numbers are not excact, but they should be pretty close. Are you dosing Floranova about 1.5-2ml/L?

I just wonder if I remember right that N:K :Ca:Mg ratio should be about 3:confused:winkyface:1 (N:K about 1:2-1:3, K:Ca ratio should be like 3:1 or 2:1 and Ca:Mg 3:1 or 2:1) to avoid lockouts and antagonisms.

But ofcourse if thats working or has worked for you before, then we can just say fuck the numbers :D
And I’d maybe drop the Ca ppms for a bit and bump K with terpinator, I remember you had a bottle?
And don’t get me like that Im tryna teach you how much give nutes or something :D Just wanted to give you a little more specific estimates!

Daymn now its time for the night bowl and turn telly on

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I just wonder if I remember right that N:K :Ca:Mg ratio should be about 3:confused:winkyface:1 (N:K about 1:2-1:3, K:Ca ratio should be like 3:1 or 2:1 and Ca:Mg 3:1 or 2:1) to avoid lockouts and antagonisms.
Quite a few of us here try to keep the P as low as possible, so we stay clear of stuff with a big middle number. I run my nutes as close to 5-1-6 as I can, with Ca being half of K, Mg being half of Ca. So it looks like this:
5-1-5
Ca=2.5
Mg=1.25

The ratios stay the same from veg through harvest.
 
Time lapse on point. Check
Ladybug. Check
Root rot gone. Check
Plants beautiful. Check.

Check Check Check Check Check

As always
 
I run my nutes as close to 5-1-6
Thats a good ratio and should basicly work for every phase.

But for example when having a one part nutrient bottle which says 4-8-7:
4% N, 8% P205 needs to be divided with 2.29 to get elemental P, which would be then 3.5% and K2O needs to be divided with 1.205 = so K is then 5.8% K

When applied for example 1ml/L of Floranova 4-8-7 it gives you:
N: ~40ppm
P: ~35ppm
K: ~60ppm
(These are not the exact ones as used 1/unknown in liquid volume and net weight. But theyre close to)

So the above would be like 2 : 1.5 : 3 ratio. Which is a very good ratio for the Bloom phase. N:K ratio just being close to 1:1 as CaliMagic lifts up your N ppm for a bit.
 
Thats a good ratio and should basicly work for every phase.

But for example when having a one part nutrient bottle which says 4-8-7:
4% N, 8% P205 needs to be divided with 2.29 to get elemental P, which would be then 3.5% and K2O needs to be divided with 1.205 = so K is then 5.8% K

When applied for example 1ml/L of Floranova 4-8-7 it gives you:
N: ~40ppm
P: ~35ppm
K: ~60ppm
(These are not the exact ones as used 1/unknown in liquid volume and net weight. But theyre close to)

So the above would be like 2 : 2.5 : 3 ratio. Which is a very good ratio for the Bloom phase. N:K ratio just being close to 1:1 as CaliMagic lifts up your N ppm for a bit.
I just wanted to pinpoint that if you’re for example giving 1-2-2 fertilizer then it does not necessarily mean that your reservoir NPK ratio would be exactly the same. But you guys prob already knew this :) The NPK values in the bottle label tells you how much % of those components are in the bottle.

And Rex, if you’re using Floranova Bloom and it has the same components (Ca & Mg included) as listed above, then you could just use single bottle if you want to more easy way.
For example 2ml/L (7.6ml/g) of Floranova Bloom would provide close to:
N: 80ppm
P: 70ppm
K: 120ppm
Ca: 80ppm
Mg: 40ppm
S: 40ppm

That would provide a little better N:K and K:Ca ratios. But of course do what you have done or will do best! :)
 
Mind if I join. Maybe learn something
Hi @7Dust2 !

Welcome to my perpetual journal!

Anyone and everyone is welcome brother! This current grow right now is just a keep busy/jar stuffer run. I usually grow out in a garage that has frozen over till spring.
Spring should see things kick up a few notches and get more interesting!

But for now, for some fun, I re-purposed some kitty litter tubs into a cheap/simple rdwc
 
Day 41


Cabinet temp: 25C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 383
Current PPM: 309
Adjusted PPM to: 309
PH: 5.4 (ph'd up after checking)
Res temps: 19.2C
Water level: average of 6L/day down


So, i hope everyone has had a great week! The plants in my Cabinet seems to have enjoyed their week, and the last batch of nutes seems to have done the trick. There has been no progression on either the Calcium or magnesium deficiencies. I did get the RAW Kelp, and added in 1/4 teaspoon on Monday.

The two seedlings in soil have survived :thumb::yahoo: . It's safe to say the second one will be transplanted into a 3 gallon container later this week. Right now they're being fed the equivalent of 2g/gallon (MC), pH 6.3.






The Blackberry Auto is something special to watch grow. Everyone should grow one at some point...its been neat to watch the purple start on its own at such a young age of the plant.






The Wappa is bushin out, and I've been doing selective defoliation on her daily.







The Gorilla Glue seems to be doing OK, despite her dislike for the Nitrogen. She'll just have to live with it, as both the Wappa and Blackberry seem OK. I'll take 2/3 being happy.





And that's all for now folks! Thanks for stopping by, I'll be doing another res change in the next day or so, and I hope everyone has a great finish to their week
 
Day 41


Cabinet temp: 25C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 383
Current PPM: 309
Adjusted PPM to: 309
PH: 5.4 (ph'd up after checking)
Res temps: 19.2C
Water level: average of 6L/day down


So, i hope everyone has had a great week! The plants in my Cabinet seems to have enjoyed their week, and the last batch of nutes seems to have done the trick. There has been no progression on either the Calcium or magnesium deficiencies. I did get the RAW Kelp, and added in 1/4 teaspoon on Monday.

The two seedlings in soil have survived :thumb::yahoo: . It's safe to say the second one will be transplanted into a 3 gallon container later this week. Right now they're being fed the equivalent of 2g/gallon (MC), pH 6.3.






The Blackberry Auto is something special to watch grow. Everyone should grow one at some point...its been neat to watch the purple start on its own at such a young age of the plant.






The Wappa is bushin out, and I've been doing selective defoliation on her daily.







The Gorilla Glue seems to be doing OK, despite her dislike for the Nitrogen. She'll just have to live with it, as both the Wappa and Blackberry seem OK. I'll take 2/3 being happy.





And that's all for now folks! Thanks for stopping by, I'll be doing another res change in the next day or so, and I hope everyone has a great finish to their week
Awesome update. Hey, so where's the second reservoir setup so you can feed the GG what she wants and the others what you have already working so well with them? Lol. That Wappa is going to be a beast, reminds me a little of Stunger's Mulanje. Gorgeous as always Rex. And wow, so young to see that purple, and good eye, it's pretty subtle at this point it looks like.
 
Evening Verbalist! That's awesome thanks, I'd need to know the exact amount of water in the system, or do more math :hmmmm: :laughtwo: to be more accurate.


Annnnnd perfect! :thanks:

Ahh your too kind brother! And there's nothing wrong at all with me learning from you, don't underestimate yourself!
I'll get to doing it by the numbers, which the proper way as you're doing.

Right now there's too much on the go with stuff that I just can't retain it properly.

Sounds like I stocked up at the right time!!! :yahoo: That never happens :laughtwo:


I actually found a line on Fulvic powder that I'll eventually switch to once I run out.



Noted, thanks Shed!

Noted as well :thanks::slide:






Day 29


Cabinet temp: 27C avg (turned down recently)
Cabinet RH%: ~30% avg
Previous PPM: 398
Current PPM: 362
Adjusted PPM to: will be adjusted in a few hrs
PH: 6.0
Res temps: 21.5C
Water level: steady drop, 8-10L


Hey folks! I hope everyone has had a good week, and enjoyed their weekend nicely. The plants are doing great, minus one or two mishaps and my neglecting to refill the humidifier regularly this week.

So, I guess I'll start with the mishaps. When attaching some tie downs, I accidentally snapped a top side node, then for some reason i repeated it on a 2nd plant:oops::rolleyes:(Wapa and Gorilla Glue).


I tossed some tape on immediately to seal and support the stem. Time will tell if it heals, though one branch on the Wapa is toast i think. Truthfully at this stage in the grow, if it doesn't heal, the plant will redirect the energy to the nodes, and long term wise it will be barely noticeable. It happens, and is not something to stress myself over, especially after it's done.

All three auto plants have been topped. And they're growing fantastically! Pistils are showing on all three, they're feminized seeds (i only have two reg photo seeds in soil/solo cups) but it's always nice to see.

Roots are looking good, and the growth over the last 10 days has been truly fun to watch just all around.

Things are on cruise control for now as they continue to get bigger. I'll continue to tie down, snip here and there (just the odd needed bits, and not all at once).


I noticed some calcium and Magnesium deficiencies started, and increased the cal mag in the system by a small 15ml.
Fairly soon I'll also be switching from a 24/0 to an 18/6 or 19/5 lighting schedule.

Im also behind this week on my reservoir change out. I had to re-arrange the RO line to where the cabinet is, and it takes several days to pump out enough RO water to refill the system. But it will happen.



And that's pretty much all for now. Thanks for reading!





@Rexer , @InTheShed , @Verbalist

After reading the above correspondence I believe the three of you might be able to answer some questions. First, this is the first forum I have ever used so I'm unfamiliar with how to DM or tag and my questions may be able to help others experiencing the same issues.
I would LOVE to get a link to the "free nutrient calculating software you can download" mentioned above by shed.
My experience growing was before the turn of the century and was entirely soil, mostly outdoors.
I am currently growing in a cabinet using "superponics". This uses a twenty gallon reservoir filled with sixteen gallons of water, drip hydro, RDWC, bubble, and possibly aeroponics as well (to some degree). I grew a couple of autos last year and am currently growing a Panama photo.
I am experiencing some interesting pH changes. I am in the fourth week of 12/12 and feel like I am chasing my tail. I am seeing the expected drop in pH once the nutes are added and the increase when the plant is feeding. Then I see the ppm rise slowly and the pH fall rapidly. I would expect the ppm to drop when nutes are consumed. I am trying to keep the pH within 5.5-6.2 with pH up but I don't feel the plant is eating (not much water loss). I don't see clues from the plants but maybe you can.
I am providing photos of the plant, taken today under the 4000K supplemental lights, as well as photos of the guaranteed analysis of the nutes. I can also provide a detailed grow log of the daily readings. It is in Excel format and I don't know how to get it in here.
I know this may take a bit of your time but I am in the middle of flowering and would be very appreciative of your recommendations. Thanks in advance.

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Feeding Schedule.JPG


InkedBloom_LI.jpg


InkedBoost_LI.jpg


InkedCalMag_LI.jpg
 
Day 41


Cabinet temp: 25C avg
Cabinet RH%: ~50%
Previous PPM: 383
Current PPM: 309
Adjusted PPM to: 309
PH: 5.4 (ph'd up after checking)
Res temps: 19.2C
Water level: average of 6L/day down


So, i hope everyone has had a great week! The plants in my Cabinet seems to have enjoyed their week, and the last batch of nutes seems to have done the trick. There has been no progression on either the Calcium or magnesium deficiencies. I did get the RAW Kelp, and added in 1/4 teaspoon on Monday.

The two seedlings in soil have survived :thumb::yahoo: . It's safe to say the second one will be transplanted into a 3 gallon container later this week. Right now they're being fed the equivalent of 2g/gallon (MC), pH 6.3.






The Blackberry Auto is something special to watch grow. Everyone should grow one at some point...its been neat to watch the purple start on its own at such a young age of the plant.






The Wappa is bushin out, and I've been doing selective defoliation on her daily.







The Gorilla Glue seems to be doing OK, despite her dislike for the Nitrogen. She'll just have to live with it, as both the Wappa and Blackberry seem OK. I'll take 2/3 being happy.





And that's all for now folks! Thanks for stopping by, I'll be doing another res change in the next day or so, and I hope everyone has a great finish to their week
Well you sure do know which end of a plant to wash. :rofl:
And like I said to Stunger you know which end of the camera to look through. Hehe. :laugh: Brilliant pics Mucker.
And growth wow what's in your well water?
Great work my friend. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
 
Awesome update. Hey, so where's the second reservoir setup so you can feed the GG what she wants and the others what you have already working so well with them? Lol. That Wappa is going to be a beast, reminds me a little of Stunger's Mulanje. Gorgeous as always Rex. And wow, so young to see that purple, and good eye, it's pretty subtle at this point it looks like.
Thanks Jon!

As always, a great eye, and great questions :Namaste:

What you see in the picture where the water is hitting the roots is how I'm currently circulating the water. Its based upon an old school water system. There's a scientific name for it, but damn me I can't remember it right now:lot-o-toke:. So I'll explain it, which might be helpful for whenever you do a system (for understanding of some principles).

So to start, let's take a quick look at the system:


In this picture you can see how the buckets are all connected at the bottom (well mostly, but all 4 buckets are connected with a 3/4 pipe). And you may be able to also see the black pipe that runs along the top of each bucket. That top pipe is the feed line, and comes from the controller bucket (where a pump is hooked up, pumping 24/7). Gravity being, well Gravity, it cause the buckets to keep the same height of water in each bucket (if one is slightly higher water level). This keeps a slight constant under current, and all the buckets mix nicely.

@Rexer , @InTheShed , @Verbalist

After reading the above correspondence I believe the three of you might be able to answer some questions. First, this is the first forum I have ever used so I'm unfamiliar with how to DM or tag and my questions may be able to help others experiencing the same issues.
I would LOVE to get a link to the "free nutrient calculating software you can download" mentioned above by shed.
My experience growing was before the turn of the century and was entirely soil, mostly outdoors.
I am currently growing in a cabinet using "superponics". This uses a twenty gallon reservoir filled with sixteen gallons of water, drip hydro, RDWC, bubble, and possibly aeroponics as well (to some degree). I grew a couple of autos last year and am currently growing a Panama photo.
I am experiencing some interesting pH changes. I am in the fourth week of 12/12 and feel like I am chasing my tail. I am seeing the expected drop in pH once the nutes are added and the increase when the plant is feeding. Then I see the ppm rise slowly and the pH fall rapidly. I would expect the ppm to drop when nutes are consumed. I am trying to keep the pH within 5.5-6.2 with pH up but I don't feel the plant is eating (not much water loss). I don't see clues from the plants but maybe you can.
I am providing photos of the plant, taken today under the 4000K supplemental lights, as well as photos of the guaranteed analysis of the nutes. I can also provide a detailed grow log of the daily readings. It is in Excel format and I don't know how to get it in here.
I know this may take a bit of your time but I am in the middle of flowering and would be very appreciative of your recommendations. Thanks in advance.

F33D77-1.JPG


F33D77-2.JPG


F33D77-3.JPG


Feeding Schedule.JPG


InkedBloom_LI.jpg


InkedBoost_LI.jpg


InkedCalMag_LI.jpg
Hi @Hafta And :welcome: to my perpetual journal.

Beautiful plants you've got there:green_heart:

How long has it been since you've changed your reservoir (complete drain with fresh nutes)?
Well you sure do know which end of a plant to wash. :rofl:
And like I said to Stunger you know which end of the camera to look through. Hehe. :laugh: Brilliant pics Mucker.
And growth wow what's in your well water?
Great work my friend. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
Thanks Bill!! Nope, they get the RO water. Someday I'll try a grow off the well water, but not until I've got meds to spare :laugh:.
Your plant looks good to me. Check your private messages (PMs).
:thanks:
 
Thanks Jon!

As always, a great eye, and great questions :Namaste:

What you see in the picture where the water is hitting the roots is how I'm currently circulating the water. Its based upon an old school water system. There's a scientific name for it, but damn me I can't remember it right now:lot-o-toke:. So I'll explain it, which might be helpful for whenever you do a system (for understanding of some principles).

So to start, let's take a quick look at the system:


In this picture you can see how the buckets are all connected at the bottom (well mostly, but all 4 buckets are connected with a 3/4 pipe). And you may be able to also see the black pipe that runs along the top of each bucket. That top pipe is the feed line, and comes from the controller bucket (where a pump is hooked up, pumping 24/7). Gravity being, well Gravity, it cause the buckets to keep the same height of water in each bucket (if one is slightly higher water level). This keeps a slight constant under current, and all the buckets mix nicely.


Hi @Hafta And :welcome: to my perpetual journal.

Beautiful plants you've got there:green_heart:

How long has it been since you've changed your reservoir (complete drain with fresh nutes)?

Thanks Bill!! Nope, they get the RO water. Someday I'll try a grow off the well water, but not until I've got meds to spare :laugh:.

:thanks:
:thanks: Great information. But all four still get fed from the same nute reservoir, correct? Thus, my joke, based on you complaining about the GG not liking the N as much as the others. But in reality, if that's true, couldn't you have two separate reservoirs outside with two separate feeds, each one going to two plants, thus having the ability to completely mitigate the GG issue (issue, lol, too strong a word)?
 
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