PP Bagseed Outdoor Grow Journal - 2018

Try to drill holes into the pot its like a air pruner for roots and makes them realy happy and it also prevents rootbound.Its also good at losing water so your plants cant drown/rootrot
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It was like under 2 inches of soil, all the small stones and small pieces of bark and branch, but i did search to find an answer but couldn't find it. Roger that, i wont do that again. However, it did seem to help the absorption.

I hope those bugs don't come back! I'm gonna keep them dry from now, just like how I left it to dry out the last 2 days. I believe they only need to be watered every 2 days or so.

But is it a sufficient amount of water when i do water them? Shouldn't I be giving them around 2 gallon each time I water if I let them dry out properly?

Thank you for all the advice Emilya, I really appreciate it and I'm going to be listening and taking your advice for actively now.

Is the run off water harmful for the other pots?

The pots were more than halfway dry, pot 1 and 2 were dry till the bottom and the others were like less than and inch wet. Is that not dry enough? Should I let it dry out more like plant 1 and 2.
 
I'm definitely gonna do this! Thank you for this!

The soil is not the best, it was very clayish but now it's a but better and only one pot is still too clayish. However, im going to be getting good promix soon and il get some perlite to add to this soil just in case.
 
Potplant said:
It was like under 2 inches of soil, all the small stones and small pieces of bark and branch, but i did search to find an answer but couldn't find it. Roger that, i wont do that again. However, it did seem to help the absorption

Just water slowly when you do water and let the absorption be what it is. Also, all you are doing is messing with the top surface, when the problem is actually down at the bottom where it is always wet.

I hope those bugs don't come back! I'm gonna keep them dry from now, just like how I left it to dry out the last 2 days. I believe they only need to be watered every 2 days or so.

This is not an accurate statement. At this present development of the roots the plants use up all of their water every 2 days or so. As the roots get stronger and more developed this will change, and in that hot sun the plants should be able to drain these small containers about every 12 hours. Each time you successfully let the soil dry out all the way to the bottom, the time between waterings will decrease as the roots spread out looking for that water. Also, each plant and each container at this point will be on its own independent schedule.

But is it a sufficient amount of water when i do water them? Shouldn't I be giving them around 2 gallon each time I water if I let them dry out properly

The sufficient amount of water to use is however much it takes to get to runoff. Your goal each time you water is to totally saturate the soil so that it can hold no more water and anything else added runs out of the bottom. Since the roots are also actively uptaking water at the very moment you water, the amount of water that this will take will increase steadily as the plants get stronger. It is imperative to allow the soil to be pulled dry by the plants every time... and then when you water, do it slowly so that you can get the soil to absorb as much water as possible, like a sponge, instead of dumping water on the plant rapidly and watching it run off without being absorbed.

Thank you for all the advice Emilya, I really appreciate it and I'm going to be listening and taking your advice for actively now.

I know you are trying.... but it is very hard to break out of the bad habit of trying to think for the plants and assuming that we know better than the plant when to water it or how much to give.

Is the run off water harmful for the other pots?

I am assuming that the runoff simply runs under the containers and doesnt overwhelm any drainage holes you may have in the bottom. While it is best not to inflict runoff onto any plant, I don't think it is going to cause a lot of harm to have them in this flow. Generally though, runoff contains all the sludge, carbon and salts that are washed out of the soil and it almost always is the wrong pH. It is generally advised not to add runoff back to a plant or to those around it.

The pots were more than halfway dry, pot 1 and 2 were dry till the bottom and the others were like less than and inch wet. Is that not dry enough? Should I let it dry out more like plant 1 and 2.

No, that is not dry enough. Let them all dry out like 1 and 2. Does it look like it is harming 1 and 2 to do this?? Every time you water early you are harming your plants and also allowing the bugs that may be growing in there to thrive. Get over the idea of watering each of the plants together each day... they must be on their own schedules from now on because you allowed them to get out of sync by allowing several of them to get sick.
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I do have good news for you. Once flowering starts and once you have gotten them to actually have a WET/DRY cycle every time while in veg, the rules will change. In flower you will like watering them more, because then it becomes a game to see how much water you can get them to take up and watering a couple of times a day will only help this to happen. You are not there yet. If you water like that now, you will surely kill them all.
 
If only I could thank you more than once for that post!!

Thank you!

OK so I'm just gonna go and check them tomorrow and then after days cv eck if they need water if not il leave it another day. I will now check each one individually.

OK so after I pour like less than a litre into the pots, like 400mls, I'm already seeing some water flow out. Is it by how much water comes out? The water comes out in under a minute for sure. Only the sick one the water takes much longer to come out.

I have been watering slowly using your method since the day I read up on it, only problem is I don't give it a dry cycle, I will now!

OK so if il move them as much as I can when I water them and will rinse away the runoff just in case.

Lol yeah I guess and I hope by flowering time I will be hard wired in letting them dry out!

OK so the run off, I am supposed to see it come out so soon, right? That means I got good drainage. The soil soaks it in instantly in the 5 pots, the run off is not pouring but it flows as i put in. You can see it soak and when i get to watering the centre and after the first round of watering the centre i can hear the soil drinking the water, that's what it sounds like.
 
Potplant said:
If only I could thank you more than once for that post!!

Thank you!

OK so I'm just gonna go and check them tomorrow and then after days cv eck if they need water if not il leave it another day. I will now check each one individually.

OK so after I pour like less than a litre into the pots, like 400mls, I'm already seeing some water flow out. Is it by how much water comes out? The water comes out in under a minute for sure. Only the sick one the water takes much longer to come out.

I have been watering slowly using your method since the day I read up on it, only problem is I don't give it a dry cycle, I will now!

OK so if il move them as much as I can when I water them and will rinse away the runoff just in case.

Lol yeah I guess and I hope by flowering time I will be hard wired in letting them dry out!

OK so the run off, I am supposed to see it come out so soon, right? That means I got good drainage. The soil soaks it in instantly in the 5 pots, the run off is not pouring but it flows as i put in. You can see it soak and when i get to watering the centre and after the first round of watering the centre i can hear the soil drinking the water, that's what it sounds like.
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don't pour like a litre in there... try putting 1 cup of water in each to start it soaking in. Walk away. Do something for 10 minutes. Come back and put another cup in. Walk away. Sing a song. Smoke a joint. Come back and try 2 cups. None of this should be running out. Keep watering slowly like this and see just how much water they can take. Spend an hour doing this or more... I have been known to spread this out over 2 hours or more.
 
Ok perfect, that's about how much I put but I do all 6 (now I'm not going to) all over the top, then I wat like a minute and do it again, then I do the outer just like that then the centre.

10 minutes, now I know. I wasn't even taking 10mins to do the lot! Clearly I'm drowning the roots!!

OK so let's say I pour over the top, lightly, one cup. How many cups should I put on the top before moving to the outside and the then how much on the outside before going to the centre?

If I do it like this and do it slowly and if i get run off like I used to then drainage is too kwik and is bad, isn't it? If I do it this method I should be seeing run off only when I'm almost done watering the centre?
 
yep, the runoff wont happen till right at the end. as soon as you have wetted down the entire top with the first couple of cups, then it is time to water from the edges
 
I think its important to note that i did not water the plants today!

Plant 1 was drinking the most, he's pot was much lighter than 5 and 6. 2,3 and 4 felt lighter too but not as much as 1.

I think if I tie them down they will grow better cos the new growth is coming out nicely with plant 1,any suggestions? I saw a few methods that I will be able to do, but should I wait and if so how long?
 
experiment all you want right now while they are in veg... that is what the first couple of grows is all about. My advice for you is to leave them alone for a couple of wet/dry cycles with anything stressful. Just keep spraying them every evening, not for moisture but for calmag... and continue to water as you are learning to do. I suspect that all but one of your plants is going to recover and produce well more than you were hoping for.
 
Ok cool, what il do is il just start bending them with my hand for now little bit each day until then. Any suggestions with regards to which method to use?
 
everyone has their pet names... i just call it the top each end when it looks like I can double the buds on that branch, method.
 
Ok so i decided to tie them down a bit today, I noticed just bending slowly and gently with my fingers made a difference. So this is what I did:

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Then I noticed that it was too high on one and 2 and it will be better to go lower, il go take close up pics later on.

So this is how they ended up, I just changed 1 and 2 but going lower and then supported the stem on each plant with a wire holding the stem back.

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Group pic:

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Then I noticed on plant one something that looked like white pistils and I didn't see it the day before yday. Then I started thinking, what if for some reason it's going into flower and I don't now?? How would I know cos they could go into flower with less than 12hours of darkness isn't it? Here's what I was talking about, I hope it's clear enough:

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Then I saw a bit of purple on the stem, that has been there for a while, not getting worse maybe it will get better. I'm sure it's a deficiency:

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And this is a new seedling taking shape nicely :)

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Ok you can't really see the white string looking thing behind that green flap that I could see, il be getting a magnifying glass soon so hopefully that will help. But how would I know if it's going into flower outdoors?
 
dont give up yet... i can't tell for sure
 
JimmyZee said:
It's still much too soon to tell... But at least they look a lot healthier:)
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Thanks man, yeah I thought as much, fingers crossed!

Yeah much healthier! I'm so excited. Went in now, at midnight, to check on them and to give them some of the foliar spray and my word! 1 and 2 has a canopy, I cannot believe it! No more Palm tree looking! Can't wait to top them again and this time I'm gonna ask first so I don't end up fimming like a real noob.
 
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