Producing Feminized Seeds Using Colloidal Silver

[Granny420]

Thanks for writing this up granny420. This is really interesting to see.

I am not surprised though by the structural changes as they are. Hormones simply cause them to emphasize one feature over another, thus determining whether it is a male or female organ. The male and female parts are the same primordial structure with the potential to be either. So when the chelated silver comes in contact with some hormones, it binds to them and prevents them from being active. This prevents their effect, leaving new development to be controlled by what hormones remain (or the lack thereof). This causes the plant to express differently, just like a lack of estrogen will cause 'mannish' features in a human female (like lip hair, etc). The collateral damage you see is probably the result of the silver also binding to other hormones and compounds and starving the plant of those as well.

Not that I have a degree in biology or anything, but that's my understanding. Am I correct? I'm pretty high atm.

Aberration

Good to see you again, honey!

so much for your nice comments!!!

As for if you are right... when I got home 3 hours ago I smoked some hash, added a good amount of my special thc/peppermint tincture to a couple ounces of chocolate slimfast (tastes like a peppermint patty), smoked some medijuana, and then smoked some aurora indica... It all sounds fair to me!!! But then... you maybe could have said you have a green horse and that might sound fair to me right now too!!!

Great to see you honey!!!

 

[Granny420]

i hope it does help lol i got behind on your journal too dont feel bad, well i went crazy today and ordered nutes from blue planet nutrients what a great guy!! AND I ORDERED SEEDS!! 11 new strains from Castle seeds i listed em'off in my journal!so when you get time you can see what i'll be growing soon!! things are progressing nicely in here!!

IRISH!!!

I was so excited for you I had to go catch up with your journal before I came back here!!!!

WHAT EXCELLENT STRAINS YOU CHOSE!!!!!

We all need to do a happy dance for you!!!


Now comes the hard part - waiting for the seeds... then for them to sprout.... and so on... but by the time you get to flowering, yer gonna be happy happy happy happy watchin' those beautiful plants grow!!! And I am tuned in for the 2012 show!!!

i think you are referring to the thread i did on the subject, and i'll chime in here and clarify a bit, the cs pictured is not nearly as dark when removed from the container, that batch had not yet been run thru a cycle on the ultrasonic ,because an ultrasonic is not a common item in most folks homes, the color of that at 61 ppm is clear with a slight grey color, also it can be diluted with distilled water to what you feel is right,, i hope this is helpful,

And for chiming in with CS questions - you know I'd be sending them to you anyway... but you beat me!!!

 

[NotaDrinker]

Thank you for that response. It was indeed by you
I figured the fact that the glass was wrapped in foil had something to do with the way it looked. I did not protect my CS from the light in any way during the making of it, and it took me about 10 hours with a 6v power supply (stopping every hour or so to clean my silver and stir). I see a lot of 9 volt batteries x 3, so my next run will be a 25 volt power supply. But I am beginning to wonder if the fact that the batteries are losing power over the hours, which may be helping keep the particle size small, compared to a power pack without any flow control at full power the whole time...

Thanks again for the reply.

 

[Granny420]

Hey granny. A friend and myself sat down to a big pile of ak47 buds with the idea that it wouldnt take that long to find the hermi...The problem was the bong was within reach and well...it wasnt long before we both forgot what the mission was

R2MNot

 

[Granny420]

Hello Granny, new user to this community thanks to this very nice thread!
I was hoping to clear something up that I did not seem to read in this thread.
I am about 10 days into my own use of CS. I made it myself and I am not sure if it is working yet. The hairs are dying, and re growing which is good. I have another week or two to know for sure. But my question is with the CS you purchased.
It is 50 ppm. My question is, what color is it out of the bottle? Is it clear, greyish, or very dark?
I ask because what I made began to have a tinge at 25 ppm, and this is when I stopped.
The research I had done did have that ONE guy quoted as a min of 30 ppm, but I did find several which claimed their 15 ppm worked aswell.
But the pic I saw of the homemade CS in this thread a ways back was very dark. And he had it at 61 ppm.
I am unsure if this is because of light exposure during the making, the particles are very large or if it is supposed to be so dark like that... The smaller the particles the better I thought,,, but his dark CS at 61 ppm apparently works...
So, what was the color of that which you purchased?
Great thread again.
Last summer I did my first small personal indoor grow, from clones, went great. When I completed it, I had a look around for the prices of seeds and had a little chuckle...
Making my own feminized seeds was an instant no-brainer so to speak.
Finding this thread, I will say for sure. This is the best resource I have found on the internet pertaining to this subject.
Thank you very much for this contribution.

NotaDrinker

Honey!!! There are some truely wonderful folks here... it's like coming home. Hope you get to feeling this too!!!

so much for your nice comments. I really am just an amateur with NO past breeding experience, so if I can do it ANYONE can!!!

I saw BigIrishDoode responded to your CS questions - he has made his own for a long time and has a wealth of knowledge about this. Me??? I KNOW NOTHING!!! I buy mine pre-made. LOL! Feel free to visit his CS info page or his journal if you have any questions tho (they are both in his signature).

Yes - the prices are outradgeous!!! Especially for auto flowering seeds!!! Those plants can't be cloned and don't yield much per plant... and that is what inspired me on this endeavor!

So good to meet you, sweetie!!! I also noted your name choice... not a drinker here either (12+ years).

 

[Granny420]

I really don't have much for an update yet this week. Last week I pulled a few Auto Cream Caramel pollen sacs even tho I felt it was too soon... and it was. Pollen is not ready yet (nothing took on the bud)... The pollen sacs are growing on many strains, but most are still small and need time. I knew it would be too soon, but thought I'd test to see.

So now it is just wait for the pollen to get viable. It'll probably be another week before I have CS updates. I will make sure I include real good pics of what the pollen sacs look like and how I take their pollen from them. And then pics of the pollinated female buds too and what changes happen on them. All in good time I guess!

 

[NotaDrinker]

I hope it is not minded that I ask another question in this thread geared towards Irish.
You mentioned that you also have an adjustable power pack that is capable of making CS.
I ask, what levels do you set the power pack on, how long it takes, and what the ppm is when you use this power pack?
My last batch took about 10 hours with a 6 volt power pack. I ran this new batch over night already with a 25 volt power pack and it is still only 18 ppm and the water is looking a bit silvery again already and I am protecting it from light during the making this time.
You say it only takes you about 4 hours with your battery setup (9v x 3) to reach about 60 ppm?
How much water do you use to make a batch at a time? ATM, I am using a little over half a liter. The pic you posted looked like about the same volume as I am using, so I am again scratching my head.
I do however believe that the 25 ppm solution I have been using for the last 17 days or so is beginning to work, but my plants are not disliking it near as bad as yours do Granny, and I bet the ppm has something to do with it. I have spotting on the leafs that made contact with the CS, but the plants are not shriveled up like yours.
And Granny, those pics will be very useful to a lot of people. Thank you very much
Thanks again for your time and response

 

[BigIrishDoode]

~granny~ hey hon! thanks for stoppin by my journal, things are gonna be changing for sure, im saving up for a hps even if its just a 250watt for 75$ i feel the new strains will deserve it and for late flower im sure it will help them fatten up,i have had great luck with my cfl's and will continue to use them,but progress and all lol i too am a former drinker 10+ yrs since i quit i was a power drinker to boot i could really put em' away!!lol
~notadrinker~ are you starting with boiling hot distilled water? it jumpstarts the process as hot waters molecules are moving faster, with 3 9volts/ 27 volts it goes a bit slower than the laboratory grade power supply i have it can go up to 50 volts at 1-3 amps on full blast it will make 60ppm in 2 hours ,however its a 400 $ item not sure you wanna spend that kind of cash on cs making, with the 3 9 volts it can take 24 hours to reach the desired ppm,depending many variables like surface area of the silver your using,purity,temperature,battery strength, for example it will go really fast with a car battery theres 100s of amps pushing that 12 volts, i have never felt the need to go that extreme, i figure as long as i get what i need in a day or so im happy,
(side note) try spraying cs on your next burn or cut, it will heal faster and its a powerful anti bacterial, use as a mouthwash to fight off gingivitis and halitosis it works!! hope this helps!!!

 

[NotaDrinker]

Yeah, I have defiantly read about the health benefits
You got it I bet. I do not start with boiling water... I figured once the reaction began taking place, the hot water would be moot, and would only be hot for an hour or so to boot. So I indeed did start with room temp water both times.
I must have confused your words when I read 4 hours to make a batch using your batteries, cause now you say it can take up to 24 hours or so to reach that ppm.
That sounds better to me as I am on track with that time frame.
I am using .9999 (4 - 9's) silver wire exposed about 2 inches into the distilled water with a 25 volt power pack at 500mA, the last time was a 6 volt pack with 1000mA. I think I am on the right track, just the time taken confused me I guess. And I also am beginning the think that the amps is more important than the volts when it comes to speed of production, however I was under the impression that it was volts applied that was the determining factor when it came to particle size of our CS. The smaller the particle size, the better it is absorbed by the plant I thought.
Any info regarding that?
Thanks again for that response!
Between you and Granny's info and pics, this is defiantly the best place to get this info.
Thanks again you two, it helps more for many than you know...

 

[BigIrishDoode]

well on the issue of time i have made 60 ppm in 4 hours with 9 volts i was using 2 troy oz rectangles so 4 hours was average for me, but...,it varies, the boiling water makes a difference for sure, i have made it with both hot and cold distilled water it is defiantly faster using hot, in my experiences, the thing is with this there are many variables so exact times for a certain ppm levels to be reached i cannot guarantee , i have had it go to 150ppm in 45 min!!! i have no idea why or what made it happen that way, i think i will edit the original thread/post to state times are approximate and will vary, but i do know if you follow my design and method you will get cs eventually to the ppm you desire!! lol
it sound to me like your making cs successfully and will be having calculated results!
as far as the particle size goes, i use a ultrasonic cleaning device i will post some pics
in my tutorial thread, it uses high frequency sound waves to clean jewelry among many things it is used to break up clustered particles in suspension thus making ultra fine particle size and dispersion, also if my understanding using lower amperage and higher voltage causes the particles to be finer.
i have not yet used cs to create feminized seed,it is on my to-do list, and i will be reporting on the results i plan on trying different ppm levels
hope this helps man
thank you for your questions/thanks +reps for the inquires

 

[NotaDrinker]

Ahh, indeed it does.
Seems it is likely the amount of submerged silver plays a larger role in the time it takes to produce than I thought. 24 hours using a 25 volt .5 amp adapter and 20 ppm is what I get using the silver wire and about 500 ml of distilled water.
I just switched to a 10 volt 1 amp adapter to see if the ppm's rise quicker with the higher amps, but your understanding using lower amperage and higher voltage causing the particles to be finer is making me re-think that decision. Either way, this is a spur of the moment test run to test adapters and their time/ppm given my current environmental factors (eg. amount of silver submerged/temp of water/amount of water and output of adapters).
The next test I will boil the water and use the highest voltage/lowest amperage adapter I have (which is the one I started with this time at 25 volts and . 5 amps) and see how long it takes. It just seems that with the lower amperage adapters that I have tried so far, seem to hit a ceiling of 20 - 25 ppm (with this time and last time as examples). We will see if the 2 amp 10 volt adapter will bring the ppm above that ceiling by the end of the night (another 6 or so hours).
Your 9 v batteries are pushing about 600mA at 27 volts, which is inline with that 25 volt 500mA power pack I have, so I will have a good idea of how the hot water increased the production time. After that, I will need larger/more pieces of silver to test that "amount of submerged silver" notion.
That is 2 x 1 troy ounce rectangles you say? or 2 x 2 troy ounce rectangles? 1 troy ounce = about 31 grams? I never weighted my silver, but I am sure short of 2 ounces.... Thanks again for that.
Can't wait for your ppm comparison!
p.s. Was wondering what that ultrasonic cleaning device actually did. Thanks fot noting that!
And thanks again for all your responses. I think you answered everything I could ask

 

[Granny420]

IRISH
&
NotaDrinker

I'm SO GLAD you two got together!!!

What a wonderful place to gather!

I'm back in a minute with just pics of my current grow... since I can't do much with the CS until those lil balls grow a bit (next week I'm thinking)...

 

[Granny420]

Just gonna share a few pics of some of my current girls (that I could get to!). They are at 40 days in flower.

Let's start with my least favorite for growth/structure, Violator Kush - not at all as described. However, the flavor of this strain is wonderful and it packs one heck of a powerful high. I am breeding this strain, but I am also going to cross it with some short, big bud, powerful strains (Aurora Indica, Mataro Blue, and Papaya).
Here is a Violator Kush bud at Day 40 of flower...

And below is the entire plant - long stems with a lot of space between the buds...

And believe it or not - she did all that stretching while directly under one of my 1000w HPS lights. I didn't think she was ever gonna quit!!!

And then a Vanilla Kush Day 40 of Flower... you can see I've had to tie a couple branches cuz this one is all over the place...

And a Red Dragon cola, also Day 40 of flower...

Next, the Ladyburn 1974 Day 40 of flower... this one is zoomed across the room to get just the top of her to show how you see her snow from far away...

And then, the other Ladyburn 1974 (Day 40 Flower) from beside it, showing we are going to have some nice long colas when she fills in ... I marked this pic wrong on which plant it was, but figured it out after looking at it's area of the room! EEK!! I'm really looking forward to seeing what this one does in the end!!!

This last one is a strain that I am super lovin'!!! Of course, I love them ALL, but this one is a mass producer and has early saturation of trichs...
Here is the Mataro Blue plant at Day 40 of flower... look at those long dense colas developing...

And then lit up with a flash that shows her stuff a bit differently - marked this pic wrong too and then after looking closer figured out which plant it was - EEK GRANNY'S OLD!!!

And then the UPPER PORTION of one of the colas... I say a "portion" because these buds go deep into the plant, getting thicker all the way down... NICE RETURNS from this strain...

And last... how saturated this Mataro Blue is...

And that's it! I'm hoping to go catch up with OMM's journal - but it's been a week and I'm probably 20 pages behind!!! EEEK!!!!

 

[BigIrishDoode]

Just gonna share a few pics of some of my current girls (that I could get to!). They are at 40 days in flower.

Let's start with my least favorite for growth/structure, Violator Kush - not at all as described. However, the flavor of this strain is wonderful and it packs one heck of a powerful high. I am breeding this strain, but I am also going to cross it with some short, big bud, powerful strains (Aurora Indica, Mataro Blue, and Papaya).
Here is a Violator Kush bud at Day 40 of flower...

And below is the entire plant - long stems with a lot of space between the buds...

And believe it or not - she did all that stretching while directly under one of my 1000w HPS lights. I didn't think she was ever gonna quit!!!

Next is one of the Vanilla Kush plants from one view (Day 40 Flower)...

And then from another view you can see I've had to tie a couple branches cuz this one is all over the place...

And then the other Vanilla Kush (Day 40 Flower). It has a completely different structure with all it's colas being nicely uniform in shape...

And a Red Dragon cola, also Day 40 of flower...

Next, the Ladyburn 1974 will have her days for pictures to come... for now, this is zoomed across the room to get just the top of her...

This last one is a strain that I am super lovin'!!! Of course, I love them ALL, but this one is a mass producer and has early saturation of trichs...
Here is the Mataro Blue plant at Day 40 of flower... look at those long dense colas developing...

And then the UPPER PORTION of one of the colas... I say a "portion" because these buds go deep into the plant, getting thicker all the way down... NICE RETURNS from this strain...

And last... how saturated this Mataro Blue is...

And that's it! I'm hoping to go catch up with OMM's journal - but it's been a week and I'm probably 20 pages behind!!! EEEK!!!!

gotta quote so we can do a double take!! damn girl!! u got some nice buds!! hubba hubba!! i think a may need to change my shorts!!!lol!!!
well um yeah .......oh i remember now, i just threw up some pice of a freaky deaky hermy you may like just cuz,,,no cs needed!! lol i jilled the lil bugger but had to document the total crazy deeply hermed un-nature of this plant,,,,so glad im moving on to new genetics soon!!!
great pics/plants

 

[NotaDrinker]

Was going to edit my previous post, but all these posts in between, I though it may not be noticed.
Just had a change of mind and put back the 25volt .5 amp adapter in an attempt to keep the particle size small. I also made it so as much of the silver as possible is now submerged in the water.
Thanks again so much for all your input!
Granny, I have only grown myself once before (last summer), but I LST'd the hell out of my 6 plants and what a benefit. I think I will LST every plant I ever grow for the rest of my life. Just wanted to throw that in there.
Thanks again you two. I will stop interrupting your thread now ( I hope there is someone else out there that was looking for the answers to those questions I asked ) .

P.S. I would quote your pics again they are that nice, but once is probably enough for this page ... I would not want to be spamming now. lol

 

[Granny420]

Was going to edit my previous post, but all these posts in between, I though it may not be noticed.
Just had a change of mind and put back the 25volt .5 amp adapter in an attempt to keep the particle size small. I also made it so as much of the silver as possible is now submerged in the water.
Thanks again so much for all your input!
Granny, I have only grown myself once before (last summer), but I LST'd the hell out of my 6 plants and what a benefit. I think I will LST every plant I ever grow for the rest of my life. Just wanted to throw that in there.
Thanks again you two. I will stop interrupting your thread now ( I hope there is someone else out there that was looking for the answers to those questions I asked ) .

P.S. I would quote your pics again they are that nice, but once is probably enough for this page

... I would not want to be spamming now. lol

NotaDrinker

Honey - you and Irish do all the visiting you want!!! This is absolutely a learning journal and ALL comments/questions are and not considered spamming to me!!!

And ... for you nice comments. I love the results I get from LST. It seems to give me a numerous top colas that grow real nice for me. But I have seen a lot of different growers use a lot of different methods to get extremely fantastic results... so whatever gets the job done is FINE by me!!!

Always a pleasure to see you, honey - and please... please... please... feel free to visit all you want!!!

 

[NotaDrinker]

Actually Granny, I was hoping it might be ok for me to post a few pictures and ask what you think about the look of these tops at 18 or so days of CS. I think it is working and am getting more excited every time I look at them. I try not to open their box except for the morning spray and inspection, but tonight I took a few pics hoping to get your opinion(s).
I don't think you would mind, but I can't just go posting pics in your journal now, that would not be polite of me at all.
2 and a half hours later, and the ppm seems to have dropped from 20 to 18... Particles combining I can only assume? Anyways, test complete. Verdict, Imma get myself some 9 volt batteries and test again. Thanks again

 

[OG13]

Yeah, I saw all the chatter about volts and amps and particle size.....just because your power supply says 1 amp, it doesn't necessarily put that out unless the "circuit" will allow it to pass. I doubt the silver/water/silver circuit will pass that much current, otherwise the three 9 volt batteries would be dead in less than an hour. You need an ammeter in series w/ your circuit to see what actually flows. Probably area of electrodes and their proximity makes a difference to speed of production. Large surface area/close together will increase current flow (and production). Small electrodes just take longer, lower current just takes longer, don't know if higher voltage really changes particle size...... As long as you have a ppm meter to measure, it doesn't matter how long it takes or what setup you use. Use what you got, don't spend money on it.

Thanks Granny, Notadrinker (can I call you NOD), and BID. I'll be ready to start soon, got a special Pure Power Plant I want to lock down.....

 

[NotaDrinker]

NOD is fine m8, NAD just seems unnecessary... ,
The issue with particle size is that I read that the plant can adsorb the smaller particles easier, thus making the CS more effective. How big is too big I dunno, but with his ultrasonic cleaner, that issue is moot. For me, I think my plants are indeed taking to the CS I made. But when I get a buildup of coagulated silver in my production bottle, the ppm seems to hover or even drop as the particles stick together making larger particles, effectively halting production and even lowering the ppm's.
I have poured the whole lot through a paper coffee filter to remove all non colloidal particles and cleaned my production bottle and continued with the process. I will know shortly whether this is what I needed to do to get a higher ppm. I think I am on the right track.
And, I think you are right. Amount of surface area of silver in contact with water and the amount of current going through it are probably the major contributing factors on the time needed to make CS. Just worried that a 50 ppm of CS is going to be useless if the particles are too large to be absorbed by the plant effectively and was hoping to narrow down the factor that has the largest effect on that particle size.
Best Wishes m8 Hope

edit : just wanted to link this site. not for the CS generator, but for the info on CS within.
Welcome | Coyote Zenterprizes

He says, a few drops of %3 hydrogen peroxide will both clear up the color and reduce the particle size... Very interesting.

 

[OG13]

I think the particles "clump up" or precipitate due to electrostatic charge. I would guess we are making silver ions, not physically freeing particles from the silver. The ultrasonic won't break the particle size (especially with them in a jar in the machine), but will break up the clumps to the "as made size". It's all a guess till we see the results.