Renegade's Hydro Flux - Featuring TwiLight Group's 432 Watt Spider COB LED

PlanetJ said:
If you want more couch-lock from a meds-batch, you can decarboxylate the buds by putting them in a oven-proof and airtight container and 'baking' them for half an hour @ 122C/252F. What this does is first convert THCA to THC (this normally happens during smoking/vaping) and if you continue, it will convert most THC to CBN.

See Decarboxylation | Skunk Pharm Research LLC
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Nice share .....but i have a question about decarbing the weed for more of a couchlock........if by vaping or smoking the weed you stated that it decarbs then......if you do it in the oven first and then smoke or vape it wont you lose some of the potency.....now this is just my thinking but what happens to the decarbed bud when it is smoked or vaped....since essentially you are decarbing it twice:)? not trying to step on your toes.....just that was new to me......King John did tell me to decarb it before making butter, but hadnt heard to increase couch lock......hopefully my question makes sense PlanetJ:)lol:Namaste:
 
What happens when you decarb is that you convert (by heat) the THCA to THC. It 'activates' the THC .. you could then eat it and get high, whereas when you would eat normally dried and cured bud, you would not. At the same time tho, it degrades THC to CBN. CBN is responsible for what people call couch-lock .. the feeling of not wanting or able to get up any more.

Decarbing alters the chemical compounds in there, by heat. If you smoke or vape decarbed bud, you will just be inhaling a lot more CBN then you will THC. The temperature at which you decarb is a lot lower then at which you smoke or vape. If you decarb too long, you will have messed up your product.

So when you normally smoke, the main thing that happens is THCA to THC, and some THC to CBN. When you decarb first, you'll have taken care of the THCA to THC conversion, and while smoking you'll get a lot more CBN because the heat of the burning tip will conver a part of the present THC to CBN.

If you decarb even longer, there will be no THC left in there, and everything will have degraded to CBN .. and be more sedative then anything else.

It will not be less potent, just have a very different effect.


I have no toes to step on, and everything I 'know' is accepted from other sources after reasonable investigation .. it is not first hand knowledge. It works for me tho ;)
 
There is quite a lot of conflicting research to be found all over the place .. CBN is indeed also the anti-inflammatory one, but also the one responsible for part of the effect of the high. Multiple sources all confirm this .. it's just that they explain it differently and ascribe it to different processes ... aka, it is not well understood yet.
 
Great info share :) Bravo! :)
 
Well F'n said and GREAT share my friend.

You had me at THC (but the full...dummied down version...and don't take that as an insult...by all means....it's a compliment). Your explanation made it easy for me to understand and attempt.

I haven't even begun to dive into the medical aspect of cannabis and will probably save that for retirement...LOL.

But right now I'm glad I have a little more food for thought and will probably do that with some of this upcoming harvest. I've already cut and pasted your post...LOL.

As far as when did I begin to test....wifey and I have been enjoying some popcorn for a few weeks now. And I've been paying attention to the high and have been questioning her about hers.

I started testing as soon as the trichomes were at least 75% on the buds and sugar leaves. I did this on purpose since there's a lot of talk about when to test and the amount of THC. Most say there was no value in the leaf's at defol. And there was never any further questions about doing it in flower. I had already questioned that early on since we all know that the THC is produced in the trichomes. In my mind if I have trichomes I should have some THC. Biggest question was when does it begin and when does it start to become valuable?

So I began pulling weekly samples for weekend smoking. Weekend for me but just about every dam day for her...LOL. When I log back in later i'll check my journal for when I began but I think it was in week 5 or 6 of bloom.

Nirvana's "Blue Mystic", 7-9 week bloom period.

As expected the longer she flowered and the longer the drying out period the better the nice gentle high was. Like I've said earlier somewhere...the high is nice and doesn't stop me from focusing and getting things done. If I slow down and rest...in the evening...I can get lost for a bit but not a lot or any real extended period of time. And it's been perfect for weekend afternoon naps....LOL.

Yea, I like this kind of high better than couch lock and now I have means to create couch lock out of what I harvest early (well pre amber trichomes). She'll be better then 75% and as close to 80 or 90% cloudy with a possibility of 10% amber (based on the input from friends) when I chop.

Gonna pull a popcorn tonight and scope her.

So the next string of questions regarding your technique would be....

How long do you wait before trying this method? Fresh cured, a week old, a month? The longer the better?


PlanetJ said:
What happens when you decarb is that you convert (by heat) the THCA to THC. It 'activates' the THC .. you could then eat it and get high, whereas when you would eat normally dried and cured bud, you would not. At the same time tho, it degrades THC to CBN. CBN is responsible for what people call couch-lock .. the feeling of not wanting or able to get up any more.

Decarbing alters the chemical compounds in there, by heat. If you smoke or vape decarbed bud, you will just be inhaling a lot more CBN then you will THC. The temperature at which you decarb is a lot lower then at which you smoke or vape. If you decarb too long, you will have messed up your product.

So when you normally smoke, the main thing that happens is THCA to THC, and some THC to CBN. When you decarb first, you'll have taken care of the THCA to THC conversion, and while smoking you'll get a lot more CBN because the heat of the burning tip will conver a part of the present THC to CBN.

If you decarb even longer, there will be no THC left in there, and everything will have degraded to CBN .. and be more sedative then anything else.

It will not be less potent, just have a very different effect.


I have no toes to step on, and everything I 'know' is accepted from other sources after reasonable investigation .. it is not first hand knowledge. It works for me tho ;)
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Just pop'n in...

We are officially in harvest mode. Day 2 of the hot water bath. She is ready for chop. Some of her branches are falling over. So I'll chop her tomorrow.

I will probably branch her at first to hang for a couple more days. Will know for sure if the outer is at all crispy. Right now it's very resiny...LOL. Almost oily...???

And oh the smell....LOL. I love to just stick a finger or two in there and smell them for a couple hours....LOL.

You guys ain't so weird after all....LOL.

Will post pics of the before and after.
 
Oh...LOL.

Broke down and bought a scale.... Measures from 0.1 to 1000 grams. No way I'm going to hit that mark but at least we'll know what we pulled off her.

I'll weight her at chop and just before jarring for further curing. Then maybe again in a month or two to check the weight loss.
 
Renegade69 said:
How long do you wait before trying this method? Fresh cured, a week old, a month? The longer the better?
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First of al, let me please emphasize that it is NOT my technique. I found it when researching how to make vegetable glycerin extract with canabis.

THC degrades to CBN over time ... decarbing just transforms THCA to THC (the active version) and speeds up that natural proces. The older the weed, the less you want to decarb. I never heard of curing bud before I got here .. that's all new to me :p
 
An air tight container for the oven? What are you using? I can't think of something that's air tight and oven safe.


PlanetJ said:
First of al, let me please emphasize that it is NOT my technique. I found it when researching how to make vegetable glycerin extract with canabis.

THC degrades to CBN over time ... decarbing just transforms THCA to THC (the active version) and speeds up that natural proces. The older the weed, the less you want to decarb. I never heard of curing bud before I got here .. that's all new to me :p
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07 Dec 14, Sunday, Day 142, Week 21 Day 2, Day 64 of 12/12, Week 8 Day 58 of Pistils
Boiled water on Thursday. Changed out the res on Friday and refilled with hot water.

Chopped this morning. 3 days...branches were falling over. Chopped and hung in cabinet to continue curing. Res and LED cleaned and boxed up.

Wet weight is 266g. Left cola was 26 and right was 22. So what's that dry? About half? No idea what it should be or if this is good. But one plant for dam near 6 months of which 3 plus months was for training, it better be good...LOL.

And the smell...oh the smell...LOL. I picked this strain for the hopes that it would give me that berry that it claims to give. I like the fruity flavors. She didn't disappoint me.

Along with the smell is the sticky icky.... I'm sure I felt a little oiliness and the scissors were a pain to clean even just from cutting the arms for hanging.

The buds are very tight. Most of them about a medicine bottle thickness. I'm sure they will shrink with curing but they will still be tight so that's a good thing. I didn't realize that the trichomes had grown under the leafs as well as top. Nice...LOL.

Root ball was smaller than I expected. It seemed to form on the surface and stayed where the bubbles were coming up. The BP6 failed in this category. Next time I use 2 air stones. Also, not sold on the use of Hydroguard. As you can see in the pics the roots were brown. I thought the Hydroguard cleaned the res up and gave you whiter roots. At 2ml per gallon?? I'll give it another try with the next grown and will bump up to 4ml per gallon.

Stayed with GH's Performance Pack series the whole grow. May switch to AN's PH balanced nutrients for next grow. Not sure it would be a good time trying a different series during an important grow (BID tribute) so may stick with GH for now but change out after the January grow. Other than the Hydroguard, I supplemented with cal/mag and introduced "Snow Storm Ultra" during bloom. Of all the changes and add on's "Snow Storm Ultra" has been the best by far. Will not grow without it from here on out. Thanks King...

So we are in the curing phase and will begin to close things out.

In my opinion the "Spider" did its job. It's an LED the grows weed...LOL. There was the expected heat issues that COB's of the past had but it was easily corrected by turning up intakes and exhaust.

The "Spider" was allowed to get as close as 6" in the beginning for about a week with no issues. Then a small scare mid way thru flower/bloom when the plant grew to within 6" of the "Spider" at its highest point. And the tops of the left main had some very minor curling. Was nothing that could be done so I just held my breath. Luckily at the same time the chiller was working overtime in keeping the res temps low. Seemed to work in helping with the overall temp in the cabinet which helped keep the temps in the low 80's. Res temps averaged 72-75.

The "Spider" performed very well during the vegative stage and flux training. That impressed me the most about the light. Every time the arms were pulled down they were trying to pull themselves up within hours.

If there was any problem with the "Spider" it would be light penetration. I needed to defol more than normal during flower/bloom to give the lower branches more light.

If I had to do it again I would order this light with more white for the brightness and deeper penetration.

Overall, I am very, very happy with TwiLight Group's 432watt "Spider" COB LED. It performed as expected.

With its low cost (shipping is included in cost), ease of ordering, short turnaround, warranty and immediate customer service it's a great investment for any small grow hobbyist.

Curing and smoke report wrap up to follow.

In the mean time here are the pics of the chop....
 
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Time to chill and watch some football....LOL.
 
Bravo my friend! Many congrats on a great grow and show! :)
 
Renegade69 said:
An air tight container for the oven? What are you using? I can't think of something that's air tight and oven safe.
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If you look at the graph on the site I linked, you'll see different temperatures and times .. I just put mine in a weck jar, and place it in the oven @ 223F/106C with an open lid for 10 minutes, to let air expand and warm .. then close it for the rest of the hour, and let it cool in the oven.

At that temperature, nothing much will happen with the rubber packing. It requires a stable oven temp tho, and not those cheap ass things that hover between 80 and 120 when you set it to 106 ;)
 
It's primary purpose is to activate THC tho .. and not degrade to CBN .. so if you want to up the CBN, you want to decarb longer then advertised there .. I dunno how much longer .. I never tried to up the CBN to get more couchlock .. I prefer head-high
 
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