Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

Yeah I am just kind of patiently waiting. I think that the EJ has stopped most of the yellowing, but I think there's some self-pruning still going on, so I've been trying to play catch up on defoliating. I'm still on the fence if I want to try to take clones off these and reveg them or whatever, or just move on to a new strain and buy a new pack from ACE. I don't think that I have any kind of unicorn-pheno to worry about needing to clone, so getting more of the seeds for later is probably good enough. Besides ACE deserves some support for making a nice strain, and I've got a whole plethora of other ones I need to try.

The Platinum Girl Scout Cookies x Cherry OG on the other hand... It is such a nice smelling phenotype, it's very much like the Platinum GSC mother, and I wonder if I should take a cut of it and clone it versus counting on getting a similar phenotype again from seed. I have quite a few of the regular cross seeds I made, so I would have to be careful and sex them and no idea how many females or what kind I'd get. The only reason I don't want to clone and run this particular cut is that it doesn't get very big or yield too much.

Anyway, here's some shots of the girls under the T5 tent at 7 weeks, and a little video of the tent with the CMH lighting just because I figured out how to upload video.

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Kahn Approves

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I like that last picture!
 
Van Stank said:
I like that last picture!
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Yeah I stumbled upon it when looking through my budshots folder. That was from my first harvest of Platinum GSC. Then I noticed Khan in the background, and it made me laugh 'cause it makes me think he's checking out the bud.
 
Well, 8 weeks for the girls under the T5 and 5 weeks and 3 days for the ones under the CMH. I've got to say I'm extremely impressed with what these girls are doing under a lowly little 200 watt fluorescent light. I feel like the fact that the harvests I've had under a more powerful light are not way better kind of points to me doing something wrong with those, or maybe just something really right with these. The only thing I can think that I'm doing differently is that I'm keeping these pots a lot wetter than I usually keep them through flower. I mean if I can get this little light to make buds that fat, there's gotta be some reason I'm not yielding high in the other tent, under stronger lighting.

The T5 girls at week 8

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The CMH girls at week 5.5

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Is there a temp difference between the to tents?
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I don't think so, but honestly i never got around to buying a hygrometer for the tent with the T5 in it so I'm not sure what the environmental differences may be.
 
Well today is week 6 since flip to 11/13 for the girls under the CMH, and week 9 for the ones under the T5, give or take a few days.

Girls under the CMH at week 6
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Some bud shots of the girls under the T5 at week 9

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The Platinum GSC x Cherry OG at 6 Weeks staring into senescence. This has always been about a 9-10 week strain so it's getting pretty close.

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I'm not really sure what to think about the difference between the plants' health under the T5 versus those under the CMH. I know that only 2 of the pots in the CMH tent have differing soil mixes, yet they all have significantly more chlorosis and necrosis going on than the T5 tent does.

I do not think that it makes sense for it to be an over-fertilization issue, because if so then the little Auto Jack Herer that I planted should be showing signs of toxicty, but meanwhile it is thriving--for now while it is a smaller plant.

I am wondering if the girls under the 5 gallon pots could just be root bound, because I did give them quite an extended vegetative period in the 5 gallon pots and when I put my moisture probe in them I feel significantly more resistance than in the 3 gallon pots.

Otherwise my theory is just that the CMH is driving so much more photosynthesis that it's just showing the deficiencies in the soil earlier than the girls under the T5 will, but that they will eventually show signs of trouble too. That's supported by the indications of calcium deficiency I started to see on them before I began supplementing with EarthJuice.

One thing that really tops the cake with the no sense making... If it is calcium deficit, that is strange, because according to my soil tests, calcium was the most abundant nutrient I had.

Calcium toxicity perhaps? *scratches head*

I don't know but there's not really too much more I can do for them except limp them through to harvest. The buds aren't looking bad, but really I think there could be a lot more for how many branches and budsites I had available. It's a little interesting though, the plants seem to have done their own sacrificing of lower flower sites in favor of developing the ones closer to the light, as I made a point not to thin out any flower sites this time around as I always feel I overdo it. The PGSC x Cherry OG looks like it has done this a little less, but on the other hand its structure is much more bushy, and it has littler popcorn nugs all over it.

I'm still wrestling with the idea of taking some clones off these. There are some branches with little enough buds that I feel I can re-vegetate, and it's still within the time window, at least for the Panama x Malawi cuts i have. I'm not as impressed with the Platinum GSC x Cherry OG cut, as it's just not producing very large plants. I have more seeds I can try for a better plant with. Meanwhile, ACE seems like it will keep the Panama x Malawi stocked long enough for me to buy more of those as well, so I'm not sure if I should really worry about taking clones. I have a lot of other genetics I need to try anyway. This Panama x Malawi #3 I have is just amazingly sticky and potent though, so I might end up taking some cuts off it, rooting them, then deciding if I want to keep them later.

Anyway things are going to start getting really hot in my apartment soon, and summer is always very uncomfortable. I'm not really sure I want to run anything indoors over the summer so part of the hesitance to take clones is I don't want to start them up and then feel like, "Oh well it would be such a waste to stop now," if I decide I want to shut down over the summer. Plus I can't necessarily move them outdoors, because they may not finish flowering at my latitude.

Could definitely use some shut-down time to clean and sterilize my tents anyway. *mulls it over more*
 
Buds are looking good Fert! Its really surprising to see how well they look under the T5
 
Van Stank said:
Buds are looking good Fert! Its really surprising to see how well they look under the T5
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Yeah it's a real head scratcher to me to be honest. Are we sure we haven't got this whole thing backward? More light is supposed to be better right??

I dunno but it's giving me smart ideas like taking cuts to flower under the T5 for the summer. Won't have much heat problems with that lol

I think the truth is these genetics are just amazingly robust and vigorous and I'd be having a lot less of a happy time with something a little less so. Just makes me think I should be taking clones all the more.
 
Well take a clone or two if its not too late. Remember that Blueberry of mine....took a cut about 25 days into flower. Took her forever to reveg but she managed. Even got almost 60 grams from her little ass.
 
Van Stank said:
Well take a clone or two if its not too late. Remember that Blueberry of mine....took a cut about 25 days into flower. Took her forever to reveg but she managed. Even got almost 60 grams from her little ass.
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Yeah I'm not sure if it's too late or not. The ones under the CMH don't really have any branches that look good for cloning, like everything down low is kind of dying off. Not sure if that's like, end-rot from calcium, or if the plants are just self-pruning...

Anyway, I'd have to take from the T5 plants and they're already 9 weeks out into flower, but the ones down low look pretty white-pistilled still so I have a feeling it might be possible. The only thing is, I don't have a place to put the cloner besides my bathroom and the only light in there is one of those little LED ceiling lights.

I'd say it's worth trying, except that the two methods I've used to clone aren't really totally available to me... I have a bubbler cloner ( my preferred method ) that needs an air-stone and pump, but that means I won't be able to brew ACT because I'd have to use my only pump and stone for the bubble cloner for the entire duration of the reveg.

The other method, rockwool and dome ( I friggin' hate rockwool ) might not work either, because I had planned to give that dome and a seedling tray to a buddy to help get him started since he likes to kill his seedlings haha

I hate cloning with rockwool anyway, I barely ever get success. So yeah, it would basically mean no more ACT for a while, and I wouldn't be able to bubble the pH on my EarthJuice nutrients up.

Grower dilemmas
 
Ok the Panama x Malawi is near 100% Sativa from Landrace stock. This means it needs far less nutrients than modern autos or polyhybrids. Pure Sativas have a tendency to cannabilise the fans pretty early. Your Panama x Malawi looks pretty normal for her age.
 
I wonder if that was why my ATF leaves were used up way faster than the other strains I grew
 
Pennywise said:
Ok the Panama x Malawi is near 100% Sativa from Landrace stock. This means it needs far less nutrients than modern autos or polyhybrids. Pure Sativas have a tendency to cannabilise the fans pretty early. Your Panama x Malawi looks pretty normal for her age.
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Very interesting, and I remember you saying that your Malawis were basically self-pruning. Still what's strange is that the Panama x Malawi under the T5 are dropping way less leaves, less yellow, and they're further out. Maybe it has something do with the lack of red spectrum under the T5?

Going to be real interesting to do a side-by-side smoke comparison. Honestly just going by resin-content, the ones under the T5 look more potent. However I have a feeling that there's more going on than meets the eye on the ones under the CMH. I barely touched the Panama x Malawi #3 that's under the CMH last night, and my fingertips were glued together like superglue.

Van Stank said:
I wonder if that was why my ATF leaves were used up way faster than the other strains I grew
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ATF is sativa dominant isn't it? It makes me wonder how they get it to finish up there in Alaska. How many weeks did yours take indoors?
 
The ATF was listed as a 70 day strain. I took it anywhere from 65 to 80 days. Not even really sure I could tell much of a difference between the harvest days.
 
The Matanuska Valley was worked by several growers over a number of years to finish faster, some claim it was crossed with ruderalis at some point and the fastest non autos we’re used for breeding.
 
Van Stank said:
The ATF was listed as a 70 day strain. I took it anywhere from 65 to 80 days. Not even really sure I could tell much of a difference between the harvest days.
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Sweet, couldn't remember. I was trying to fill out a spreadsheet with all the strains flower times and meant to ask you personally about that. Sounds about like what I found on Leafly. :thumb:

Pennywise said:
The Matanuska Valley was worked by several growers over a number of years to finish faster, some claim it was crossed with ruderalis at some point and the fastest non autos we’re used for breeding.
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Ah that's what I was thinking. Wish there were more fast-flowering sativas. Honestly this Panama x Malawi is not a very long-flowering strain, as far as sativas go. I pulled it at 10 weeks the last time, and while I think that probably was a little early, I was pretty happy with it. They list it as a 11-12 week flower time, and I've heard people say to add 2 weeks to a breeder's suggested flower time. It gives me thoughts of running it outdoor.
 
Look into the Durban Poison from Dutch Passion. Its a 55-65 day strain (legitimately.....culled mine at about 60 days and love it). I am grinding up a nugget as we speak!
 
Hey Fert.....try them DTF seeds. ATF x Durban Poison.....gotta be a good sativa man!
 
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