Rex's Perpetual Hydroponics, LED, 4x4 Tent Using TBC 10 Gal System: All Are Welcome, Come Learn & Help

Here’s an excellent article that should clear it all up.

That makes more sense now.
But do growers ever use the CF (700ppm) scale? I've actually never heard of that one until now I believe.

I'll stick with the 500ppm, I use tds but the conversion is way easy to EC
 
No-one’s jabbing, ZK. You have more expertise than us, me anyway.
If @MrSauga sees the saugasign in the sky he can read leafsign like an oracle.
(Wassup Saugs? I couldn’t raise you with a full stop in your @handle. Are you no longer staff? Good to see your dog again btw.)
Been a wild few weeks DD. I've missed a lot lately. No longer staff. It turns out I love my dog more ;).
I think this run will be my last with Mega Crop- works for some- but I'm ahh not enjoying it this go around.
Oh and the runt is gone- perlite bucket removed
Not sure I'm going to be much help Rex. They look overfed to me. Causing lockouts from too much food, or just erratic pH swings.
Since I've never tried DWC I can't suggest what to do. @West Hippie is my go to for these grow types and he's here already. I know many swear by the bible you are using, but it's not quite that simple. Looking at the size of the plant I wouldn't be feeding more than 3g/gallon if it were in soil, but I have no idea how to equate that to hydro.
 
You might peruse this journal for any helpful hints. Maybe the OP is still around?

 
Hey Rex, im saying they need more food, calcium and potassium looks to me.
When you mix your nutrients are you mixing what ever has the iron and calcium first?
Make sure those two go in first and get mixed well, then the npk can go in.
Iron is really bad about causing nutrient precipitation in a reservoir when put in after other nutrients.

Happy 420 bruv
 
Been a wild few weeks DD. I've missed a lot lately. No longer staff. It turns out I love my dog more ;).

Not sure I'm going to be much help Rex. They look overfed to me. Causing lockouts from too much food, or just erratic pH swings.
Since I've never tried DWC I can't suggest what to do. @West Hippie is my go to for these grow types and he's here already. I know many swear by the bible you are using, but it's not quite that simple. Looking at the size of the plant I wouldn't be feeding more than 3g/gallon if it were in soil, but I have no idea how to equate that to hydro.
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time. West Hippie has been a godsend since my 1st journal here, like so many others, yourself included!
You might peruse this journal for any helpful hints. Maybe the OP is still around?

Oooh, he did a beautiful job installing his system. I'll send him a PM and see if he's still around. I want his lids.
Hey Rex, im saying they need more food, calcium and potassium looks to me.
When you mix your nutrients are you mixing what ever has the iron and calcium first?
Make sure those two go in first and get mixed well, then the npk can go in.
Iron is really bad about causing nutrient precipitation in a reservoir when put in after other nutrients.

Happy 420 bruv
Well, I think I'll be switching out nutes- no more MC guessing games. Slept on it, and feel that is the best way moving forward. Yup I normally always add my cal mag, then let it bubble for a few min before moving to next additives. Though I think I added the cal mag last time after the MC- good catch. I'm trying to remember- I was pretty zonked after the last "almost flooding".
Happy 420 to you too brother. Burn a big one for me.
@Dusty Kiefers :thedoubletake: The more you know!

A little late to the game, Rex, apologies. Looks like you're aware now that not all hydro nutes contain calmag?

Happy 420, 'growmie' (which I just learned is hip-person speak for 'Grow Homie')
:green_heart:
Oh I was very much aware from the get go that not all nutes contain cal/mag - the problem is with the MC (well the combination of me with MC :rofl: ). It contains cal/mag in it, as it's designed to be a one part feed. I knew going in that cal mag would have to be added all the same. But...as one member on the forum put (or something similar) "mega crop is a one part feed, as soon as you add to it, it's now an experiment ". The biggest problem being too much cal mag in the wrong ratio will cause lockouts. Time to put it back on the shelf. No more MC in this grow.

I hope you have a happy 420 as well my Growmie- may you be blessed with green leaves and colas touching the sky.
 
MC aka the nute that shall remain nameless. It put my garden on cruise control and relieved a whole lot of headaches when I started. I grow in soil so everything is different. It isn’t for everyone and a lot of sponsors have some great gear too of course.

I like this...
mega crop is a one part feed, as soon as you add to it, it's now an experiment
:thumb: turns out I experiment all the time :)
 
The longer I'm here the less likely I am to ever try MC. Sooo many people seem to have issues with it. You saw the shit I dealt with regarding my water and temps. General Hydroponics was easy enough.
You'd probably pull it off- you're a quick study:high-five:
MC aka the nute that shall remain nameless. It put my garden on cruise control and relieved a whole lot of headaches when I started. I grow in soil so everything is different. It isn’t for everyone and a lot of sponsors have some great gear too of course.

I like this...

:thumb: turns out I experiment all the time :)

This summer I'll be playing in the dirt with my veggies- so I'll use the MC to help feed the fam. It'll be food on the table- ive got my summer soil raised bed kinda started. Managed to salvage some nice pine panels, free. So ...it'll be food on the table instead of medicine in the pipe.

MC just doesn't work for me, in this current setup at the moment, but who knows what the future holds?

It's not to say I'll never go back to it. But it's going back on the shelf for now, and I'll use GH to finish this grow.

I'll be finishing this current run as a modified Lucas grow. We'll see how things change/progress


:Namaste:




 
Happy 420 @Rexer :passitleft: Sorry to hear you're having so many problems with these deficiencies. Sounds like you've got a great crew helping you nail it down :headbanger:. My only experience with MC is watching hydro grower after hydro grower ditch it for one reason or another.

I also had a very recent conversation with a local shop owner regarding water filters and RO systems. He seems to swear by RO water causing wild PH fluctuation and something about how RO filters essentially deionize the water, causing Cal/Mg to bind to the water making less available to your plants. This would also cause rises in your EC while still seeing underfed plants or even possible Cal/Mg deficiencies. I'm sure there are a lot of variables and information he is missing here and if i had the time, i would definitely research the theory a little more. But it's definitely something to think about.

Our family and pets drink RO every single day with no issues. I have also done 2 grows using it with no issues either. But this current grow is using a simple 2 stage filter, and maybe there is a little placebo affect happening here, but i swear we have never had an easier time keeping a stable PH.

Have you tested the effects of the perlite you are using on PH? If i remember correctly, you said it was clouding up your water in the beginning. I would think if it can mix that thoroughly to discolor the water, maybe the perlite buckets are throwing the system off?

Sorry for the rambling, just brainstorming here. Wishing you the best of luck man! :meditate:
 
Happy 420 @Rexer :passitleft: Sorry to hear you're having so many problems with these deficiencies. Sounds like you've got a great crew helping you nail it down :headbanger:. My only experience with MC is watching hydro grower after hydro grower ditch it for one reason or another.

I also had a very recent conversation with a local shop owner regarding water filters and RO systems. He seems to swear by RO water causing wild PH fluctuation and something about how RO filters essentially deionize the water, causing Cal/Mg to bind to the water making less available to your plants. This would also cause rises in your EC while still seeing underfed plants or even possible Cal/Mg deficiencies. I'm sure there are a lot of variables and information he is missing here and if i had the time, i would definitely research the theory a little more. But it's definitely something to think about.

Our family and pets drink RO every single day with no issues. I have also done 2 grows using it with no issues either. But this current grow is using a simple 2 stage filter, and maybe there is a little placebo affect happening here, but i swear we have never had an easier time keeping a stable PH.

Have you tested the effects of the perlite you are using on PH? If i remember correctly, you said it was clouding up your water in the beginning. I would think if it can mix that thoroughly to discolor the water, maybe the perlite buckets are throwing the system off?

Sorry for the rambling, just brainstorming here. Wishing you the best of luck man! :meditate:
Thank you, and it's funny as about half hour ago I was just reading about the ions being stripped in the process.

We're currently drinking RO in the house as well as my pup (though she gets some well water every now and then).

The perlite is now out of the equation. And good riddance for now, devils dust indeed!!

We'll see how the GH nutes play with it. I'll be doing a res change later tonight, and will update with pics and what's in the batch.

In the meantime- I hope all are having a wonderful happy 420!!!
 
Journal Update!
Day 35
Veg Day 20
Tent temp: 25C avg
Tent RH%: 50%
Previous PPM: : 849 (large rise)
Current PPM: 549(reset)
Adjusted PPM to: 549
PH: 5.9 (new batch)
Res temp: warming up to 19C
Water level: reset
Light draw settings from wall: 142 Watts
Distance to plants~ 3 feet

So, I just came in from mixing the batch up, I'll let the heater warm it up for a bit longer before I trigger a feeding. Yup- dry cycles introduced as well.
1 hour feed, 3 hours off, repeat. It's what's worked well so far for me with autos and hydroton.

Today's batch:

100L RO
Base of 30ml of cal mag (brought it to 126 PPM)
57 ML of FloraNova Bloom
30ML hydroguard
5ML Orca

Final PPM 549
PH 5.9 (not adjusted)


So, in retrospect I probably should have come in 100 or 200 PPM stronger with the FNB, and will probably top it up when I check on them tomorrow.





 
Looks like that should work out for ya rexer. Hopefully so.

I didn't realize we were thinking of 2 different Lucas formulas when I mentioned it lol I was referring to the bottled nutes, if you've used this before, all the power to ya. I've personally never used the maxibloom.

They seem happy, new growth should look better this time around.
 
Looks like that should work out for ya rexer. Hopefully so.

I didn't realize we were thinking of 2 different Lucas formulas when I mentioned it lol I was referring to the bottled nutes, if you've used this before, all the power to ya. I've personally never used the maxibloom.

They seem happy, new growth should look better this time around.
Thanks! Yeah for the Lucas formula I've used a few variations based on
Post in thread 'Lucas Formula - Bloom nutes' Lucas Formula - Bloom nutes

Hopefully I got it right lol.
 
I'm sure you did, it seems quite simple. I've got the full flora series lineup and never tried Lucas yet. Some day
 
Journal Update!
Day 37
Veg Day 22
Tent temp: 25C avg
Tent RH%: 50~70%
Previous PPM: : 733
Current PPM: 731
Adjusted PPM to
: 731 (not adjusted)
PH: 6.6, reset to 5.7
Res temp: 19.6C
Water level: down slightly
Light draw from wall: ~240 Watts
Distance to plants~ 3 feet

So, there was a rise in PPM after the change of nutes. I kinda expected it, residuals on the hydroton. But since I was planning a slight bump- I let it ride to give them a chance. When I checked the res yesterday, the ph had risen to close to 7. Then I decided to try a different approach. I had one product on the shelf that I hadn't really played with, Mycos Chum. Seems and sounds like one of those watse of money products, and I haven't read or seen anyone else using it (i didn't really look too hard)- only reason I bought it was it was made by same company as Great White & Orca....and, there is a hidden bonus- it acts as a great PH down while stretching your herd out.

This morning was a wonderful sight. Color is where it should- some slight nute burn but hey, it's a drastic improvement.

So, not to jinx myself- but things may actually be somewhat back on track. My change and nute mix seems to be doing its thing. Let's wait & see :cheesygrinsmiley:







 
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