Radogast's Hi-Brix Basement Grow - New Location - New Soil - New Experiences

[Blazinjones]

I was all poised to buy Shark Shock CBD last spring, but I don't have a paypal account that the seller wanted. So the next afternoon my wife was ready to order with her paypal, and they were out of stock. Shortly after, we decided to move which meant shut down our grow for several months,

Your Shark Shock CBD looks tasty... And yes I think CBD crew is doing great things.. Your plant is proof.

When I was ready to start a grow, my wife really wanted to try a pure Sativa - I chose Lily from Ace Seeds .

I still want to get her a CBD strain - Shark Shock CBD is still at the top of my list. I just haven't pulled the trigger on new seeds.







1-2 pages a day. It took a couple of weeks. If I read any faster, I loose continuity. I still miss stuff by reading speedier than real time, but it's the best compromise.

My impression of the pure CBD strains is that they are good for generalized healing, they do get in the way of a THC high, and they need to be blended with THC for optimum medical treatment of most conditions.







From what I understand THC binds to CB1 receptors and CBD binds preferably to CB2 receptors, but also CB1 receptors. At high enough levels, the CBD binds to the CB1 receptors, including the CB1 receptors in the liver. When the receptors are 'full' the liver doesn't do the conversion of Delta9-THC to 11-hydroyl-THC. Since 11-hydroxyl-THC gets you about 10 times as high as unconverted THC, CBD interferes with the liver based high. It takes more THC to get high. There is stuff with mangos and lecithin that also affect first pass liver metabolism and how you can also avoid getting high.

So from what I understand about the biology, CBD interferes with getting high





I really enjoy this CBD discussion.

My wife has been using standard hybrid marijuana strains for treatment of Fibromyalgia and menopausal symptoms for about 3 years. We were able to have a state legal grow under the auspices of her Medical Marijuana certification. It was a learning experience for her doctors as she was one of the earliest Medical Marijuana patients in Massachusetts.

When she broke 3 ankle bones in a fall over a year ago, she was unable to have surgery due to blood clots and lung damage. Lots of Marijuana helped with the healing, and allowed her to use about 10% of the opiods normal for a surgical recovery. There were lots of discussions with nurses and orthopaedic specialists about the role of Medical Marijuana in her recovery. Medical Marijuana was right there in treatment records. It kind of felt like my wife was a Johnny Appleseed of Medical Marijuana knowledge for the hospitals.


Given my wife's current medical state, I'd like to try mixed THC and CBD oil in a topical cream for skin massage over painful spots.

yeah rad if u got any info on how to make a gud cream and what strain to use for painful areas pm me please cause ive also been thinkn about headn dwn tht rout do to massive back pain from multiple collapsed disks please and and

 

[Radogast]

yeah rad if u got any info on how to make a gud cream and what strain to use for painful areas pm me please cause ive also been thinkn about headn dwn tht rout do to massive back pain from multiple collapsed disks please and and

I don't have any direct experience, but I see hope on the horizon

If you aren't already over there, I suggest you do a full read of a thread started about a month ago
Magnus8's Canna Cream - Body Butter - & Canna Lotion Study Hall


Much talk about the various qualities of oils for skin creams and lotions - absoption of different carrier oils - greasy/waxy - solids - residue.

Yesterday there was a testimonial for

a concoction with Fractionated Coconut Oil (because it is such a good carrier and soaks into the skin so beautifully), Peppermint Essential Oil, and Tea Tree Essential Oil

add some Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) and you are probably golden !

I'm thinking of a cream with low greasiness and added THC for pain and CBD for healing, but if I don't have Tea Tree Oil or CBD Oil, I'll go with what I have.

 

[Tomula]

Tons of love and info here I'm giving you all thumbs up and reps to Rado, for the flow of info! Cheers!

 

[Blazinjones]

I don't have any direct experience, but I see hope on the horizon

If you aren't already over there, I suggest you do a full read of a thread started about a month ago
Magnus8's Canna Cream - Body Butter - & Canna Lotion Study Hall


Much talk about the various qualities of oils for skin creams and lotions - absoption of different carrier oils - greasy/waxy - solids - residue.

Yesterday there was a testimonial for


add some Concentrated Cannabis Oil (CCO) and you are probably golden !

I'm thinking of a cream with low greasiness and added THC for pain and CBD for healing, but if I don't have Tea Tree Oil or CBD Oil, I'll go with what I have.

awesome thanx rad ill go and check it out 2day and see what all over there lol

 

[Radogast]

I potted the 2nd of the 2 AK47 clones today. She took significantly longer to start growing roots (20 days instead of 3 days.) She threw flower pistils after being cloned.


AK47 clone that started to go into flower before growing roots.

I put the Clonebucket on an overturned pot to move the cuttings closer to the light.

I had put my Clonebucket further from the veg light than the mother plants experienced in veg. This was my alternative to trimming the ends off leaves. I figured it was gentler on the cuttings to slow down photosynthesis by reducing light intensity than to slow photosynthesis by trimming leaves.

I've had clones put out pistils before, but that was when a big fan leaf overshadowed them. Forcing cuttings to flower and reveg seems an uneeded stressor. I'll try lifting the cuttings close to the light to see how they do.


The idea of an increased light schedule in veg came up several times today. I'd like to veg faster and I have the heater on when the veg light is out, so there seems no energy downside to increasing the light schedule.


What's your thought on moving from an18/6 schedule in veg? 20/4? 24/0?

 

[brightlight]

18/6 for me Rad. They need some rest too. Indoor lighting is powerful. Fast growth when environment, soil, water, nutrients, microbes all kicking ass together. Seeds over clones too when possible. But your garden is growing much faster in your new location.

 

[TheRedDragon]

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[Graytail]

18/6 for me Rad. They need some rest too. Indoor lighting is powerful. Fast growth when environment, soil, water, nutrients, microbes all kicking ass together. Seeds over clones too when possible. But your garden is growing much faster in your new location.

This reminded me of Daily Light Integral (DLI) - daylight hours x intensity. It's a better measure of how much the plants need. So if you drop the intensity, you can extend daylight hours, and vice versa. I've usually run 20/4 but I think BL is probably right - 18/6 seems to be the accepted standard. Of course, that's a generality. Icemud did a lot of work with veg schedules including GLR. It may be hard to search for, but you'll learn everything you want to know about it from his journals. I bet you could search for GLR or DLI .

 

[Blazinjones]

I potted the 2nd of the 2 AK47 clones today. She took significantly longer to start growing roots (20 days instead of 3 days.) She threw flower pistils after being cloned.


AK47 clone that started to go into flower before growing roots.

I put the Clonebucket on an overturned pot to move the cuttings closer to the light.

I had put my Clonebucket further from the veg light than the mother plants experienced in veg. This was my alternative to trimming the ends off leaves. I figured it was gentler on the cuttings to slow down photosynthesis by reducing light intensity than to slow photosynthesis by trimming leaves.

I've had clones put out pistils before, but that was when a big fan leaf overshadowed them. Forcing cuttings to flower and reveg seems an uneeded stressor. I'll try lifting the cuttings close to the light to see how they do.


The idea of an increased light schedule in veg came up several times today. I'd like to veg faster and I have the heater on when the veg light is out, so there seems no energy downside to increasing the light schedule.


What's your thought on moving from an18/6 schedule in veg? 20/4? 24/0?

I use 20/4 for mine and i get a very gud success rate bout 85 90% so not bad at all n all i got is alil cfl bulb bout 10 to 12 inches above them

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[Radogast]

This reminded me of Daily Light Integral (DLI) - daylight hours x intensity. It's a better measure of how much the plants need. So if you drop the intensity, you can extend daylight hours, and vice versa. I've usually run 20/4 but I think BL is probably right - 18/6 seems to be the accepted standard. Of course, that's a generality. Icemud did a lot of work with veg schedules including GLR. It may be hard to search for, but you'll learn everything you want to know about it from his journals. I bet you could search for GLR or DLI .

OK - thanks a lot !

I searched on Icemud and DLI and I got this doozy of a post

Watts during seedling & veg


The key finding is:

For veg, optimal lighting range for PPFD would be:

So for cannabis, bottom threshold for optimal growth and photosynthesis is a DLI of DLI of 22 would be:
****Going lower than these numbers will still grow cannabis, however yields, bud density, potency and THC percentage may suffer.
24/0 schedule: 254.6 micromoles/m2/s-1
18/6 schedule: 381.5 micromoles/m2/s-1
12/12 schedule: 509.25 micromoles/m2/s-1

I found one fish tank owner who measured 4x48" T5 HO installed 'above the tank' to be 330 micromoles at the water level.
Since I run my veg canopy 2-4" inches from the bulbs, it is probably a similar distance to a fishtank.



I found Icemud on anothr forum suggesting Vegging in the 22-30 range. (I skip the + because I don't run co2)

DLI requirement of 22-30+
(255 Umol - 347 Umol) PPFD on 24 hours daylight schedule.
(383 Umol - 520 Umol) PPFD on 18 hours daylight schedule.
(510 Umol - 694 Umol) PPFD on 12 hours daylight schedule

Since my T5HO are purple spectrum lights, I'm going out on a speculative limb that that they output somewhere in the 280-330 micromole range.

This would put me in the top half of the 24/0 time range.

Where this gets tricky is that the ratings for micromoles per square meter per second. I am assuming that a meter with a micromole (umol) value is going to be square meters per second, so the fact that my lights cover about 8 sq ft (0.74 sq meters) doesn't really matter.

I'm also assuming that my Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD) at 81F and 55% RH is considered 'low decent.' This is because the few VPD charts I have found suggest an RH nearer 75% or a temp near 68F would be preferred. I'm having trouble trusting the charts because even tropical greenhouses never seem to be set as high as 75% RH. In my personal experience, marjuana also does not veg well at a high temp of 68F. These facts make me suspect the validity of VPD charts - still I should probably aim nearer the center of the 22-30 range than the top of the range.


There is also the point that 24x7 is not gicing a plant any rest time. There are respiratory and circulatory changes that happen at night. It seems to me these changes probably serve an evolutionary purpose.

Based on the (somewhat guestimated) numbers - it's probably worth it to bump up the lihgting times to 20/4 and see if veg gets stronger or faster.

 

[Radogast]

I use 20/4 for mine and i get a very gud success rate bout 85 90% so not bad at all n all i got is alil cfl bulb bout 10 to 12 inches above them

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I'm interested in your results, but I don't understand what you mean by 85-90% success rate. How are you defining success ?

 

[mouser]

Titan controllers make some units with 2 seperate 24h timers in them...one for on, one for off that can extend your 'day' letting you give them 24h of light followed by a little nap.

 

[Tead]

I've had clones put out pistils before

4 Days in bloom

Just moved to bloom this morning

 

[LLHmaryjane]

Just from my own experience, I now keep my veg lights on 24/7 (400W HPS). It typically takes my clones 5-6 weeks from rooting to be ready for the flowering room, depending on how much I top, LST, FIM, etc. I can see 3-4" of growth in 24 hours without any negative issues.

 

[Radogast]

Waking Up in the Flower Area


I was down in the basement just before 10AM to get a ladder. Since the flower lights come on at 10AM, I poked my phone in to look at the 3 girls bat wake-up time.


Borderliner (left) and Amherst Sour Diesel (right) - Day 6 in the flower area

Amherst Sour Diesel (Day 6) - showing off her future bud sites

Borderliner (Day 6) - no pistils on either. 1-2" of stretch.

AK47 (Day 26) - 3rd morning after 1st Cat Drench - Nice burst of frost. One quick snap before the lights clicked on.

 

[yankeetoker]

Waking Up in the Flower Area


I was down in the basement just before 10AM to get a ladder. Since the flower lights come on at 10AM, I poked my phone in to look at the 3 girls bat wake-up time.


Borderliner (left) and Amherst Sour Diesel (right) - Day 6 in the flower area

Amherst Sour Diesel (Day 6) - showing off her future bud sites

Borderliner (Day 6) - no pistils on either. 1-2" of stretch.

AK47 (Day 26) - 3rd morning after 1st Cat Drench - Nice burst of frost. One quick snap before the lights clicked on.

They all look nice and healthy....will be interested to see what kind of results you get on the 20/4 schedule. I started my garden on 20/4 today, so this is their first "rest". since they broke soil.

I am already looking into using more of my basement as a self-contained grow space .

 

[CareStaker]

They all look spectacular....AK is killing it, and ASD is picture perfect. Your new location is much friendlier to cannabis, reason enough for to move across the country. The clones should get too much light, they do better in the corner. I once rooted a 1" cutting of BD in closet with no light at all, when I forgot I had her in there. Root everywhere.

 

[Blazinjones]

I'm interested in your results, but I don't understand what you mean by 85-90% success rate. How are you defining success ?

as in wen they r in the cloner box out of 9 clones one died off and so i took another and then one died in soil and the % numbers is a rough guesstimate nuthn exact like what u got goin goin but as for my veg timming so far 20/4 seems 2 work the best only my one clone has died so far but wen i was doin 18/6 last summer i lost alot of clones and seedlings cud have been from shity genetics also now tht i got sum gud seeds we will see but so far so gud

 

[Radogast]

as in wen they r in the cloner box out of 9 clones one died off and so i took another and then one died in soil and the % numbers is a rough guesstimate nuthn exact like what u got goin goin but as for my veg timming so far 20/4 seems 2 work the best only my one clone has died so far but wen i was doin 18/6 last summer i lost alot of clones and seedlings cud have been from shity genetics also now tht i got sum gud seeds we will see but so far so gud

OKAY thank you. Cannabis plants almost never die once they are rooted, so I wondered.

Success rate for Clones - yeah I used to lose a lot of clones when I started the cuttings in rockwool or soil.
In the CloneBucket, I mostly lose clones because I take too small a cutting or the cutting goes into flower and loses vigor.

 

[TheRedDragon]

those are some beautiful high brix plants you have there Rad. you have to appreciate the shine on the leaves and the bright green colors in a high brix grow. Love it!