Quest for mold-resistant strains, Hawaii outdoor greenhouse grow

cbdhemp808 said:
Planted last night in Triforce SIP #2...

Cherry Blossom CBD #9 pheno, N-generation clone.
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This SIP grow is now on DAY 17... time to fertigate as I learned from the comparison grow. CBD #9 is now taller than the HI-BISCUS in the SIP, which is on DAY 32.

I'll top-fertigate the CBD #9 with high-N liquid fert, solution grade Langbeinite (aka KMAG... K, Mg, S), and a little solution grade calcium. I would top dress with kelp for iron, or include kelp tea, but unfortunately I'm all out at the moment. (I don't use molasses due to its heavy metals content.)

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This plant is a heavy feeder and drinker. I top-fertigated today. There was no immediate runoff after 1 gal, so I added a full 2 gal, and then got lots of runoff.

Cherry Blossom CBD #9 clone, DAY 17 in a Triforce SIP. Just over 33" tall.
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I just performed a search function on the thread that's a way to navigate otherwise I'm lost :) but purplegunrack mentioned Frisian Dew from Dutch Passion.
That's the outdoor classic in the Netherlands, I've grown it as well, It's late October and it's still going strong in gardens around here. And I just looked up the profile and it's dominant Mycrene but with Pinene & Terpinolene as the main others.
 
Fenderbender said:
I just performed a search function on the thread that's a way to navigate otherwise I'm lost :) but purplegunrack mentioned Frisian Dew from Dutch Passion.
That's the outdoor classic in the Netherlands, I've grown it as well, It's late October and it's still going strong in gardens around here. And I just looked up the profile and it's dominant Mycrene but with Pinene & Terpinolene as the main others.
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Thanks for the tip on Frisian Dew. I did some searching... very popular strain. According to seedfinder.eu, it has 5 known phenos... some sativa, some indica, some purple, some green. It's a balanced 50/50 hybrid, and effects will vary depending on the pheno. According to Dutch Passion's own terp profile, beta-caryophyllene and alpha-pinene are dominant, and terpinolene isn't prominent. But there's evidence that one or more phenos contain significant terpinolene. Leafly says myrcene dominant, with pinene and terpinolene. I read a report of a grow if Frisian Dew that produced 3 phenos from feminized seed. One of the 3 phenos had some "mould" on the buds.

So in general, I classify this as a 50/50, with some pheno hunting involved to find what you're looking for.

It reminds me some of Grand Daddy Purple, another strain with Afghan and Purple lineage, and high in terpinolene.

As you know, I already have a 50/50 w/ sativa effects that I'm working with, HI-BISCUS, which is 100% bud rot resistant.

At this point, I'm more interested in sativa-dominant and indica-dominant, rather than 50/50. I keep saying this like a broken record, but... there's lots of options for a fast-flowering sativa-dominant strain/pheno with terpinolene dominant or at least high terpinolene; and, my focus now for an indica-dominant strain/pheno is Northern Lights #5.
 
ah oké, it's just that one is really common around here as it's one of the few that makes it to harvest.. the flavour is also special as yes she grows purple bud, vaped there's a lot of sweet lavender coming through mixed with incense like floral pine flavours. Very delicious, smoked she's a bit strange though.
And it comes from up North in Holland where they speak a very heavy and old dialect that's has a lot of similarities with early English and it's very wet and cold there. But yeah that's kinda an outdoor goto around here.
 
Fenderbender said:
ah oké, it's just that one is really common around here as it's one of the few that makes it to harvest.. the flavour is also special as yes she's grows purple bud, vaped there's a lot of sweet lavender coming through mixed with incense like floral pine flavours. Very delicious, smoked she's a bit strange though.
And it comes from up North in Holland where they speak a very heavy and old dialect that's has a lot of similarities with early English and it's very wet and cold there. But yeah that's kinda an outdoor goto around here.
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Dutch Passion's Shaman strain is similar... Skunk and Purple. It's sativa-dominant and Leafly reports pinene dominant, with terpinolene and ocimene. Alas, it's got an 8-9 week flowering time. I'm looking for faster flowering.
 
cbdhemp808 said:
Dutch Passion's Shaman strain is similar... Skunk and Purple. It's sativa-dominant and Leafly reports pinene dominant, with terpinolene and ocimene. Alas, it's got an 8-9 week flowering time. I'm looking for faster flowering.
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8-9 wks is fairly short for a sativa dominant. i've run 17 - 20 wks in flower on some.
 
bluter said:
8-9 wks is fairly short for a sativa dominant. i've run 17 - 20 wks in flower on some.
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Gotcha. Humboldt Seed Co. has five sativa-dominant that are under 8 weeks, incl. 2 that are under 7 weeks. It remains to be seen if any of them are highly bud rot resistant. I'm guessing at least a couple are.
 
I harvested Humboldt Dream today... got a couple tubs, one large buds, one popcorn. Not bad for a plant that I almost didn't flower because she was too long in veg and root bound in 10 gal. Zero bud rot. I would say trichomes were mostly milky, but not amber except for some on the sugar leaves. Another day and it may have been a lost harvest.

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cbdhemp808 said:
Cherry Blossom CBD #9 clone, DAY 17 in a Triforce SIP. Just over 33" tall.
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Day 27. She's reached 42". Tomorrow she goes to the flower house!
 
cbdhemp808 said:
...and this is how modern Afghan Kush landraces wound up with the pine terpenes. It is common to see some modern sativas that are terpinolene-dominant, but it appears rare to impossible to find a terpinolene-dominant modern indica, with a couple exceptions being some phenos of Afghan Kush and Northern Lights #5. ]
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Hello Hemp.
I am re-reading this.
I was blessed to partake of some NL CBD Auto from a prior grow today. As mentioned earlier, two colas had mold, but the product is delicious. The NL phenos and the CBD really work well for me.
I hope I am blessed to keep this strain going through clonation long term.
cbdhemp808 said:
Where I'm growing outdoors here in Hawaii is a perfect test-bed for botrytis resistance, because we can grow year round and the conditions for botrytis to develop are ideal year round.
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Sí.

cbdhemp808 said:
I've had sativas get bud rot, and indicas get bud rot, and then a pheno of a specific 50/50 not get any bud rot whatsoever. These are all growing under the same environmental conditions, in the same place in my greenhouses. This means that genetics play a central role, and expression of terpenes is directly an outcome of genetics.
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Sí.

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cbdhemp808 said:
So again, the only way to have some degree of certainty of strong natural resistance to bud rot is to know the terpene profiles of the known phenotypes of a seed line.

:ciao:
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I was just re-reading to hear what you had to say about NL and Afghan Kush.
I think I have NL covered, but I am not sure about Afghan Kush.
I wonder how many generations it takes select non-tropical genetics to transition to the tropical flowering schedule.
 
cbdhemp808 said:
Some sativa phenos clearly have terpinolene dominant. Some indicas have significant terpinolene, but so far I've only seen possible dominance in some phenos of Afghan Kush and Northern Lights #5. Whether or not those phenos would exhibit predominantly indica effects, or not, I have no idea. They may have balanced 50/50 effects, or lean either toward sativa or indica effects.
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Afghan is looking good.
What about skunk?
cbdhemp808 said:
One can guess that terpinolene synthesis evolved because wild tropical sativas benefited from the fungus/mold resistance. One can also guess that some original indica domesticates, hybridized with Indian sativas, also gained some benefit from terpinolene. After all, as McPartland notes, the indica domesticates were known for being susceptible to botrytis bud rot. So... South Asia got potency from Central Asia, and Central Asia got bud rot resistance from South Asia. :)
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Re-reading this.
 
CBDMed said:
Re-reading this.
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Hey, Med. I just recommend thinking in terms of the phenotypes, because each phenotype will have it's own "fingerprint" of terpenes. For example, one North Lights pheno could be very different than another Northern Lights pheno, in terms of terpenes, and therefore the inherent fungus resistance of the pheno. Ditto for anything called "Afghan". For "skunk"—if you give me a specific skunk strain name, I can possibly tell you about possible fungus resistance of its phenos. If it's a well-known skunk strain, the chances of this increase dramatically.

Basically, you cannot rely on just a name like "Northern Lights" or "Afghan", as part of the lineage of the seed line you are working with, as anything dependable in terms of inherent fungus resistance.
 
cbdhemp808 said:
Day 27. She's reached 42". Tomorrow she goes to the flower house!
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I didn't move her yet... the soil is saturated and bucket is heavy... I'll wait until it lightens up... easier to carry.:)
 
Greetings Growmies,

I moved the #9 CBD clone in the 5gal SIP bucket to the flower house today, DAY 29 of the grow. Also fertigated to runoff down the tube. She's about 3-1/2 feet tall. This is the first plant I've flowered in a SIP, and she's growing like crazy. Can't wait to see the colas!

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Fenderbender said:
Say Hemp, where can I find like the most complete strain analysis?
I would like to be able to see wide spectrum voc differences between strains, and maybe also throughout the years? like research from now and decades ago?
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Do you mean terpene lab tests?
 
Fenderbender said:
Well as comprehensive as possible? Primary & Secondary metabolites,
so yeah thc, cbd, terps, alkaloids, flavonoids, lignans, quinones etc.
broad spectrum tests.
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There's a lot of cannabinoid and terpene lab test results out there on the web, if you know where to look. I find them in a variety of places. In terms of historical, what I've seen only go back around 8 years. As for the other compounds you mentioned, I have never seen a lab test result with any of those. I'm sure there are scientific papers that touch on the other compounds and their quantities.
 
Ah, well I was just hoping you might have encountered some stuff on your terpene hunts.
I'm looking into the Dewey, Pertwee, Pamplona & Takahashi research.. that's already 80's 90's 00's & 10's but that's also mainly cannabinoids.

I'm just wondering what changes from plant to plant other than the terps.. and I do think that non cannabinoids also play a roll in the whole experience.
Like around 00's around here the trend started of this will make you less nauseous, or less paranoid or less palpitations... now are these just suggestions or were selections made but then this has to correspond to certain compounds being present or absent or in different ratios that increase or decrease these side effects.
 
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