Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

Well I went with C and mixed it all up. I'm gonna give it a day or so to kind of stabilize then test the pH of it, see if I need to add more lime or not.

Well today is week 4 and 6 in the CMH and T5 tent, respectively. I'm really surprised with how fat these buds are under the T5.

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Week 4 under the CMH and these buds are looking nice and fat, especially considering the sickliness I had going on. I guess the EJ is doing its job. Meanwhile, seeing how these plants pefoorm sub-optimally, is really making me think I should clone them and continue with them for another cycle. I've just got so many different strains to try and starting from seed would be a lot more convenient, so I don't know.

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Meanwhile, the little Auto Jack Herer still hasn't started flowering yet, but it's growing nicely.

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Pennywise said:
Gonna be some nice chunky buds in the end!
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Yeah I think I just need to keep on it with these EJ & compost teas. EJ suggests to feed them ever 2-4 weeks, so that basically means 2 more feedings for the T5 girls, and 3 more for the ones under the CMH. I'm going to be adding in DTE amendments too like seabird guano, kelp, etc. I think it's probably a little too late to try to top dress anything, so I'm just going to focus on teas. EJ has some interesting recipes on its website.

My biggest concern is IPM, because I forgot to buy more neem oil this month. I do regularly soil drenches with neem oil, and the last one was on the 17th and was a pretty weak strength for the girls in the T5 tent. Given how lanky they are under that weak light, I don't thin they can afford to not have as much defenses as they can get. So I'm probably going to try to brew some neemcake tea for them, despite the high nitrogen content. I'm hoping most of it will gas off with the bubbling process and just leave me the 0-1-2 NPK and the azadiracthin in it. But honestly so far I've found neem oil to be a lot more effective as a systemtic drench. Last time I neglected to use it I got russets :eek:
 
TheFertilizer said:
Well I went with C and mixed it all up. I'm gonna give it a day or so to kind of stabilize then test the pH of it, see if I need to add more lime or not.
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But did you flush it to remove built up salts so you can start with clean soil? Or maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that some of this soil was used before.
 
Rider509 said:
But did you flush it to remove built up salts so you can start with clean soil? Or maybe I'm mistaken in thinking that some of this soil was used before.
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Nah it should be fine, I've only used EarthJuice on it. Flushing would probably kill off my microbes and compact the soil too much, so I'm just going to hazard it.
 
Well today is 7 weeks into flower for the girls under the T5 light, and I am really surprised at how they are doing so far. It's not going to be a good yield by any means, but I'm getting some big chunky colas up top. I'm not really sure when I'll harvest this stuff, because I could use the room in the other tent to take clones and sprout seeds for the next go round. I've decided I'm going to dedicate what I get from the girls under the T5 to make bubblehash with.

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In the mean time, the girls under the CMH have barely gone 3 days past week 4, and they're looking pretty nice as well. I think the EarthJuice has slowed/stopped some of the yellowing going on, at least I haven't noticed any new leaves yellowing out on the Panama x Malawi #5--which is the one I have been keeping a real close eye on. #2 is giving me the biggest colas so far, but that's not surprising given on how little its got going on down below. I've been keeping the pots pretty wet, so the leaves are a little bit curled, but I'm trying to give thep m more water this time around as opposed to less.

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I made up more ACT and EarthJuice. I made this batch with...

1/2 Cup EWC
1/2 Cup Kelp Meal
1/4 Cup Neem Cake
1/4 Cup Seabird Guano
1 TBsp Molasses
3 TBSp EarthJuice Bloom
1 TBSp EarthJuice Catalyst
2 TSP EarthJuice Microblast
1 TSP EarthJuice Meta-K
Into ~2 gallons, bubbled 48 hrs

To feed the plants, I poured 400 mL into a mason jar, then diluted with 400 mL filtered water, and fed each plant 800 mL. I had two jars of undiluted mix left, and gave two extra jar fulls to the #3 and #2 since they're struggling the most.

I think I'm also about done with these prototypes for my watering-system. I've got them running every Monday, Thursday, and Sunday. Mondays and Thursdays get a 2 minute run, which is equal to 800 mL per pot. Sunday gets a 1 minute run, at 400 mL per pot. The reservoirs have been holding water for about a week at a time, which, if you do the math, is kind of strange. So I think there may be some difference in flow between the pots. But overall they're working well, and I'm surprised with how much water the plants will take up. I've got the gas-port/recirculation/sampling lines stuck into mason jars just so I can check how much flow they're getting each run.

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In the future, I want to get some flood trays, and some Blumat sensors, as well as a direct line to my tap water line and a float-switch. That way I can give the plants water-on-demand. There are some Blumat water-spikes that will feed out of a small reservoir via siphoning that I may use to completely forego the need of the pump, but instead have one large 18 gallon reservoir with the drip-spikes sucking from, and that connected to the tap water line. Lots of ways to skin that cat.

In the meantime, the little Auto Jack Herer is finally showing some pistils, small though they may be.

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Pennywise said:
They still have some swelling to do so you may have a better harvest than you think.
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Yeah, the last cycle I ran with this Panama x Malawi, I cut a little short because I had a problem with mites near the end. It's supposed to be an 11-12 week strain according to ACE, but I"m running it 11/13 so maybe it will finish a little faster. I know that at 10 weeks I was pretty pleased with the results, but I did want to try to wait some extra time for that "swell" that i always hear about. I'm always so low on meds usually that I can never wait for that to happen, so I always harvest when the trichomes are mostly cloudy and a little clear. Thinking about letting these ones under the T5 go for a while at least.
 
Rider509 said:
From what I see you have several weeks to go before you even think about harvesting!
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Oh yeah for sure. What the problem is, I just need to get a rough idea of when they will be harvested because there's so many damn logistics I'm having to juggle around between when I can start clones and seeds, and then also getting soil mixed up and ready in time for the next run.

Great transition into my current thoughts on organic growing...

So far I really haven't been getting the same, "Oh yeah, organic and soil growing is just so much easier," type of experience that people always seem to sell it with. It really just trades your daily maintenance items with high-labor 1-time jobs, but ones that require a significant amount of logistics and planning, and then if things don't go according to those plans or logistics then you end up with crap like I'm seeing this cycle because I didn't plan out my soil needs well enough. Now I'm stuck brewing up poop juice, which while not as annoying as the Goldilocks "too high, too low" irritation of pH adjusting, it's fucking disgusting and maybe not the best thing for a guy with puking problems to be around *gag*

I don't really know what I'm going to try next or if I'm just going to stick with soil and try to make it work for me. R/DWC isn't an option (for now) because of all the extra equipment. I mean not only am I not really wanting/able to invest that much more money on more equipment, I don't think my wiring really needs any more continuous loads--especially when we start talking chillers, which I'd probably end up needing because of my heat issues. Some kind of ebb & flow table setup might be more equitable, but still more equipment, and tray tables aren't really cheap either. Plus any time someone recommends me a "cheap" setup I find that "cheap" is pretty relative.

I am setup pretty well for coco. Got a drip-system, got some bottled nutrients left, and I've heard you can still amend coco, so really all I need to try it is the coco. I think the only thing really stopping me is that for one coco isn't really cheap, but plus I think I need to stop trying new things every cycle and just stick with something.

I think one thing I need to think about doing is to stop pussy-footing around with these little bits of soil, and make myself a very large batch, so that I'm not having to do so much planning and logistics run-around trying to get soil ready for the next round, etc. If I made 8 cubic feet of soil, then that would allow me to have 4 cubic feet running in pots for one cycle, while the other 4 cubic feet sat waiting for the next run. Then I could just recycle/reamnd the previous 4, and keep that going. So really my problem might be that I just never made myself enough soil.
 
Rider509 said:
Or dump the soil in the garden where it belongs and go hydro? LMAO!
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Too much extra equipment. I might be able to do a ebb and flow tray, but I don't know I would keep the water in a R/DWC setup chilled without a chiller.. And I definitely can't run a chiller with my crappy wiring. Not even sure I could even run the air and sub-pumps for the RDWC continuously unless they only need 1 amp or less. I have to run my whole house on 30 amps :(

But that's just the electrical side of it... I also have no idea how much it would cost to buy all the equipment I'd need, and I have a feeling it would be like $100-$200 of stuff?

SO yeah if I do hydro any time soon it will be ebb & flow or just passive drain-to-waste in perlite. But if I go drain-to-waste I might as well just do coco. I think ebb & flow would really be the only thing that would bump my yields up like R/DWC would because it's the only other style of hydro that will give it that huge rootspace available.

But yeah I've thought about it a little haha
 
Pennywise said:
You could get the same yields using coco drain to waste.
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Yeah I've been seeing very promising things with coco, and I am pretty much setup for it already, so that's where my mind has been venturing if I'm going to give another method a shot.

Might be kind of interesting to do a coco grow while I'm mixing up a batch of soil, then do a side-by-side with some clones. If coco turns out more preferable, then I can just throw the soil in the garden like Rider suggested haha
 
Rider509 said:
Or dump the soil in the garden where it belongs and go hydro? LMAO!
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LOL....don't listen to that guy Fert! Someone put some duct tape around Riders fingers so he can't type anymore!
 
Van Stank said:
LOL....don't listen to that guy Fert! Someone put some duct tape around Riders fingers so he can't type anymore!
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But I must preach the Gospel of the Deep Water to the dirty heathens and bring them into the light! LOL.
:Namaste:
 
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