Pennywise Does SOG Pheno Hunts Fall 2018

Skybound said:
IDK if everyone is choosing a side on this, but I'm still on the fence. I see valid reasons or arguments for both sides. When M is added, and the colony population explodes, all the extra M is consumed, and likely additional organic matter, but then the great famine takes hold, the microbes die off to a normal level which leaves you in the same boat you were at before adding the M, but is that to say that having the population explosion and subsequent famine did no good to the plant/garden? If the down side to the great famine is dead microbes which is plant food, is this more of a moral question than a practical one? What I mean is, is the down side of breeding billions of living creatures to eat M and die a moral concern only? Or is there another down side or problem associated with having a massively inflated microbe population for a time? That article did not cover this well.
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Good question. I've always hear slow and steady wins the race. I'm going to believe (guess) that the ups and downs of a heavy feeding of molasses and it's subsequent rise and fall of micro life wouldn't be an advantage over steady population added to now and then with teas to top them off. It's not a moral issue with me. Still not factual Sky but I don't fight success. I'll never win a nobel with my attitude but that's ok for me.
 
Skybound said:
I just want to better understand things.
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It's important to understand what we can. I find myself tapped out on the brain cells lots of times here though so I have to trust.
 
Disclaimer - Not an organic gardner and no real desire to be, but if I were...

I'd be trying to simulate the best possible conditions nature herself could provide. There is no rapid influx of sugar in nature. Molasses doesn't fall from the sky magically on week 3 of bloom (or whenever your preferred time to add it is). I'd just want a healthy colony with a stable population. That kind of goes with my bottled nutes feeding regime too. I prefer to feed lower doses and feed every watering, rather than doing higher doses and alternating with plain water every other time.
 
One thing I do know is the LOS i'm trying seems to have everything they want so far by the way they grow. I've grown in other super soils and the home made one rocks! See what I did there Rocks? food? Anyhow I'm really having a positive experience with it. Much better than the others from the store i'm almost sure.
 
I think I could run the tent with water only the whole grow and they would grow well. No teas.
So the teas add micro life to a positive degree and that s good. Different tea for different stages of growth. Veg., flower and finishing flower. All directed to a specific purpose and time in the plants life. Now I hear the Brix method uses foliage sprays to encourage the plant to send exudates to roots to feed the micro life and encourage their actions. I think I'd like to find where to learn about this. Do you, or anyone, have a good understanding of the makeup of the sprays and the timing? I'm guessing Docs got most of the secret still.
 
stoneotter said:
I think I could run the tent with water only the whole grow and they would grow well. No teas.
So the teas add micro life to a positive degree and that s good. Different tea for different stages of growth. Veg., flower and finishing flower. All directed to a specific purpose and time in the plants life. Now I hear the Brix method uses foliage sprays to encourage the plant to send exudates to roots to feed the micro life and encourage their actions. I think I'd like to find where to learn about this. Do you, or anyone, have a good understanding of the makeup of the sprays and the timing? I'm guessing Docs got most of the secret still.
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This is a very similar direction that I am heading. There are a few micros in the feed that trigger enzymes in the plant that in turn tells the plant to exudate. I am only freely finding bits of pieces of information to act upon, I am going to test 2 different foliar sprays at very light concentrations to observe what happens. I also found this can be a touchy subject depending who you ask as I was proverbially told to go sit at the kiddy table on another thread when I asked a very similar set of questions.

Because I use Hydro Buddy and mix my own nutes from salts, I am able to concoct blends of elements at very accurate measurements so when I plan to use 0.5 ppm of something, that's what it is. My first application is tomorrow and I'll leave the 2 recipes on my High Brix Hydroponix thread in the remote event I am at least mildly successful.
 
Skybound said:
This is a very similar direction that I am heading. There are a few micros in the feed that trigger enzymes in the plant that in turn tells the plant to exudate. I am only freely finding bits of pieces of information to act upon, I am going to test 2 different foliar sprays at very light concentrations to observe what happens. I also found this can be a touchy subject depending who you ask as I was proverbially told to go sit at the kiddy table on another thread when I asked a very similar set of questions.

Because I use Hydro Buddy and mix my own nutes from salts, I am able to concoct blends of elements at very accurate measurements so when I plan to use 0.5 ppm of something, that's what it is. My first application is tomorrow and I'll leave the 2 recipes on my High Brix Hydroponix thread in the remote event I am at least mildly successful.
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Good luck then. May the microbe gods smile upon you.
 
Skybound said:
This is a very similar direction that I am heading. There are a few micros in the feed that trigger enzymes in the plant that in turn tells the plant to exudate. I am only freely finding bits of pieces of information to act upon, I am going to test 2 different foliar sprays at very light concentrations to observe what happens. I also found this can be a touchy subject depending who you ask as I was proverbially told to go sit at the kiddy table on another thread when I asked a very similar set of questions.

Because I use Hydro Buddy and mix my own nutes from salts, I am able to concoct blends of elements at very accurate measurements so when I plan to use 0.5 ppm of something, that's what it is. My first application is tomorrow and I'll leave the 2 recipes on my High Brix Hydroponix thread in the remote event I am at least mildly successful.
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When you mix your own nutes, what do you use for micro nutrients?
 
Stltoed said:
When you mix your own nutes, what do you use for micro nutrients?
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I mix those too.
Fe_DTPA -2
Mn_EDTA - 1
B - 0.3
Zn_EDTA - 0.3
Cu_EDTA - 0.2
Mo - 0.05

That's my base and does not change through every stage veg through bloom. Targeting macros and secondaries is a lot easier done this way. I made a 1000 gallon solution into 1 gallon of concentrate so each gallon of reservoir requires 3.78ml to get the above targets.
 
Skybound said:
I mix those too.
Fe_DTPA -2
Mn_EDTA - 1
B - 0.3
Zn_EDTA - 0.3
Cu_EDTA - 0.2
Mo - 0.05

That's my base and does not change through every stage veg through bloom. Targeting macros and secondaries is a lot easier done this way. I made a 1000 gallon solution into 1 gallon of concentrate so each gallon of reservoir requires 3.78ml to get the above targets.
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Nice!
 
Stltoed said:
Nice!
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I think its cool that you do all this. Im sure youre a wealth of knowledge on bioavailability, and trouble shooting excesses and deficiencies. But, im super lazy and wouldnt/couldnt want to go to such lengths
 
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