Recess Is Over - Now To Muck Up The Lesson

This grail thread is the best novel one could read (if the subject is of interest)

Nevil
Here is a quote from Sam the skunkman made on ICMAG in 2008
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Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know.
-SamS
Duh!
And so there is no further confusion, I have never met the Haze bros and I never got a useful haze clone from anybody.
If you want me to speculate (I know you do), I would say that the seeds that I bought, were seeds that he got off his neighbours (haze bros.) with the admonition not to give them to anyone. He sold them to me and now he's trying to cover his arse, by saying that the sale was conditional. Can you believe it, selling seeds to a seed company that were 15+ years old with the warning that none might come up, but if they do I couldn't use them? That sounds like a deal that I'd go for (sarcasm). Remember this was a deal in '84 for thousands of dollars between 2 guys strapped for cash.

They say that if you smell a skunk, you might think that it's full of shit.
Well, O.K., I made that up.
N.
 
I love it man. He reads like a straight shooter. Let me head on over to the source. Need to read way more.

Thanks man
 
As you a said grizz I could possibly have something along the lines that nevil is looking for but in the case of him ripping me off I'd rather keep it to myself. If it is something special but. I do like that thread though :thumb:
 
TheBlaze said:
I've heard autos are the bomb diggity. Which auto strain/s would you recommend?
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Autos are bred using what is, concisely, hemp. How it's currently hacked together is in my opinion a giant piss in the drug cultivar cannabis gene pool. In order to breed an "auto" that wasn't an abomination there'd have to be more time (years) and space (thousands of m2) allocated to getting it refined enough to be acceptable. There isn't a shop out there selling autos that's put in the work on that scope, so my opinion would be to avoid them like you would an HIV-riddled Thai ladyboy.
Look at it this way; A noob has an auto, and some photoperiod plants. The noob gets a male & thinks, "I should make photo x auto, and create my own auto seeds!" Well, the seeds won't be wholly auto, and when the noob grow them you find that out, possibly at a cost of time/space etc. Not to mention the noob doesn't know what else from the donor auto got into the cross they made-variables like that might not be good. And if they share them with other noobs, who maybe make their own seeds, who also share them, you wind up spreading around diluted hemp crap with unstable characteristics which can't be good for anyone.
Neville tried building, essentially, autos, using Ruderalis Hemp, back in the 80's as a way for outdoor growers with very short daylight periods to run drug cultivar hybrids. It didn't work out very well & it was scrapped. Notice Shanti doesn't offer autos. (Also notice he doesn't breed feminized seeds.) I'm not saying that autos have to be a bad thing but as I stated above it's not going to be some jerkoff using a closet and a couple of lights to revolutionize the industry.
Before there's a parade into the thread with "BUT BUT LOOK AT THIS AUTO!" posts, yeah, I've seen the pictures. Yup, they're pot plants, and they don't look bad. My issue with them is more academic as I have no beef with the stated practical applications.
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Wow, this thread sure got spiced up in a hurry.. What was it I said a week or so ago Grizz?? Something about the amount of different discussion in here I think... Well there we have it, I come back and there is pages full of all sorts of info that I wish I could weigh in on. but I will be one of those growers that sits down and shuts the hell up to learn something :) I have been intrigued in finding some more solid "almost" original genetics like the ones you all speak of. If someone could direct me to reliable sources for seeds in this category it would be greatly appreciated.. Something that's not crossed with more than 4 strains like everything out there today, something that I smoked as a teen 15 or 20 years ago.. I do not know a whole lot about breeding but I do a fair share of reading and soaking things up, which I will continue to do right here!
 
dick23rk said:
Wow, this thread sure got spiced up in a hurry.. What was it I said a week or so ago Grizz?? Something about the amount of different discussion in here I think... Well there we have it, I come back and there is pages full of all sorts of info that I wish I could weigh in on. but I will be one of those growers that sits down and shuts the hell up to learn something :) I have been intrigued in finding some more solid "almost" original genetics like the ones you all speak of. If someone could direct me to reliable sources for seeds in this category it would be greatly appreciated.. Something that's not crossed with more than 4 strains like everything out there today, something that I smoked as a teen 15 or 20 years ago.. I do not know a whole lot about breeding but I do a fair share of reading and soaking things up, which I will continue to do right here!
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My advice; Read up at Mr. Nice seedbank and research - intro they have a forum with lots of info & pics. Then select from old school stock including authentic Northern Lights, Skunk, & Afghani, & perhaps toss in some Super Silver Haze to round off the shopping trip. Mr. Nice Seeds (MNS) are available straight from the source or through the more popular seed sellers.
 
Skunkworkz said:
Autos are bred using what is, concisely, hemp. How it's currently hacked together is in my opinion a giant piss in the drug cultivar cannabis gene pool. In order to breed an "auto" that wasn't an abomination there'd have to be more time (years) and space (thousands of m2) allocated to getting it refined enough to be acceptable. There isn't a shop out there selling autos that's put in the work on that scope, so my opinion would be to avoid them like you would an HIV-riddled Thai ladyboy.
Look at it this way; A noob has an auto, and some photoperiod plants. The noob gets a male & thinks, "I should make photo x auto, and create my own auto seeds!" Well, the seeds won't be wholly auto, and when the noob grow them you find that out, possibly at a cost of time/space etc. Not to mention the noob doesn't know what else from the donor auto got into the cross they made-variables like that might not be good. And if they share them with other noobs, who maybe make their own seeds, who also share them, you wind up spreading around diluted hemp crap with unstable characteristics which can't be good for anyone.
Neville tried building, essentially, autos, using Ruderalis Hemp, back in the 80's as a way for outdoor growers with very short daylight periods to run drug cultivar hybrids. It didn't work out very well & it was scrapped. Notice Shanti doesn't offer autos. (Also notice he doesn't breed feminized seeds.) I'm not saying that autos have to be a bad thing but as I stated above it's not going to be some jerkoff using a closet and a couple of lights to revolutionize the industry.
Before there's a parade into the thread with "BUT BUT LOOK AT THIS AUTO!" posts, yeah, I've seen the pictures. Yup, they're pot plants, and they don't look bad. My issue with them is more academic as I have no beef with the stated practical applications.
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So if I read that right...you're saying get an auto, any auto. As long as it's purple. Right? :cheesygrinsmiley:

I was just messing with you bud. I'm not a fan of autos, although I pretty much only grow fems. In fact, only regs I've grown to fruition are new blue diesel. Loved that. Hording 3 beans, and will pop those when I'm comfortable with cloning.

Your response was good though. I didn't know about the hemp/auto connection.
 
Just a quick thought.
Outside of old school genetics suppliers MNS, (who I'm not affiliated with,) and Sensi Seeds (same disclaimer applies) I'm not going to recommend any specific seed sellers or breeders so please don't ask. I have plenty of opinions on "who sucks" and "who's great" in the game, but outside of discussing the merits of various strains & hybrids by makeup I have no interest in throwing shade (or plaudits) at the various personalities involved. (This may change lol) Suffice it to say that I'm certain that the vast majority are fucking hacks who're after your money &/or your YouTube views & give not a solitary fuck if you're growing 100/100 grade herb, contrary to what their vacuous, florid ad copy says. So if you mention a breeder or seller, if you want my opinion it might serve you well to read between the lines as to what I don't say, possibly (maybe, maybe not) carries its own meaning. Or maybe it doesn't and you really need to get outside more. .
 
Skunkworkz said:
My advice; Read up at Mr. Nice seedbank and research - intro they have a forum with lots of info & pics. Then select from old school stock including authentic Northern Lights, Skunk, & Afghani, & perhaps toss in some Super Silver Haze to round off the shopping trip. Mr. Nice Seeds (MNS) are available straight from the source or through the more popular seed sellers.
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Thanks very much! Have heard the name multiple times but had never looked into it directly. I will certainly check out the link as well! Always up for learning more of where all these strains came from :)

TheBlaze said:
So if I read that right...you're saying get an auto, any auto. As long as it's purple. Right? :cheesygrinsmiley:
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Dam right it better be purple! lmao
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TheBlaze said:
So if I read that right...you're saying get an auto, any auto. As long as it's purple. Right? :cheesygrinsmiley:

I was just messing with you bud. I'm not a fan of autos, although I pretty much only grow fems. In fact, only regs I've grown to fruition are new blue diesel. Loved that. Hording 3 beans, and will pop those when I'm comfortable with cloning.

Your response was good though. I didn't know about the hemp/auto connection.
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Thanks .
EZ Cloners (aero) work really well.
If you want help with cloning into rockwool, lmk.
 
Thanks!

I bought one of those bubble cloner jobbies, but it has been collecting dust these past 7 months. Now that the second tent is up and running, I should dig it up and give it a bash.
 
Home for weekend, everything's looking good.. only room to take one photo. Durple pream bud.. frosty girls..

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Thanks mate.. shattered I could only get one shitty photo though. They looking good.. couple jandre clones are going to be thick. Might need to get some extra air movement in there..
 
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