Radogast's Hi-Brix Basement Grow - New Location - New Soil - New Experiences

[Radogast]

Flowering girls

They ought to know something about life by now.

Look at them, getting all lumpy. Too old to make seeds.
Their bright, clear trichomes are turning gray.

They ought to know something about life by now.

Leaves that used to be soft and green are sticky with trichomes.
Pistils that used to be fresh and white are curled and colored.

They ought to know something about life by now.

Half the girls they knew in high school are already gone.
12 weeks of flower is like 90 years for a human !

They ought to know something about life by now.


Flowering Girls by Radogast - September 12th, 2017

Inspired by Canada Guy and Scientific over on Canada Guy's Medical Fusion Grow

 

[TripleBeam]

Thats a good size, about what I aim for in veg - although I tend more to a funnel shape than a round shape.

Happy looking girls - What are they?

Just some indica/dominant bagseeds. The only journal in the kit not knowing the strain.

 

[Radogast]

Just some indica/dominant bagseeds. The only journal in the kit not knowing the strain.

Are these clones of your prior bagseed grow? or grown from seed? <=== checked your thread. It's seed after moving

Nevermind !

(I like the speed of clones)

 

[Doc Bud]

Thanks. I have read and re-read Doc Buds directions, and the most recent version agrees with what you are telling me ==>In The Lab With Doc Bud

I guess I get to buy some 3rd run amendment - anyone know how much 3rd run amendment is used per 7 gallons of soil? I might as well order 3-4 lbs of it.

You should do more than 7 gallons at a time.....and it comes to roughly 1/6th of a pound for the whole bale's worth of soil. No recharge on that one.

If possible, it's best to use at least half of a bale of Promix to cook. Smaller portions just don't work quite right.

 

[Radogast]

You should do more than 7 gallons at a time.

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....and it comes to roughly 1/6th of a pound for the whole bale's worth of soil. No recharge on that one.

Are you saying less than 3 oz for a whole bale? About 1/6 the weight of amendment?

If possible, it's best to use at least half of a bale of Promix to cook. Smaller portions just don't work quite right.

I'm going to think about how to do that. I don't have a room temperature place to store that much soil. The main basement is 50-55 in the winter. Everyplace else except the main house and grow areas are cooler.

Could I cook a bale or two of soil at room temperatures and store it at 50-ish degrees all winter?

Can I store the cooked soil in 15-20 gallon totes for a month or two before use?

 

[Radogast]

Foliar Photo Day

Yet another of my veg girls, Lilly, is trying to flower on me.
I'm worried about losing my genetics - these little flowering girls are hard to clone.
I changed the veg lights from 16/8 to 20/4. I need to reverse this trend

In the flower area...


Agatha (45 days) - She went from 15" to 40" in 33 days, then stopped the stretch.

I guessed at 12 tops. Seems I got 3 large colas, 2 medium colas, and about 7 top nugs.

The colas are fat enough, let's see how they fill in in the next couple of weeks

Agatha is not as powerful and well rounded a smoke as Carnival, but is a nice alternative to reduce tolerance.

Her buds are not super frosty. She has long pistils like her mother

A last look at Agatha. I tied her up a few weeks ago. I missed a couple of branches.

Borderliner XTRM (28 days)

One of my 3 girls that flowered in veg,she entered flower area at 16" and stretched to 17"

I imagine her yield will be around an ounce

It should be a tasty, frosty ounce.

AK47 XTRM (11 days) - She was flowering in veg for a few days, less days then Borderliner.

Almost no stretch, but I expect a better yield than Borderliner.

This bud almost looks like reveg. I think she will settle down to full flowering.

Amherst Sour Diesel (32 days) - This flower in veg girl stretched from 15" to 18"

I think she had a nice structure, just a bad start to flowering.They need the intense light.

Amherst Sour Diesel canopy view.

Cute little buds.

Haze x Kali China (4 days) - We've seen her recently

Carnival (39 days) - 44" Tall - It's nice to see girls that were fully vegged before flowering.

No canopy shot from above - so this will have to do.

Carnival - upper cola

Carnival - lower cola

Carnival - top cola

Typical Carnival pistils - long and uneven so they look like they are branching.

It has been 14 days since buds were well established. They are growing out very nicely.

​

 

[kelticBlue]

Wicked !

 

[TripleBeam]

Are these clones of your prior bagseed grow? or grown from seed? <=== checked your thread. It's seed after moving

Nevermind !

(I like the speed of clones)

Current picture:

 

[Van Stank]

Foliar Photo Day

Yet another of my veg girls, Lilly, is trying to flower on me.
I'm worried about losing my genetics - these little flowering girls are hard to clone.
I changed the veg lights from 16/8 to 20/4. I need to reverse this trend

In the flower area...


Agatha (45 days) - She went from 15" to 40" in 33 days, then stopped the stretch.

I guessed at 12 tops. Seems I got 3 large colas, 2 medium colas, and about 7 top nugs.

The colas are fat enough, let's see how they fill in in the next couple of weeks

Agatha is not as powerful and well rounded a smoke as Carnival, but is a nice alternative to reduce tolerance.

Her buds are not super frosty. She has long pistils like her mother

A last look at Agatha. I tied her up a few weeks ago. I missed a couple of branches.

Borderliner XTRM (28 days)

One of my 3 girls that flowered in veg,she entered flower area at 16" and stretched to 17"

I imagine her yield will be around an ounce

It should be a tasty, frosty ounce.

AK47 XTRM (11 days) - She was flowering in veg for a few days, less days then Borderliner.

Almost no stretch, but I expect a better yield than Borderliner.

This bud almost looks like reveg. I think she will settle down to full flowering.

Amherst Sour Diesel (32 days) - This flower in veg girl stretched from 15" to 18"

I think she had a nice structure, just a bad start to flowering.They need the intense light.

Amherst Sour Diesel canopy view.

Cute little buds.

Haze x Kali China (4 days) - We've seen her recently

Carnival (39 days) - 44" Tall - It's nice to see girls that were fully vegged before flowering.

No canopy shot from above - so this will have to do.

Carnival - upper cola

Carnival - lower cola

Carnival - top cola

Typical Carnival pistils - long and uneven so they look like they are branching.

It has been 14 days since buds were well established. They are growing out very nicely.

​

Holy hairiness!!! Looks awesome Radogast!

 

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[Radogast]

Lilly finished drying today - total harvest weight 66g - under 230W of COB LEDs
Lilly's mother had a harvest weight of 94g - under the 600W HPS

They both had a similar plant size going into and coming out of flower. They both had similar sized buds. The difference is in the bud weight.


Lilly flowers being examined by a newborn monarch

==> More butterfly pictures

 

[Morglie]

Nice job on the harvest. Are you thinking that the reduction of harvest was due to the light change? I've been under the impression that cobs put out enough lumens to keep up with an hps if not outpace it.

 

[Radogast]

Nice job on the harvest. Are you thinking that the reduction of harvest was due to the light change? I've been under the impression that cobs put out enough lumens to keep up with an hps if not outpace it.

I am thinking it was lights, the soil for both was first run soil, veg times were similar, and the other room environmentals were about the same, maybe 5 degrees more humid in the second run. Flower time was a little longer for the clone. The mother flowered fast.


All things being equal, I believe COBs out power HPS, however I am comparing about 230W of COBs to 600W of HPS.

I went back and editted my post to add the wattage - I was looking it up earlier, and ended up talking to my wife about the habits of spiders and webs.





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[Morglie]

That makes sense. I was wondering how the wattage of cobs compared. That's not bad with that drop in wattage. So the buds are fluffier? That's not always a bad thing, especially if you have humidity on the higher side. Right on!

 

[dr.h00k]

...so, basically 2/3's less power for 1/3 less yield...seems a fair trade off when the hydro bill comes in...cheerz...h00k...

 

[Van Stank]

I am thinking it was lights, the soil for both was first run soil, veg times were similar, and the other room environmentals were about the same, maybe 5 degrees more humid in the second run. Flower time was a little longer for the clone. The mother flowered fast.


All things being equal, I believe COBs out power HPS, however I am comparing about 230W of COBs to 600W of HPS.

I went back and editted my post to add the wattage - I was looking it up earlier, and ended up talking to my wife about the habits of spiders and webs.





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What is your heat difference between those two lights Radogast? I am definitely growing more and more interested in the COBs

 

[Radogast]

What is your heat difference between those two lights Radogast? I am definitely growing more and more interested in the COBs

I can't give a good heat comparison easily, I went from 2 HPS to 1 HPS and 8 COB chips. The temperature controlled exhaust fan can cool either setup down to the mid 70s at the canopy.

Walking next to the HPS, I feel warm.
Stand next to the HPS, I sweat.
Moving among and touching the COBs I mostly think about not geting my beard caught in the cooling fans.

With the cooling fans off, the COB heat sinks get hot to the touch, too hot to hold onto for more than 6-7 seconds.
With the PC style fans off, the COB heat sinks get about as hot to the touch as a CFL light bulb, where as the HPS bulb gets hotter to the touch than an incandescent light bulb - I wouldn't touch one for fear of bulb explosion.

This part below is where I speculate.

Heat output is the waste product from elecricity that is emitted as heat rather than lumens (light).
Inexpensive HPS and inexpensive COB have a similar lumens per watt so they should have similar heat output. The main difference should be in the quality of light emitted.

 

[TheGreenYeti]

I cannot remember the exact math but you are onto something when it comes to what the heat is and where it comes from. So say you have 1000 watts of HPS vs 1000 watts of COBs. The main thing to look at is the PAR value you are getting from each or the amount of photons being generated. With HPS you have a light that is about 40% efficient, so you are getting about 400 PAR watts with the other 600 being heat. With the COBs you can get them to run about 60 to 65% efficient I believe. So with the COBs you have 600-650 PAR watts and 350-400 watts of heat. This is why you can run say 800 watts of COBs and have as good of results as 1000 watts of HPS. The other plus, other than the power that you save directly from using COBS, is that you need to use less power to control high temps.

 

[Doc Bud]

Lilly finished drying today - total harvest weight 66g - under 230W of COB LEDs
Lilly's mother had a harvest weight of 94g - under the 600W HPS

They both had a similar plant size going into and coming out of flower. They both had similar sized buds. The difference is in the bud weight.


Lilly flowers being examined by a newborn monarch

==> More butterfly pictures

Beautiful!

 

[Doc Bud]

Lilly finished drying today - total harvest weight 66g - under 230W of COB LEDs
Lilly's mother had a harvest weight of 94g - under the 600W HPS

They both had a similar plant size going into and coming out of flower. They both had similar sized buds. The difference is in the bud weight.


Lilly flowers being examined by a newborn monarch

==> More butterfly pictures

What a great pic!