Radogast 2 - Return of the Clones

Excellent!!!! The community will thank you with bountiful harvests.

Hope you're feeling better Rad. :green_heart:
 
Look at the start of my second grow m8 .. I started out in coco .. my pH was a huge issue .. your plants, look the same to me. If this was already said or brought to your attention, never mind .. but I'm gonna be a while catching up :)

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PlanetJ said:
Look at the start of my second grow m8 .. I started out in coco .. my pH was a huge issue .. your plants, look the same to me. If this was already said or brought to your attention, never mind .. but I'm gonna be a while catching up :)

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Welcome PlanetJ

I just read your perpetual log before I came here :)

So far, the only place I have used coco was in the worm bins.

The clones are in the bigger containers. They started in soil, peat moss, bat guano (all new brands to me this grow.)
Their issues could still be PH as well as bug attacks and overwatering. My wife thinks they are starting to thrive.

The seedlings have been in either the new soil mix, Dr. Earth putting soil, and the local hydro store homemade porting soil like I used in my first grow.
My goal with the seedlings is to keep them alive, and keep the 4 healthy ones healthy until I get them into 10 gallon pots of BuildA Soil Clackamas Coot mix.

I hope you enjoy catching up on the journal. The plants may not be that interesting, but the conversations have been superb. Welcome along for the ride :)
 
Well, I'm going to assume Mrs. Radogast knows her/your plants and she's right. I like that optimistic mindset. :green_heart:
 
PlanetJ,

I just read through the first 5-7 pages of your second grow.... yes I see a similarity with the seedlings.
I never PH'd my first batch off seedlings, I waiting until I started bottled nutrients.

I'll PH the water ( just in case the hardness goes up in winter or something. )

I'll do a runoff PH test on the seedlings and see if there is a difference. PH should be near perfect, but we'll see.
Last cannabis/hydro show my local store took a pallet of soil onto the floor as a prop. They sold out their soil bags within two hours.
The owner LOVES to talk about soil and compost. Those bags are his pride and joy :)

I've been more than a little distracted from the seedlings, focussing on the clones. And the new room.
and the water leak problems (two weeks straight now $7000+ in new parts) and the 5+ feet of snow in the last two weeks.
That is how I let the clones malinger, distracted by worrying about the girls in flower.
 
I don't know how many holes you have in your pots but lets not forget oxygen. Some times my mothers respond really well when I use a long shishkabob thingy and make 7 or more holes from the surface slowly all the way to the bottom. I use a common sense approach and wiggle the thing as I go down, avoiding roots and being nice. More holes on the buckets might be helpful too.

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xtrchessreal said:
I don't know how many holes you have in your pots but lets not forget oxygen. Some times my mothers respond really well when I use a long shishkabob thingy and make 7 or more holes from the surface slowly all the way to the bottom. I use a common sense approach and wiggle the thing as I go down, avoiding roots and being nice. More holes on the buckets might be helpful too.

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My moisture sensor probe IS a long shish kabob thingy.
I poke my girls roots once or twice a day. :)

I'm going with fabric pots and aeration rocks for the seedlings. This should deflect that issue in the future.

The clones are in plastic pots with 6 openings per pot, 40% peat moss, and 30% perlite.
Each opening is done with a 1.5" hole saw in a c shape that is about 3/4 " deep up the sides.
This makes a little tab with the equivalent of a saw kerf about 2.5" long.
On 5 gallon buckets I can bend the tab a little. On these kitty litter buckets, that didn't work.

They were at one point lacking air to the roots because I was definitely overwatering.

You can almost see the six cuts on the bottom of this overturned bucket.

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Fabric pots are an excellent upgrade that will pay you back in spades. No lack of oxygen to the roots here. I have to water the one with leaves and worms at least every three days or the leaves will dry out. I've evolved a technique of pulling the chopped leaves away from the sides to wet and then digging to the bottom to get them as well. They dry out from the pot in, and they do it faster than I ever imagined. Such a wonderful invention, these pots.
 
Yes Cloth pots, you will be amazed. I had a mother in a plastic pot that was way over due for a transplant so I put her in a 7 gal cloth. Within a day or two she was beginning all sorts of new growth. In fact I have to go down there and cut her back now.

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I started to use homemade ecofelt pots this time around and when I harvested the plants and checked out the roots I had no roots circling around the bottom but there was lots of fine roots all over the pot they seem to trim themselves off when they get to the outer edges of the pot. It's also impossible to over water all the excess just runs out the sides. I am going to make more of them for my sundeck grow this year because they don't get as hot either.

Just my two cents worth.
 
With cloth pots you won't see the typical root rounding the bottom or wrapping the sides. I read this somewhere and I am no expert but I think it has to do with the oxygen. The roots find a nice point of balance between the outside edge and the center keeping the root ball in the center while providing all the oxygen it needs. Thus a much longer period before root bounding - if ever. One thing I can say for sure with experience is the plant is green green green and plenty of foliage.

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The only thing you have to get used to is watering more often than in plastic pots which as mentioned you don't worry about over watering. The pot breathes on all sides so the water also tends to evaporate faster. The green payoff is worth it.:thumb:
 
The fabric pots do indeed air prune the roots. They head out horizontally, hit the sides of the pot and then air and stop right there. Then the real magic begins. All along that root little hair-like roots spring out and exponentially expand the root surfaces, which then become bases for more fungi and the whole commit unity runs more smoothly.

Add to that the benefits of increased oxygen supply to the root zone and the water permeability, and they become one of the best additions to your grow. With the right soil mix (extra aeration added) you can sit them on a SWICK set up and they let the plants water themselves and explode in growth. A win all the way around.
 
SBG said:
I started to use homemade ecofelt pots this time around and when I harvested the plants and checked out the roots I had no roots circling around the bottom but there was lots of fine roots all over the pot they seem to trim themselves off when they get to the outer edges of the pot. It's also impossible to over water all the excess just runs out the sides. I am going to make more of them for my sundeck grow this year because they don't get as hot either.

Just my two cents worth.
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And a very fine two cents it was.
 
Radogast said:
Last night they got vermicompost tea.

Tonight I washed the gallon pots and 36x30" tray that had been soiled this grow.

The daughter met the red wrigglers and let them climb around on her hands a bit.

I located some mint and mugwort seeds from last season. I'll be planting them, along with popcorn and white clover as living mulch.
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Step by step. WooHoo!!!
 
Rad: I thought soil should be at 6.5 or even a little lower. 7.0 and 7.2 is high according to my soil ph charts. lockout of Manganese and Iron above 6.5

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Rad: I thought soil should be at 6.5 or even a little lower. 7.0 and 7.2 is high according to my soil ph charts. Manganese and Iron above 6.5 is unavailable. Checkout the pictorial here on 420 and look at the pics of iron def and manganese def. Cannabis Plant and Pest Problem Solver - Pictorial
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I dunno how this double posted on me sorry about that.
 
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