Pennywise Does SOG Pheno Hunts Fall 2018

Skybound said:
I think the practice of adding molasses is a preference. Doc Bud's brix kits doesn't use molasses at all, yet its success is totally reliant on soil microbes. I don't use his brix kit, but I admire his techniques and learn what I can from anywhere. I use molasses in my ACT, but in his kit, users mix up all the amendments, add a little water and the microbes in the Pro Mix chomp on soft rock phosphate for 30+ days before putting plants into. My take away is whether you need the microbes to work fast like in an ACT, or whether in a soil situation where the microbes are expected to grow their colony while eating rocks. IDK if adding molasses would burn the microbe out, or spoil their appetites, I like that it has so many elements in it, but it's definitely not needed.
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Doc's perspective is you want the microbes eating rocks and not sugars. :Namaste:
 
I’ve never heard of this!
Skybound said:
I think the practice of adding molasses is a preference. Doc Bud's brix kits doesn't use molasses at all, yet its success is totally reliant on soil microbes. I don't use his brix kit, but I admire his techniques and learn what I can from anywhere. I use molasses in my ACT, but in his kit, users mix up all the amendments, add a little water and the microbes in the Pro Mix chomp on soft rock phosphate for 30+ days before putting plants into. My take away is whether you need the microbes to work fast like in an ACT, or whether in a soil situation where the microbes are expected to grow their colony while eating rocks. IDK if adding molasses would burn the microbe out, or spoil their appetites, I like that it has so many elements in it, but it's definitely not needed.
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Sounds like in practice that soft rock phosphate could do the trick. But it also sounds like sugar does the trick too. According to research studies conducted, nitrogen fixation increased by 75% with bacteria present and an additional 18% when sugar was supplemented. Article Link: Interactions of bacteria, protozoa and plants leading to mineralization of soil nitrogen
Towards the midpoint of the abstract you can find this conclusion from the study. I cannot find any full text articles outside of my own database access for you to read, but if you have full text access to a research database I encourage you to search for answers and look through the researcher’s methods. I still luckily have access from my graduate school and if I find any full text studies I’ll reply with a link.
 
That little bit was a good read, but damn, $36 to read the whole paper? I'd love to look at the whole thing, I'm sure I could answer quite a few questions I have.
 
We like to think of our microbes as athletes. We provide them with good nutrition and they perform at an above average level. Lol. I feed my herd better than I feed myself! I’m the sugar eater of the house! :rofl:
There’s a lot to say for a balanced diet, wether you’re our size or microscopic I suppose. Lol
 
Mr. Krip said:
Doc's perspective is you want the microbes eating rocks and not sugars. :Namaste:
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Yeah after reading this from the Doc I lowered the molasses fed quite a bit and it seems to have help in flower production. I add a teaspoon at most now and even that just goes into the worm teas to help the microbes grow. I've also found feeding lab and some bokashi (well its stinky juice from my fermented compost bin but its pretty much the same thing) with it seems to pump up microbe action.
 
NoobyMacDooby said:
Yeah after reading this from the Doc I lowered the molasses fed quite a bit and it seems to have help in flower production. I add a teaspoon at most now and even that just goes into the worm teas to help the microbes grow. I've also found feeding lab and some bokashi (well its stinky juice from my fermented compost bin but its pretty much the same thing) with it seems to pump up microbe action.
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I do Bokashi composting, also, and use it on my fruits & veggies. I've been reluctant, so far, to add it to the kit soil simply because I'm concerned with throwing off the PH. That stuff is very acidic and needs to be diluted quite a bit. ;)
 
Speaking of molasses, The Rev's recipe is to use 1/2 to 3/4 tablespoon in tea no less than 10 days apart. It's not a lot really I think. Enough to feed the micro orgasms.;)
 
stoneotter said:
Speaking of molasses, The Rev's recipe is to use 1/2 to 3/4 tablespoon in tea no less than 10 days apart. It's not a lot really I think. Enough to feed the micro orgasms.;)
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Speaking of molasses I need to partially retract or walk back my statement about Doc's kit and molasses. After further inspection, I notice 2 of the 4 drenches have molasses listed in the contents. IDK how much he uses in each. FWIW, I've read elsewhere that when hydrolyzed fish is used, to also use molasses to help combat the stank.
 
stoneotter said:
Speaking of molasses, The Rev's recipe is to use 1/2 to 3/4 tablespoon in tea no less than 10 days apart. It's not a lot really I think. Enough to feed the micro orgasms.;)
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...I use a gloop per five gal. water pail when I brew a tea... ;):D...cheerz...:high-five:...h00k...:hookah:...
 
Pennywise said:
I'd want the micro herd munching on rock dust instead
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So you see it as a complete revolution. Rocks only. Is your school of thought one or the other but not both? As a rookie I would have thought both would be best. Rocks to feed the herd and molasses among other aact ingredients to feed the newest members of the herd until they get to the soil?
 
A small amount wouldn’t hurt, if the minerals are present for the bennies to break down the roots will feed the herd.
 
dr.h00k said:
...I use a gloop per five gal. water pail when I brew a tea... ;):D...cheerz...:high-five:...h00k...:hookah:...
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Is it your understanding that you're feeding the newest herd members with the molasses?
 
Pennywise said:
A small amount wouldn’t hurt, if the minerals are present for the bennies to break down the roots will feed the herd.
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Ok, he mentions to go light on it.
 
Looking from the outside in, I can only speculate but how I understand it is the microbes will favor the sweeter more energetic molasses and neglect chewing on the rocks to liberate the needed macros and secondaries, P, Ca, Mg. I just learned today that certain elements in the foliar spray triggers enzymes that chemically mobilizes carbos down into the roots to be exuded out of the roots to exchange whatever elements are being (requested?) for the exudates. It's a beneficiaries in common kind of arrangements. The microbes bust rocks all day to liberate soluble ions then they hang out near the roots waiting for a sweet treat from the roots when they exudate. Once again, just speculating, but it's my bet that molasses in some soils would be counter productive to the plan made when the soil composition was being mapped out and put together.
 
and is why I love hydro b/c I only need to think 1 week ahead and if I fuck up, I can remake it, lol.
 
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