Quest for mold-resistant strains, Hawaii outdoor greenhouse grow

[cbdhemp808]

I'm just wondering what changes from plant to plant other than the terps.. and I do think that non cannabinoids also play a roll in the whole experience.

I think cannabinoids in combination with terpenes are the main drivers of the effects. I don't know about the other compounds, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are also involved.

Like around 00's around here the trend started of this will make you less nauseous, or less paranoid or less palpitations... now are these just suggestions or were selections made but then this has to correspond to certain compounds being present or absent or in different ratios that increase or decrease these side effects.

I think THC potency combined with specific terpenes are bringing those negative effects. I feel like THC is the amplifier of effects, while CBD is the dampener. If there's enough CBD in the mix, the negative psychoactive effects will be moderated. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised if there are other compounds involved.

 

[cbdhemp808]

CBD #9 clone in my DIY 5 gal Triforce SIP, day 13 in flower, 4 ft 4 in tall.

She's super healthy and buds are showing now. She's grown 10" in 10 days.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I built two more SIPs tonight... ready to roll! These are 100% HDPE #2 plastic. Now I need to figure out what I'm going to grow in them... choices are Humboldt Dream, Blueberry, Sweet Critical CBD (15%).

 

[Azimuth]

I built two more SIPs tonight... ready to roll! These are 100% HDPE #2 plastic. Now I need to figure out what I'm going to grow in them... choices are Humboldt Dream, Blueberry, Sweet Critical CBD (15%).

I say yes!

Which of course means you need to build a third so, better get on it!

 

[cbdhemp808]

more buckets!

 

[cbdhemp808]

I built two more SIPs tonight... ready to roll! These are 100% HDPE #2 plastic. Now I need to figure out what I'm going to grow in them... choices are Humboldt Dream, Blueberry, Sweet Critical CBD (15%).

I planted these up today with Sweet Critical CBD and Blueberry... pics soon. They were both a bit root bound in their 1 gal pots, but I think they'll take off. I put some myco in the hole.

I had exactly enough grow medium left for both SIPs, which means that the soil batch that I mix in my wheelbarrow is exactly enough for 5 SIPs! Well, let's see... 5 gal of compost soil, 5 gal of worm castings, 5 gal of coir, and 2 gal perlite. That makes 17 gal of the main mix. Then I take 2 gal of that and mix with 2 gal coir and 2 gal perlite to yield 6 gal of the "R zone" mix (where the roots are in the reservoir). So, that leaves 15 gal main mix, plus 6 gal of R zone mix, for a total of 21 gal.

Currently in my grow I've got 4 SIPs and 1 nursery pot (w/ same amount of soil as the SIPs). So, 5 x 5 gal = 25 gal. But the buckets are actually using about 4.4 gal of soil each (due to the domes and tubes). So, 4.4 x 5 = 22 gal. Hmm, I wonder why the 1 gal discrepancy?

Another factor is the volume taken up by the 1-gal up-potted plants, so that takes up 5 gal of space. So, the 22 gal is actually 22 minus 5 or 17 gal. Hmm, I must have used some of the soil for potting up clones! ... 21 minus 17 = 4.

Soooo... it looks like the 15 gal of main mix, and the 6 gal of R zone mix, is enough for 5 SIPs, with 4 gal left over.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Since this is pertinent to my thread, I am answering @Phillybonker here:

My plants are out in the forest with no cover from the rain and sometimes it can rain for 2 - 3 days non-stop in late bloom. If you can recommend anything preferably along the sativa lines that can handle those conditions I'm willing to put a few out to test them next season.

Gotcha. There are lots of sativas that are bud rot resistant. If you are OK with a long season one, there are some choices in the Haze category with large colas (more-or-less "all bud" type plants). The sativa pheno of SBR should be excellent... dunno the flowering time, but probably 8-10 weeks. Durban Poison would be a good bet, and some phenos may be better than others—best to get from a solid source. Humboldt Seed Company's Trainwreck would be a good bet, around 8-9 weeks flowering time. HSC also has a bunch of fast flowering sativas—my best guess on those would be Dream Queen with a 6-7 week flowering time, described as having skunk, pine, orange scent. Dream Queen is S3 seed... "extremely stable." It looks like it's got high pinene. Some phenos may also have significant ocimene. One of the parents of Dream Queen may be a better bet: Green Crack (Skunk #1 x Afghan). Some phenos of Green Crack have terpinolene dominant—that's the golden ticket.

EDIT: Jack Herer deserves a mention... I think a couple known phenos are strongly sativa, while also terpinolene dominant, and with high resin production. Another possible is Dutch Treat (sativa pheno)—some phenos terpinolene dominant, very high in pine terpenes, and very high resin production. One more I forgot to mention: The Slymer cut of Chernobyl, ~60% sativa. High resin production, terpinolene dominant plus pine terps.

 

[Phillybonker]

Since this is pertinent to my thread, I am answering @Phillybonker here:


Gotcha. There are lots of sativas that are bud rot resistant. If you are OK with a long season one, there are some choices in the Haze category with large colas (more-or-less "all bud" type plants). The sativa pheno of SBR should be excellent... dunno the flowering time, but probably 8-10 weeks. Durban Poison would be a good bet, and some phenos may be better than others—best to get from a solid source. Humboldt Seed Company's Trainwreck would be a good bet, around 8-9 weeks flowering time. HSC also has a bunch of fast flowering sativas—my best guess on those would be Dream Queen with a 6-7 week flowering time, described as having skunk, pine, orange scent. Dream Queen is S3 seed... "extremely stable." It looks like it's got high pinene. Some phenos may also have significant ocimene. One of the parents of Dream Queen may be a better bet: Green Crack (Skunk #1 x Afghan). Some phenos of Green Crack have terpinolene dominant—that's the golden ticket.

EDIT: Jack Herer deserves a mention... I think a couple known phenos are strongly sativa, while also terpinolene dominant, and with high resin production. Another possible is Dutch Treat (sativa pheno)—some phenos terpinolene dominant, very high in pine terpenes, and very high resin production. One more I forgot to mention: The Slymer cut of Chernobyl, ~60% sativa. High resin production, terpinolene dominant plus pine terps.

I'll look into Dream Queen, Trainwreck, Green Crack and the Slymer cut of Chernobyl.

I'll start by trying and find a decent version of Green Crack which is strain I'm interested in.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I'll look into Dream Queen, Trainwreck, Green Crack and the Slymer cut of Chernobyl.

I'll start by trying and find a decent version of Green Crack which is strain I'm interested in.

Fyi, Slymer is available in S1 seed—self-crossed once for stability.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Greetings Growmies & SIPsters,

Here's an update from the veg house yesterday...

Two new SIPs planted up—Blueberry clone (left), Sweet Critical CBD clone (right). They were a bit root bound in their 1 gal pots, but they'll do just fine. I still need to add their reflective/insulative wraps.

N-generation Seedsman Blueberry clone.

N-generation Sweet Critical CBD clone, from 00 Seeds. I've tested her out at 15% CBD.

Ready for the next SIP bucket (to be built today), an N-generation clone of my excellent Cherry Blossom CBD pheno #9. This is a little indica plant with high resin production that smells like grape candy.

Four clones of HI-BISCUS, less than a week in and looking very perky—I think the reason being, the moms are very healthy.

 

[cbdhemp808]

I found a new leaf disease today... never seen it before. It showed up on a couple leaves of my CBD #9 pheno currently in flower. From a distance of a couple feet, it looks like a smear of black something. I only saw this on a couple leaflets, on the shaded side of the plant. Overall the plant is doing fantastic and has no septoria or downy mildew spots.

Here are the close-up shots. My first guess was that it's some kind of algae. But perhaps it's "sooty mold" aka "black mold".

 

[gwhunran]

Hello CBDHemp808,

Just wanted to drop in for a moment and say hi. I have been traveling and am offline most of the time as I don't use a smart phone.

I'll be gone again soon and will be back regular after Christmas.

I'll drop this post on a few threads I'm following just to let folks know I'm still around.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Hello CBDHemp808,

Just wanted to drop in for a moment and say hi. I have been traveling and am offline most of the time

OK buddy, have a good trip & safe journeys.

 

[cbdhemp808]

Greetings Growmies & SIPsters,

Here's an update on my CBD #9 in a SIP, DAY 33 in flower.

She's doing OK with nice cola development; however, I think she's not getting enough light.

Top cola. All leaves look healthy, including sugar leaves, but the sugar leaves are distorted/wrinkly in the cola. Also, the leaf jaggies are turned up. Can anyone identify the cause of this? If you say too much water and not enough light, that would make complete sense.

Cola detail.

There's lots of nice colas on the branch ends; however, so far trichome production is light and stigmas are short/few and already starting to turn brown. Something seems off to me... guessing not enough sunlight.

 

[cbdhemp808]

CBD #9 in a SIP. Same plant as the above photos. DAY 33 in flower.

Chunky Boy showed up, lounging on the worm bin. He was sporting some bird feathers, so maybe he just snacked on a bird. Chunky is all grown up now... man cat.

I caught him in a yawn. He's got the biggest teeth I've ever seen in a cat!

 

[cbdhemp808]

Greetings Growmies & SIPsters,

It's DAY 38 for the CBD #9 in the SIP. Trichomes are partly milky, but still a lot of clear. Bud rot is starting to show up, but seems to be isolated. I've clipped out a few small buds.

This is what I call "dry" bud rot, which appears as a light brow color, rather than a grey color, and tends to be more isolated than the other type of bud rot.

 

[cbdhemp808]

 

[Fenderbender]

hmm I'm starting to think SIP in that environment is maybe not a good idea.
As you get a plant that needs to transpire way more meaning only more surface water on the plant for it to fester or condensation in the buds through temp swings.
Fans on the plants at all times?

And well I think light is also an issue here, you're not getting enough of it to make a super strong plant..

 

[cbdhemp808]

hmm I'm starting to think SIP in that environment is maybe not a good idea.
As you get a plant that needs to transpire way more meaning only more surface water on the plant for it to fester or condensation in the buds through temp swings.
Fans on the plants at all times?

And well I think light is also an issue here, you're not getting enough of it to make a super strong plant..

Yes, I hear you. There's a lot of new information I'm taking in right now, with the comparison grow, and with the other 3 plants I have in SIPs, 2 of which are in veg. And @Gee64 recently turning me on to brix. I feeling like my SIP design could work very well starting in the springtime (March?) when the overhead sun returns, and I clean my greenhouse roofs. The Hawaii sun is quite intense. And then I also need to be on top of early feeding in veg, which I totally failed to do with the comparison grow. I kinda blew it with that because this is a bad time of year to expect good results in any kind of container. Another thing I'm thinking about now is, what the heck should I do at this time of year, and for that I'm thinking of other strains/phenos that are strongly fungus/mold resistant. Even though HI-BISCUS showed a very good springtime result for zero bud rot, it does rather suck for leaf mold. I'm rambling now, but my CBD #18 currently in veg, and still in a 1 gal pot, is looking absolutely fantastic and needs to be transferred to a SIP. She's a compact plant that produces a lot of resin and terps. As for brix, I can't do much about brix with the lack of sunlight at this time of year, so then I need to rely more on natural fugus/mold resistance in this case. In the spring/summer it's a whole different story.

In general, I'm still on the path to try out the new strains/phenos on my list for high bud rot resistance... Northern Lights #5 and the others. I'm feeling like it will take two or three more years to arrive at what I'm looking for, and have strains/phenos for different times of the year. It also crossed my mind to try another comparison of two identical clones, one flowered in my flower house, and the other flowered outside the greenhouse in direct sun. The increased brix could offset any negatives from the plant getting too wet from the rain. I have a friend who grew a Skywalker outdoors recently and he didn't have any fungal problems. My veg house makes sense, because I use night interruption lighting, but the flower house doesn't need lighting. It's only purpose is to protect the plants from too much rain.

 

[Fenderbender]

Lol yeah I ordered a refractometer too.

Ah yes the other season will probably be a different matter.
I didn't have too great experience with plastic greenhouses.. as well we used to grow outside without and we got big f off plants with ankle width stems, but well those soaked up moisture and rain like nothing which always made it stress with our weather here... built a greenhouse around it with plastic windows and well the plants grew even larger as they were searching for light everywhere she filled it up entirely with thin stems and branches and small leafy buds and would still grow close to the plastic and get rot from the condensation.

Sound like you need to make a bigger haul coming spring?