Radogast 2 - Return of the Clones

I don't know about indoor composting (I'm more of a natural mulcher outdoors than a composter.)

I do recommend an indoor worm bin.
I just started, so I am looking at homemade worm castings as a continuous soil rebuilder.
I'll probably just end up with worms in the pots. (I believe in working myself out of a job.)

So far, the worms only eat about 2 banana peels a week. Almost no smell (smells little like warm dirt.)
 
Thank you for that xtrchessreal. My son and I were incredibly close before he married and she decided that his family didn't include us. I'm a pretty strong and confident woman but this shakes me to my core and I have to work at keeping from being disappointed in him. A mother shouldn't stop allowing her children to make mistakes and be human too. They did this once before and almost divorced. Their daughters deserve better than that.

I know you can compost indoors. A garage or basement makes a good location and you might want to look into one of those composting units that you rotate. I can't think of any reason why it would cause any problems. It should work the same way as it would outside. Whatever you do start a worm bin. Then you have less kitchen waste. Use a bokashi system and you can even compost meats and fats and feed it to your worms to make super vermicompost.

Yeah, nothing boring about this journal. I love stopping here to visit. :Love:
 
I looked up the Bokashi.

I'm in! That is awesome! I really like the thought of having worms that eat meat and bones. So Cool. I'm really excited about this!

Thanks SweetSue :high-five:
 
SweetLeef said:
I looked up the Bokashi.

I'm in! That is awesome! I really like the thought of having worms that eat meat and bones. So Cool. I'm really excited about this!

Thanks SweetSue :high-five:
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My raccoon and possum would eat any worms that tried to eat their meat and bone scraps :)

The crows would probably just fly around and complain about it.
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Endlessly.
:)
 
You are such a hoot Rad.:rofl:

Thanks for those reps you keep giving me for just being me. They still take me by surprise.

This is one of my favorite stops you know. It always brings a smile. :Love:
 
Radogast said:
I don't know about indoor composting (I'm more of a natural mulcher outdoors than a composter.)

I do recommend an indoor worm bin.
I just started, so I am looking at homemade worm castings as a continuous soil rebuilder.
I'll probably just end up with worms in the pots. (I believe in working myself out of a job.)

So far, the worms only eat about 2 banana peels a week. Almost no smell (smells little like warm dirt.)
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Worms both in the bin and in your grow pots are the best option me thinks :) But What do I know I think the worms in my growing totes all died.

I am a terrible father.
 
Well, if you farm worms.. And if you grow in no till containers.. And if you top dress with your own vermicompost,then you're get worms in your containers. Big time. Watch them orgie when the moon's full and sit in awe of them.

It's amazing.
 
COorganics said:
Well, if you farm worms.. And if you grow in no till containers.. And if you top dress with your own vermicompost,then you're get worms in your containers. Big time. Watch them orgie when the moon's full and sit in awe of them.

It's amazing.
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They do not wait for the moon to be full to orgie, my friend. Trust me, I know. Friends who don't know better are like, "what's wrong with them?!?!" when they are massed on the walls of my bin in a wriggling hot mess.

"Heh, nothing. Nothing at all."

Them boys is just gettin it on.
 
COorganics said:
Hey Rado, what's shaking?

PH is a non issue in a living organic soil grow. Lots of folks swear otherwise even master cannabis growers, the thing is this: a guy with 40 years experience using bottles doesn't really have things figured out. He just has figured out what amount of what bottle works with what other bottle and at what time. A life time of that doesn't teach you much about how plants grow, Gfc. No offense. I think it's this: believe the mythsalesmen and buy their products, or see for yourself.

Who PH adjusts the soil in the mighty redwood forests?
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I do not agree here .. at all. First, to answer your question: the mighty redwood forest does by virtue of what grows and decomposes, and shits there. Secondly, it will only be a habitat to plants suitable to that environment. You will not find acidic loving plants, in an alkaline soil.

Soil all over the world is not the same .. and natural habitats do not exist by pure chance, it is what drives evolution. I am by no means an expert in soils, and an absolute n00b in LOS, but I can guarantee that pH matters to a degree. Do we need to correct water for pH ? Not if the soil is suitable for the plant we are growing in it. If you have very alkaline soil, only certain types of plants and trees will flourish. Same with very acidic.

I could also ask the question who makes sure the soil follows the CC-mix recipe in the mighty Redwood forest ;)

I will up front agree that the CC mix is probably at the right base pH for cannabis, else it would not be so popular ;) And again, I know nothing about LOS. This stems from logic only. If I'm brainfarting, excuse the smell, and just ignore me :p
 
You're correct PlanetJ. It should be phrased in those terms. When growing cannabis in Clackamas Coots-style LOS soil, ph is not a concern because the soil community takes care of it. Is that more to the point?

Edit: I had to take a moment to express my appreciation for a well-written post. A pleasure to read.
 
Ooohh, the LOS Mafia is polite tonight :)

I enjoy a little wrangling with this, because I face this issue outdoors on a larger scale.
What can I do for my backyard soil besides trapping (shredding) leaves in place and growing some comfrey and legumes?
Shall I make aerrated compost teas?

Shall I leave some soils stony to intensify (non-420) herbal flavors?

My goal for the next few years is to grow and use many different outdoor medicinal herbs. It's a steep learning curve.

Last week I had an offer from one of the USA's most respected herbal authors to spend some days with him in his kitchen and garden and learn. Score!
We are scheduled for June 2016. I sure hope we all live that long !
 
What an opportunity Rad! Excellent!
 
PlanetJ said:
I do not agree here .. at all. First, to answer your question: the mighty redwood forest does by virtue of what grows and decomposes, and shits there. Secondly, it will only be a habitat to plants suitable to that environment. You will not find acidic loving plants, in an alkaline soil.

Soil all over the world is not the same .. and natural habitats do not exist by pure chance, it is what drives evolution. I am by no means an expert in soils, and an absolute n00b in LOS, but I can guarantee that pH matters to a degree. Do we need to correct water for pH ? Not if the soil is suitable for the plant we are growing in it. If you have very alkaline soil, only certain types of plants and trees will flourish. Same with very acidic.

I could also ask the question who makes sure the soil follows the CC-mix recipe in the mighty Redwood forest ;)

I will up front agree that the CC mix is probably at the right base pH for cannabis, else it would not be so popular ;) And again, I know nothing about LOS. This stems from logic only. If I'm brainfarting, excuse the smell, and just ignore me :p
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Yes. Ph can vary from soil to soil, but the contents of that soil will do its best to maintain the PH on its own based on the materials that are degrading and contributing to the humus - which buffers the soil to one extreme or the other. Think evergreen forest pine needles decomposing (acidic) vs a deciduous forest (alkaline). What he means is that with bottled nutes you are constantly (daily) fighting to maintain an equilibrium. Our soil (I include High Brix in this) will maintain PH on its own depending on what you add to it. If you constantly add composted pine needles you'll get a PH probably closer to 5. An alkaline compost will be in the 7ish range. I would assume most of us have a slightly more alkaline soil based on the material that is often used.
 
Radogast said:
Ooohh, the LOS Mafia is polite tonight :)

I enjoy a little wrangling with this, because I face this issue outdoors on a larger scale.
What can I do for my backyard soil besides trapping (shredding) leaves in place and growing some comfrey and legumes?
Shall I make aerrated compost teas?

Shall I leave some soils stony to intensify (non-420) herbal flavors?

My goal for the next few years is to grow and use many different outdoor medicinal herbs. It's a steep learning curve.

Last week I had an offer from one of the USA's most respected herbal authors to spend some days with him in his kitchen and garden and learn. Score!
We are scheduled for June 2016. I sure hope we all live that long !
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Whaaattt. I want an opportunity like that. Totally jealous. Congats!!!

I'm looking high and low for a permaculture-esque job/internship where I can get some professional experience.
 
ClosedCircuit said:
Whaaattt. I want an opportunity like that. Totally jealous. Congats!!!

I'm looking high and low for a permaculture-esque job/internship where I can get some professional experience.
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It's a tough market out there. Lots more would be apprentices than masters to pass on the craft.

You might friend Larry Korn on facebook. (Although Facebook is hard to follow anyone on these days.)
I have seen him announce 2-3 opportunities in the last year.
 
Does composting pine needles truly yield acidic compost, or is that an urban myth ? Do Pine Needles Acidify Soil - Garden Myths

Also, using bottled nutes atm, I do not look at my pH at all .. I drop water and nutes once a week .. the rest they will have to figure out for themselves ... it's a natural selection kinda thingy ;)
 
Radogast said:
Ooohh, the LOS Mafia is polite tonight :)
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That's when you've got to be careful. One minute they are talking in soft tones about Neem and Dust, the next they are suggesting you take a little rowing boat out on the lake. Just remember what happened to Fredo.
*hums the theme tune*

Result about that time with the author. Well done!
:circle-of-love:
 
PlanetJ said:
Does composting pine needles truly yield acidic compost, or is that an urban myth ? Do Pine Needles Acidify Soil - Garden Myths

Also, using bottled nutes atm, I do not look at my pH at all .. I drop water and nutes once a week .. the rest they will have to figure out for themselves ... it's a natural selection kinda thingy ;)
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Careful quoting Robert Pavlis. When you read a few other posts you will see he is not a careful thinker. The forcefullness of his opinions is better than the quality of his conclusions. For example: Compost Tea provides no real benefits- Garden Myths

Natural selection is fine unless you select out ALL of your plants or are causing them to go semi-dormant. - like me right now:)
 
Mr Teddy said:
That's when you've got to be careful. One minute they are talking in soft tones about Neem and Dust, the next they are suggesting you take a little rowing boat out on the lake. Just remember what happened to Fredo.
*hums the theme tune*

Result about that time with the author. Well done!
:circle-of-love:
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LOL

The only 420 grower I have met in person took me in a little rowing boat out on the lake.
He hasn't been seen on :420: again. Bwa-ha-ha :hmmmm::helpsmilie::oops:
:rofl: :rofl:
 
PlanetJ said:
Does composting pine needles truly yield acidic compost, or is that an urban myth ? Do Pine Needles Acidify Soil - Garden Myths

Also, using bottled nutes atm, I do not look at my pH at all .. I drop water and nutes once a week .. the rest they will have to figure out for themselves ... it's a natural selection kinda thingy ;)
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I would assume that when tons and tons of acidic material is degraded into the soil you would get something more acidic.

Re PH...keep in mind that a ph of 6 is like 5 times more acidic than 6.5...it looks like a small difference to us because its just a sclae that doesn't convey proportion. Soil makes those changes (if any) alot more gradually. You could kill you plants in a matter of days with chelated nutes by dropping to a PH of 5 ( over 100 times more acidic than a PH of 6.5).
 
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