Tomster420
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PREACH
Recess Is Over - Now To Muck Up The Lesson
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Skunkworkz
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Don't get me started on the retarded "cookies" craze, I'll probably stroke the fuck out ...
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I'm glad your in here mate.. sick of trying to say shit and getting into threads to find I was ignored.. you have a better way of pointing shit out.. I've tried my thoughts, an interpretation of others, to now straight out cut and paste. With little to no effect 
Skunkworkz
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I'm glad your in here mate.. sick of trying to say shit and getting into threads to find I was ignored.. you have a better way of pointing shit out.. I've tried my thoughts, an interpretation of others, to now straight out cut and paste. With little to no effect
Thanks man. .
I'm not into status quo; I don't like "Special Snowflakes" and I don't believe that cannabis-centric internet bulletin boards should be "safe spaces" where "feelings matter." If people want that, let them go to Facebook & join cannabis "groups" where they can discuss their feelings over triple mocha frappe-lattés or whathefuckever. For the majority of growers, even the legal ones, this is an outlaw hobby or profession, not a fucking bake sale. And in my book, soccer moms aren't welcome unless they're making me a sandwich. (Watch, this post will be reported by someone who is "offended" lol)
These serious discussions, are serious. I don't find this to be a game, myself. Well, if it's a "game" then the Other Side has an unlimited budget, and a license to kill. That's fucked up. And there's no humor in your front door coming off the hinges at midnight and the nightmares that follow.
I'm fortunate to be legal, but it's not always been that way and I tend to still think like, and side with, the majority who still live on the other side of the fence.
That said, it's time for
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Skunkworkz
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Grizz: On "getting into threads only to find you've been ignored"
Yeah, that's rampant here, & I don't like it either. I also don't like being contradicted with incorrect copy/pastes by some kid on his second CFL tent grow-so I gave up trying to help. There's plenty of "experts" here who dive in @ every available opportunity with "advice" that makes my eyes cross. The solution is to have heavy handed moderation done by professionals, but that's time consuming and I'm pretty sure 420 doesn't have it budgeted. Whatever, we have better things to do anyway.
Yeah, that's rampant here, & I don't like it either. I also don't like being contradicted with incorrect copy/pastes by some kid on his second CFL tent grow-so I gave up trying to help. There's plenty of "experts" here who dive in @ every available opportunity with "advice" that makes my eyes cross. The solution is to have heavy handed moderation done by professionals, but that's time consuming and I'm pretty sure 420 doesn't have it budgeted. Whatever, we have better things to do anyway.
Tomster420
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I like you skunk. No bullshit and no sugar coating for millennial pussies 
Skunkworkz
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I like you skunk lol. No bullshit and no sugar coating for millennial pussies
Gracias .
The thing is, data is power.
The more information you have, the easier it is to grow better. Seed hacks & shoddy nutrient companies piss me off because in pursuit of money they obscure or flat out lie to consumers which just makes getting 100/100 results exponentially harder. Growing cannabis isn't easy to begin with, so my ire at unnecessary fuckery is, I feel, well justified. I'm a nice guy, really. Until I'm not. .
Tomster420
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I completely agree, knowledge is power and the more you know the better your results will be
Fuck the commercialism side of things, I mean it is good in some ways but it also opens the door for shady people to jump in on the craze and make some quick cash. All the while not giving 2 fucks about the consumer/grower. Locally here people have bumped up there prices because of "boutique weed", paying $30-$50 more just because it's got a name to it like gorilla glue or cookies. Mother fuckers taking the piss just because "it's from America". Haha I know what you mean by "I'm a nice guy, really. Until i'm not". Some people just never learn and don't want to listen. Fuck em I say Oh and Grizz I know exactly how you feel about being ignored on here, it's one of the reasons I left a while back. I only just came back when I posted on your journal here
My advice is do what you want and at the speed you want. Even making a fuss won't make that much of a difference because most people on here truly don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. Only on here to get as much info as they can and then say "I know so much about growing" without mentioning the people they ripped the info from. Keep ya chin up mate 
I find this very interesting. I'm a fan of the Chem/OG/diesel varieties and have grown my fair share of them. (That doesn't mean I buy into the "legend" of chemdawg.) I've read a similar sentiment somewhere before. I haven't been in the game long enough to know what a true skunk is supposed to be like. There are no skunks in South Africa either. So to this day, I'm still a little unsure what skunk smells like. I've read that it is supposed to smell like any or all of the following: burnt rubber/cat piss/chemical/bad breath. Some of the best chem strains I've grown, seem to be very "skunky".
I can't add much to the conversation, but would like to hear your take on it if you feel so inclined.
In a sweeping generalization, I'd say the vast majority of "what's hot" right now, hybrid-wise, in cannabis, is pretty much shite. And shouldn't be re-hybridized. Let me draw you a picture as an example:
We'll look at Gorilla Glue #4.
By what is alleged, GG#4 is Chem's Sister, Sour Dubb, and Chocolate Diesel.
Let's for the sake of argument posit that Chem's Sister is an NL/Skunk 1 selection.
Chocolate Diesel is Sour Diesel/Thai
And
Sour Dubb is BogBubble (Bubblegum) x Sour D.
So, we have:
NL
SKUNK
SOUR D
THAI
BUBBLEGUM
Food for thought: The above is about an eight way cross with thousands & thousands of recombinant possibilities.
Onward.
Okay, so, in a lottery win situation, (so says the Internet, I disagree) Josey had an unstable plant reverse (not a good thing) & a few seeds popped up, one of which is now known as "GG4." It's good smoke, but not earth shattering, and it likes to reverse under minor stress. (Source: I've run the clone before.) Reversal under minor stress labels a plant a CULL, and usually one moves on. But this plant, some say, is a "unicorn." A unicorn is a mythical plant that shits rainbows & makes Millennials drop their vapes in excitement-and it looks really good when heavily filtered on Instagram, I'm told. So, the intrepid growers enter it in a High Times Cannabis Cup, which, if you're willing to drop lots of money into HT's pockets, you'll get a trophy. And they got a . (Jesus wept.)
Now the seed businesses gets wind of this mythical beast, and it's time to cash in on the name. Who gives a shit that the plant is derived from a genetic weakness? There's CASH to be made boys! And almost instantly there's GG4 autos, (GG X Hemp, lol nice one!) GG fems, and even funnier, GG4 m/f seeds without an actual GG4 male in existence. Funny. As. Fuck. Breeding with GG4 is like fucking together retarded cousins and selling the progeny as purebreds. Not to mention that the GG4 clone wasn't nearly widespread enough for even a small percentage of the people who claimed to have it, to actually have it. It was especially amusing to see the European seed hacks pump out "GG4" crosses, fems & autos when there was absolutely no fucking way they had the genetics. But they did. And people bought that utter shite. Oops.
The above was just a quick rip not through "modern "hot" genetics suck", as it first appears, it's really ALL about why classic, cornerstone genetics like Skunk, NL, and Haze are really more important to growers than ever.
You have a way with words.
Now I'm curious to know who you think I think he is.
All jokes aside, I thought (and maybe still do) that he is a breeder of some repute, or closely associated to him. Either way, I'm paying attention.
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Again for the same reasons but this time too many props to shanti to be selling his own seeds.. from my observations, dudes buy up his seeds,breed then diss his stock as having changed and not the same, as they start showing their breed plantss and then selling the seed... I just can't think why they do that
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I'm going to have to search, so don't take this as gospel, I might be remembering wrong. But cat piss is a defect note from inbreeding haze, which shouldn't be done as it turns to hay..
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Can't find what I'm looking for yet Blaze.. it'll come..
Nevil
Breeder
1:1 matings is something I'd like to address. People suggest that I'm creating a bottleneck and it's true. A bottleneck of quality. Seeds are usually produced by using two parents. With a 1:1 mating you know which ones they were.
As a seed breeder, the job as I see it is to ensure that the customer has the highest chance of producing a keeper pheno, whilst at the same time keeping the median a high standard. Every packet should produce top shelf plants. These guys who say you have to buy numerous packets of seed to get a keeper, crack me up. The job is not to save the gene pool, but to satisfy the guy who gave you the money. Few people want to give you money to save the genepool (but I am taking donations) Haha!
If I'm making Early Skunk and the mother EP has been chosen. Which Skunk male fathers the seeds does make a difference. Single progeny tested males is your best guarantee of quality and crop uniformity.
Chimera
The job is not to save the gene pool, but to satisfy the guy who gave you the money.
Really? Wow. Just simply wow.
So who's job is it, other than the people who propagate the species, to protect this incredibly valuable genetic resource?
Stunned Nevil, really.
Nevil
I'm glad you're here Chimera. You can tell us how you go about things. I thought that you were the fem guy, but maybe you do other things to protect this incredibly valuable genetic resource. I'm all ears.
N
-Chimera
Most of the original unique populations (landraces or ancestral cultivars) have unfortunately been extremely bottle-necked and many valuable alleles have been eliminated, because the early breeders who worked with the species didn' realize that cannabis is an outcrosser and has different breeding requirements than most flower species.
Nevil
Meanwhile, back in the real world, (of snazzelberries and such like) we find that the dominant genetics of the top commercial varieties are ALL polyhybrids, so where are we going with this? No doubt Chimera is selling pure open pollinated landraces, instead of feminised polyhybrids like the rest of those money-grubbers. I don't know, I've been out of things for a while.
That's a good question Coop. Often choosing another hybrid as a mate that has a duplication of the desired type in the pedigree, but in other respects is an outcross, is the best route ie SSH MH NH CM to name a few off the top of my head. I'd say that most of the phenos that you'd like to stabilise, are the way they are because of some degree of hybrid vigour. Sibling matings lead to greater uniformity in the direction of the selection criteria, but rarely do they compare favourably with the original hybrid as a strain
1:1 matings with pure strains is the quickest way to failure or success. If all you do is one male to one female each generation, you will fuck it up. I'd always do 6 or more different combinations of siblings 1:1 as a backup. I've had to back trace more than a couple of times. Sometimes the quality clearly comes from one specific plant. It pays to inbreed to that plant with different parents before moving on to further sibling matings. It help to isolate these specific plants if the matings are 1:1
The fact is, that working with open pollinated lines is much more of a numbers game. Great if you have a good climate and a number of hectares to work with.
Back in the olden days, people I sold seeds to mostly were growers who were very limited as to how many plants they could grow. Every plant counted, they had to be good. A lot of work went into making the best 1:1 matings with predictable high quality results.
I also gave breeders plenty to work with. G13 Haze was a 1:1 mating as were most of the other varieties I sold. These lines are the building blocks of most breeders catalogues. Those most vocal in their criticism of my methods would often have nothing left to work with if their lines made up of my strains disappeared from their collections. Go figure!
N.
british_ hempire
I don't understand the hostility here, I get what Nevil was saying, that customer satisfaction was important, he wasn't in the business of preservation he was in the business of providing seeds that would definitely produce worthwhile plants.
I've grown plenty of heirloom open pollinated landraces and it's hard to find worthwhile plants suitable for the average indoor grower.
You people criticising Nev here over this issue aren't looking at things with a real-world perspective, but an idealised one. People wanted seeds that produced plants that were productive with their grow resources, Nev gave them that. Maybe it would have been good in the long term is he had also worked on preservation projects but come on, don't be so harsh with the criticism because he didn't, he did enough good work that we can forgive him that. I struggle to think of examples of preservation projects to be honest, sure people have kept things alive from the 70s but a hell of a lot has been lost and that's largely the fault of the US govt. Where did the Mexican genepool go? It was sprayed with Paraquat till it was gone. What happened to the Thai genepool? They shot tens of thousands of farmers and violently eradicated it.
Find me a good Thai these days? I haven't seen or heard of one in a long time, Dalat caused a fuss a few years ago but wasn't all that good, there hasn't been anything Thai derived on the market that was much good for a long time, Thai-tanic was okay but too Skunky, Juicy Fruit was a fruity commercial yielder, DP were going to release a pure Thai but never did, SSSC had the legendary Durban-Thai Highflyer but that's lost now. The original classic Thais are gone, dead, extinct, lost for good, all we have left are fragments, mostly hybrid fragments - the 70s sats the Aussie blokes are keeping going like OMS and MM, and the Haze parents Shanti still has.
You guys don't criticise DJ Short for not preserving the Thais that went into his work so why criticise Nevil for similar things? I'm sure Nev would have loved to have been able to preserve the Haze in pure form, he tried to but incrossing brought out depression and catpiss predominance, he did the best he could with the mere handful of Haze plants he had to work with. Remember, by the time Nev began serious breeding work in the mid 80s it was already too late to preserve anything from Mexico, Thailand, Hawaii etc as they had suffered the destruction of their genepools by 1982.
If Nev thought there were still original classic Thais to be had in Thailand, don't you think he woul dhave been there to find them? He knows there is bugger all left and the best chance of finding fragments of what once was is in Haze and some old Aussie lines.
Sad to say it, but we are largely 30 years too late to start preserving things. There are still patches of largely untouched landraces left but they are in hard to reach places, many of them warstruck, violent and dangerous. Because of wars and unrest, places like Burma, New Guinea, Ceylon and Central Africa have been off limits for decades, in those places it is to be hoped that special landraces survive as they never experienced the US-backed eradication efforts that Mexico, Thailand, Hawaii, Colombia etc experienced.
Grizzwald.. this shits seven years old. Think strains have become more pure in last seven years cracks me up.. seed seller expected to save the gene pool what wankers and save the gene pool for which strain? wankers
Nevil
Breeder
1:1 matings is something I'd like to address. People suggest that I'm creating a bottleneck and it's true. A bottleneck of quality. Seeds are usually produced by using two parents. With a 1:1 mating you know which ones they were.
As a seed breeder, the job as I see it is to ensure that the customer has the highest chance of producing a keeper pheno, whilst at the same time keeping the median a high standard. Every packet should produce top shelf plants. These guys who say you have to buy numerous packets of seed to get a keeper, crack me up. The job is not to save the gene pool, but to satisfy the guy who gave you the money. Few people want to give you money to save the genepool (but I am taking donations) Haha!
If I'm making Early Skunk and the mother EP has been chosen. Which Skunk male fathers the seeds does make a difference. Single progeny tested males is your best guarantee of quality and crop uniformity.
Chimera
The job is not to save the gene pool, but to satisfy the guy who gave you the money.
Really? Wow. Just simply wow.
So who's job is it, other than the people who propagate the species, to protect this incredibly valuable genetic resource?
Stunned Nevil, really.
Nevil
I'm glad you're here Chimera. You can tell us how you go about things. I thought that you were the fem guy, but maybe you do other things to protect this incredibly valuable genetic resource. I'm all ears.
N
-Chimera
Most of the original unique populations (landraces or ancestral cultivars) have unfortunately been extremely bottle-necked and many valuable alleles have been eliminated, because the early breeders who worked with the species didn' realize that cannabis is an outcrosser and has different breeding requirements than most flower species.
Nevil
Meanwhile, back in the real world, (of snazzelberries and such like) we find that the dominant genetics of the top commercial varieties are ALL polyhybrids, so where are we going with this? No doubt Chimera is selling pure open pollinated landraces, instead of feminised polyhybrids like the rest of those money-grubbers. I don't know, I've been out of things for a while.
That's a good question Coop. Often choosing another hybrid as a mate that has a duplication of the desired type in the pedigree, but in other respects is an outcross, is the best route ie SSH MH NH CM to name a few off the top of my head. I'd say that most of the phenos that you'd like to stabilise, are the way they are because of some degree of hybrid vigour. Sibling matings lead to greater uniformity in the direction of the selection criteria, but rarely do they compare favourably with the original hybrid as a strain
1:1 matings with pure strains is the quickest way to failure or success. If all you do is one male to one female each generation, you will fuck it up. I'd always do 6 or more different combinations of siblings 1:1 as a backup. I've had to back trace more than a couple of times. Sometimes the quality clearly comes from one specific plant. It pays to inbreed to that plant with different parents before moving on to further sibling matings. It help to isolate these specific plants if the matings are 1:1
The fact is, that working with open pollinated lines is much more of a numbers game. Great if you have a good climate and a number of hectares to work with.
Back in the olden days, people I sold seeds to mostly were growers who were very limited as to how many plants they could grow. Every plant counted, they had to be good. A lot of work went into making the best 1:1 matings with predictable high quality results.
I also gave breeders plenty to work with. G13 Haze was a 1:1 mating as were most of the other varieties I sold. These lines are the building blocks of most breeders catalogues. Those most vocal in their criticism of my methods would often have nothing left to work with if their lines made up of my strains disappeared from their collections. Go figure!
N.
british_ hempire
I don't understand the hostility here, I get what Nevil was saying, that customer satisfaction was important, he wasn't in the business of preservation he was in the business of providing seeds that would definitely produce worthwhile plants.
I've grown plenty of heirloom open pollinated landraces and it's hard to find worthwhile plants suitable for the average indoor grower.
You people criticising Nev here over this issue aren't looking at things with a real-world perspective, but an idealised one. People wanted seeds that produced plants that were productive with their grow resources, Nev gave them that. Maybe it would have been good in the long term is he had also worked on preservation projects but come on, don't be so harsh with the criticism because he didn't, he did enough good work that we can forgive him that. I struggle to think of examples of preservation projects to be honest, sure people have kept things alive from the 70s but a hell of a lot has been lost and that's largely the fault of the US govt. Where did the Mexican genepool go? It was sprayed with Paraquat till it was gone. What happened to the Thai genepool? They shot tens of thousands of farmers and violently eradicated it.
Find me a good Thai these days? I haven't seen or heard of one in a long time, Dalat caused a fuss a few years ago but wasn't all that good, there hasn't been anything Thai derived on the market that was much good for a long time, Thai-tanic was okay but too Skunky, Juicy Fruit was a fruity commercial yielder, DP were going to release a pure Thai but never did, SSSC had the legendary Durban-Thai Highflyer but that's lost now. The original classic Thais are gone, dead, extinct, lost for good, all we have left are fragments, mostly hybrid fragments - the 70s sats the Aussie blokes are keeping going like OMS and MM, and the Haze parents Shanti still has.
You guys don't criticise DJ Short for not preserving the Thais that went into his work so why criticise Nevil for similar things? I'm sure Nev would have loved to have been able to preserve the Haze in pure form, he tried to but incrossing brought out depression and catpiss predominance, he did the best he could with the mere handful of Haze plants he had to work with. Remember, by the time Nev began serious breeding work in the mid 80s it was already too late to preserve anything from Mexico, Thailand, Hawaii etc as they had suffered the destruction of their genepools by 1982.
If Nev thought there were still original classic Thais to be had in Thailand, don't you think he woul dhave been there to find them? He knows there is bugger all left and the best chance of finding fragments of what once was is in Haze and some old Aussie lines.
Sad to say it, but we are largely 30 years too late to start preserving things. There are still patches of largely untouched landraces left but they are in hard to reach places, many of them warstruck, violent and dangerous. Because of wars and unrest, places like Burma, New Guinea, Ceylon and Central Africa have been off limits for decades, in those places it is to be hoped that special landraces survive as they never experienced the US-backed eradication efforts that Mexico, Thailand, Hawaii, Colombia etc experienced.
Grizzwald.. this shits seven years old. Think strains have become more pure in last seven years
cracks me up.. seed seller expected to save the gene pool what wankers and save the gene pool for which strain? wankers Tomster420
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Good read mate, fucking good read
A lot of the breeding stuff is over my head but I also find it very interesting. I'm newer to the game but I'm already becoming more interested in older strains rather than the flavor of the month.
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So skunkworkz, you tapped into why this is important to me.. I'm so over these scrambled eggs. Not mentioning the tossed salad but I'm an illegal grower. Not a commercial but still an illegal. I don't have the opportunity to be planting 100 to make a selection. The seeds have to be good otherwise I'm constantly buying new ones (added risk) and more plants to select from (each added plant carries another risk).. that's why I'm after cutting down the odds.. if peeps don't know what's what, all they got to go on is a breeders blurb about their so and so strain. And the shits brought by unsuspecting growers and wondering why they can't get as good plants as others have. And then they breeder search, from one hack to the next, buying seeds they could have easily made themselves.. I've done it all, had great local beans, abandoned once I got internet and believed absolute bullshit and did breeders search for a plant that resembled what ive always grown there's great breeders out there, they usually the ones that don't need to advertise and get into the psyche of new growers. They sell enough with the older ones and know the newer ones will find them sooner or later. Wish I found the info sooner or rather ignored the shit I first read..
but I'm an illegal grower. Not a commercial but still an illegal. I don't have the opportunity to be planting 100 to make a selection. The seeds have to be good otherwise I'm constantly buying new ones (added risk) and more plants to select from (each added plant carries another risk).. that's why I'm after cutting down the odds.. if peeps don't know what's what, all they got to go on is a breeders blurb about their so and so strain. And the shits brought by unsuspecting growers and wondering why they can't get as good plants as others have. And then they breeder search, from one hack to the next, buying seeds they could have easily made themselves.. I've done it all, had great local beans, abandoned once I got internet and believed absolute bullshit and did breeders search for a plant that resembled what ive always grown there's great breeders out there, they usually the ones that don't need to advertise and get into the psyche of new growers. They sell enough with the older ones and know the newer ones will find them sooner or later. Wish I found the info sooner or rather ignored the shit I first read..- Thread starter
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If the interest is there, the more you read the more sense it makes Sherlock Holmes they call me I like to look at lots of what breeders have to say. Icbagmag has lots of breeders online there, as mns did/sometimes does.. but mostly for me it comes back to what nevils said. Dudes like a cannabis savant. Not a god but knows his stuff more than anyone.... There's a post from him where he talking to a dude about another breeders strain, smokes the shit and says it's make up, how it was made, goes to say he know the taste of all his strains, not a brag either, says it shit him cause he can't just relax and enjoy but has to study it.. Shanti also, knows his plants more than anyone I've read from.. dudes growing ssh and talking about the growth, shanti gets on, asks a couple questions, says straight out that its not his seed that dudes growing. His plants don't grow like that. Dude says he brought seed from a different breeder. To be able to do that, deserves respect and a hat off, he knows his shit..
Sherlock Holmes they call me I like to look at lots of what breeders have to say. Icbagmag has lots of breeders online there, as mns did/sometimes does.. but mostly for me it comes back to what nevils said. Dudes like a cannabis savant. Not a god but knows his stuff more than anyone.... There's a post from him where he talking to a dude about another breeders strain, smokes the shit and says it's make up, how it was made, goes to say he know the taste of all his strains, not a brag either, says it shit him cause he can't just relax and enjoy but has to study it.. Shanti also, knows his plants more than anyone I've read from.. dudes growing ssh and talking about the growth, shanti gets on, asks a couple questions, says straight out that its not his seed that dudes growing. His plants don't grow like that. Dude says he brought seed from a different breeder. To be able to do that, deserves respect and a hat off, he knows his shit..- Thread starter
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just reading the grail thread, trying to find the cat piss conversation.. in there somewhere but 150 pages long. I'm not reading it again,lol.. but come across something totally irrelevant but some might like to read (any aussies here?) side note; kangativa was busted in '13 and I believe lost most/all his seed stock.. this is from '10..
bushweed
Donald Mallard and moonunit are two Aussies on here who have a lot of old Oz sativa stock. They could be pm'ed for info. Three candidates as far as extra strong strains go are Vietnam black, 303 and Caribe - all of which are possessed by Kangativa. The most Shanti/Nevil like Haze smoke I've had in recent times is Mullumbimby Madness x White Widow (early 90s Sensi stock), bred by Kangativa. Sweet tasting, long lasting and trippy.
Tony Bowers from Mullaways Medical Cannabis often wins the Nimbin Cannabis Cup and may possess old school beauties.
Old Mother Sativa is an OZ strain said to have come from late 50s Thai stick - supposed to be very clear high & potent. Possessed by quite a few around the place - but may be hermi prone. Kanga has a line of Mullumbimby Madness possibly from early 70s Thai stick - not hermi prone.
Plenty of old heads live around Nimbin/ Mullumbimby & Kyogle who possess rare old sativa stock. People at the Hemp Bar in Nimbin may direct a famous breeder to where such treasures exist.
Of course many old heads in California may also possess rare sativa strains - but more likely sat-dom hybrids cos of inappropriate climate.
I believe the tripping weed from the 70s that Hempy referred to may have been Thai stick - my old man smoked some of this stuff and had all sorts of visual & auditory hallucinations - like seeing colours coming out of the speakers & when he awoke the next morning he was still tripping out.
Ethiopian Black is said to be the strongest herb on the planet (apart from the perhaps non-existent Colombian jungle creeper cannabis).
DarwinsBulldog
hey neville, hope the search is going well mate, have you got access to strains like OMS and MM from australia at all? i believe their origins like you say are thai imports, they'd be pretty good to cross back with your haze wouldn't they?
i'm working on a preservation and breeding project and am hoping to grow out some OMS in the future to create a big batch of seed stock to then later create IBLs to use in crosses. it's definitely an amazing strain from what i've seen so far. a new friend of mine got 9.9 pounds from one plant in qld. epic stuff!
hopefully he doesn't mind me uploading this pic to show you
) side note; kangativa was busted in '13 and I believe lost most/all his seed stock.. this is from '10.. bushweed
Donald Mallard and moonunit are two Aussies on here who have a lot of old Oz sativa stock. They could be pm'ed for info. Three candidates as far as extra strong strains go are Vietnam black, 303 and Caribe - all of which are possessed by Kangativa. The most Shanti/Nevil like Haze smoke I've had in recent times is Mullumbimby Madness x White Widow (early 90s Sensi stock), bred by Kangativa. Sweet tasting, long lasting and trippy.
Tony Bowers from Mullaways Medical Cannabis often wins the Nimbin Cannabis Cup and may possess old school beauties.
Old Mother Sativa is an OZ strain said to have come from late 50s Thai stick - supposed to be very clear high & potent. Possessed by quite a few around the place - but may be hermi prone. Kanga has a line of Mullumbimby Madness possibly from early 70s Thai stick - not hermi prone.
Plenty of old heads live around Nimbin/ Mullumbimby & Kyogle who possess rare old sativa stock. People at the Hemp Bar in Nimbin may direct a famous breeder to where such treasures exist.
Of course many old heads in California may also possess rare sativa strains - but more likely sat-dom hybrids cos of inappropriate climate.
I believe the tripping weed from the 70s that Hempy referred to may have been Thai stick - my old man smoked some of this stuff and had all sorts of visual & auditory hallucinations - like seeing colours coming out of the speakers & when he awoke the next morning he was still tripping out.
Ethiopian Black is said to be the strongest herb on the planet (apart from the perhaps non-existent Colombian jungle creeper cannabis).
DarwinsBulldog
hey neville, hope the search is going well mate, have you got access to strains like OMS and MM from australia at all? i believe their origins like you say are thai imports, they'd be pretty good to cross back with your haze wouldn't they?
i'm working on a preservation and breeding project and am hoping to grow out some OMS in the future to create a big batch of seed stock to then later create IBLs to use in crosses. it's definitely an amazing strain from what i've seen so far. a new friend of mine got 9.9 pounds from one plant in qld. epic stuff!
hopefully he doesn't mind me uploading this pic to show you
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And yes that's 9.9 pounds. The photo is there for members to see..