Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

Pennywise said:
Thanks for the photos, mine looked more like your pheno #1. That would be the Malawi structure.
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Oh sad, that's the one that got the axe too, though at least it's very similar to #5. I'm guessing #2 and #3 are more panama oriented or closer to 50/50 hybrids then.
 
Pennywise said:
But it’s really interesting that #3 is the more potent, might be worth taking a couple of cuttings from it.
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Yeah the only problem with it is last time it ended up getting some seeds somehow. I really don't know how because I couldn't find any on any of the other plants, nor any nanners. The seeds never did develop much though.

Here's budshots of all of them in this post here...

Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

#1 and #2 made some of the nicest looking buds. #5 looked ratty, but I think that's 'cause I pulled them off a big cola, it had some of the biggest colas of all of them. Sadly #1 runted out, and I never took clones off #4, so I'm left with #2, #3 and #5 which is ironic because...

#2 Tastes best
#3 Is most potent
#5 Grows best

So it's a real hard choice. I basically just want to keep all of them lol
 
Pennywise said:
Lol I know the feeling!
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I just remembered I did like a mini write-up on each one in this post.

Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

#3 was my favorite consistently, but I think I didn't give #5 enough credit on the potency. Meanwhile, I barely got over a half ounce off #2 last time whereas the other two I got nearly a full ounce, and it's looking small this time as well.

Maybe I'll just keep some cuts of #3 and #5 going and choose after that. Just a matter of how to keep them alive for the summer without them blowing out of my tent, they get lanky even under a T5. I suppose just take clones, grow them until they're too big, then take clones off those ones? Seems wasteful of plants, plus I'm gonna need to have soil ready for sure if I decide to do that.

Choices, plans, ugh. Honestly though it would probably be best for me to try to shut down over the summer and find a new apartment. This place is just kind of crummy, especially in the summer. Stays like 85 F in my living spaces constantly. Plants would probably dig it though haha
 
Pennywise said:
They should ok at 85 degrees, I try to stay under 80 degrees.
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Yeah it's just me who suffers at 85 lol I'm like a polar bear. But no seriously, with this vomiting condition I have, the harder it is to stay hydrated, the worse. Had to go to the ER for IV fluids a couple of time last summer :/
 
I'm in a bit of dilemma guys. I need to start thinking about soil for my summer harvest. Right now I have...

A couple gallons of my original super-rich soil mix that needs to be cut with EWC and perlite 4x... Might not be enough to go around.

About 10-12 gallons of "Amazon Bloom" that I stuck out over winter because I felt like it might have had russet mites in it. The clones I planted into it got infested while my other plants didn't.

18 gallons of Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog that was used from a previous cycle. It's been sitting out in the cold all winter as well, but I've amended it with some curds from LABs making and also sprayed it with LABs. I'm not sure how much nutrition is left in it, so would have no idea how to amend it.

I have about $40 to last me for all of life's necessities for the whole month of April, and to go buy EWC and peatmoss for a brand new batch of soil would probably use up all of that, and I'd still need to buy pumice or perlite for aeration down the road. But if I bought it and mixed it all now, it would be nice and cooked by the time I needed to plant in it.

So, really unsure of what to do. I have an urge to take all the soil material I have, mix it up into a big batch, and put a bunch of lime in it for pH buffering and then just see what that does. I wouldn't have to spend a dime, but I would have literally no idea how fertile the soil was and it might end up too rich again. The Amazon Bloom is pretty rich stuff, and along with the few gallons of my original mixed up recipe it would probably be way too hot all on its own, so I'd be counting on the left-over Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog to dilute it out--problem is that soil might be a little rich still too.

I suppose I could just buy a fresh bag or two of Happy Frog too since I'm really so used to it, and just amend the Happy Frog. Problem is that two bags of it would still take up my all my money for the month of April.

So tl;dr...

A. Spend everything I have to make a brand new soil batch.
B. Spend almost everything I have to amend two new bags of Happy Frog
C. Spend nothing, mix everything I have into a big soil cocktail, and just amend with lime to pH, hoping the nutrients in all of it now are enough/not-too-much
 
I'm in a bit of dilemma guys. I need to start thinking about soil for my summer harvest. Right now I have...

A couple gallons of my original super-rich soil mix that needs to be cut with EWC and perlite 4x... Might not be enough to go around.

About 10-12 gallons of "Amazon Bloom" that I stuck out over winter because I felt like it might have had russet mites in it. The clones I planted into it got infested while my other plants didn't.

18 gallons of Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog that was used from a previous cycle. It's been sitting out in the cold all winter as well, but I've amended it with some curds from LABs making and also sprayed it with LABs. I'm not sure how much nutrition is left in it, so would have no idea how to amend it.

I have about $40 to last me for all of life's necessities for the whole month of April, and to go buy EWC and peatmoss for a brand new batch of soil would probably use up all of that, and I'd still need to buy pumice or perlite for aeration down the road. But if I bought it and mixed it all now, it would be nice and cooked by the time I needed to plant in it.

So, really unsure of what to do. I have an urge to take all the soil material I have, mix it up into a big batch, and put a bunch of lime in it for pH buffering and then just see what that does. I wouldn't have to spend a dime, but I would have literally no idea how fertile the soil was and it might end up too rich again. The Amazon Bloom is pretty rich stuff, and along with the few gallons of my original mixed up recipe it would probably be way too hot all on its own, so I'd be counting on the left-over Ocean Forrest/Happy Frog to dilute it out--problem is that soil might be a little rich still too.

I suppose I could just buy a fresh bag or two of Happy Frog too since I'm really so used to it, and just amend the Happy Frog. Problem is that two bags of it would still take up my all my money for the month of April.

So tl;dr...

A. Spend everything I have to make a brand new soil batch.
B. Spend almost everything I have to amend two new bags of Happy Frog
C. Spend nothing, mix everything I have into a big soil cocktail, and just amend with lime to pH, hoping the nutrients in all of it now are enough/not-too-much
 
I can tell you what I would do....I would seriously consider starting vermi composting. Cheap....just need a big container if you do it indoors or the space if you do it outdoors. Will give you a great base starting soil.

I know that doesn't fix your current issue, but it will set you up for better runs in the future.
 
Van Stank said:
I can tell you what I would do....I would seriously consider starting vermi composting. Cheap....just need a big container if you do it indoors or the space if you do it outdoors. Will give you a great base starting soil.

I know that doesn't fix your current issue, but it will set you up for better runs in the future.
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I've thought about that but I would have to keep it in a buddy's backyard and I'm not really sure how much maintenance they need, or how likely it is it wouldn't get messed with by his dog or his room-mate. He uses the backyard as a trashcan; and not the good kind of waste, I mean I don't think Jack Daniels bottles and Marlboro boxes compost haha

Plus not something I can do right now at all given my budget restraints. I was kind of thinking about using the left over Happy Frog stuff I had to start one, but now it's looking like I need to re amend that to actually grow in.

So let's say I went with option C, and next month I could buy ingredients for a new batch of soil, should I use the time to vermicompost it, and then take from the vermicompost pile soil to amend and cook? I don't really know how it works, I was just going to use it to "recycle" soil and not waste anything, but it looks like I need to reuse more than I need to recycle.
 
Well if you get into Vermi composting, its really easy. Throw your leaves from defoliation, coffee grounds, food scraps (minus dairy and meats), into a bin with a couple inches of recycled soil. Throw some compost in there as well. From all accounts it takes a month or two to get your worm count up high enough to break it all down. Throw in egg shells, some minerals (rock dust), dried leaves, lint, newspaper, saw dust, and let the worms do their thing for a month or two once they get their count up. From there its basically soil that just needs a few amendments added to it with some aeration. Keep adding new food scraps and vegetation in there. We are thinking about stopping at a Dunkin Donuts store near the house and asking them to start saving the coffee grounds for us (I don't drink coffee).

Now I say all this having not done it yet. But I am in the process of starting mine up and will do it much the way Bobrown does it.
 
Van Stank said:
Well if you get into Vermi composting, its really easy. Throw your leaves from defoliation, coffee grounds, food scraps (minus dairy and meats), into a bin with a couple inches of recycled soil. Throw some compost in there as well. From all accounts it takes a month or two to get your worm count up high enough to break it all down. Throw in egg shells, some minerals (rock dust), dried leaves, lint, newspaper, saw dust, and let the worms do their thing for a month or two once they get their count up. From there its basically soil that just needs a few amendments added to it with some aeration. Keep adding new food scraps and vegetation in there. We are thinking about stopping at a Dunkin Donuts store near the house and asking them to start saving the coffee grounds for us (I don't drink coffee).

Now I say all this having not done it yet. But I am in the process of starting mine up and will do it much the way Bobrown does it.
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Yeah I know it sounds unhealthy, but the only vegetable matter I'd have to compost is from my plants. I don't really eat veggies at all, and the little fruit I eat goes into smoothies. Besides produce is kind of spendy so I'd probably never really make enough things like apple cores or banana peels to be meaningful. That's why I was hoping to use the spent Happy Frog stuff as a worm bin, but looks like I need it for actual soil.
 
Any chance there are any local restaurants you could ask to save that sort of stuff for you to compost? Hell there has to be something...maybe ask neighbors to save certain things. Just trying to brain storm ideas with funding being the limiting issues. I gotta think there would be a lot of people out there that might be willing to save some composting stuff for you.
 
Van Stank said:
Any chance there are any local restaurants you could ask to save that sort of stuff for you to compost? Hell there has to be something...maybe ask neighbors to save certain things. Just trying to brain storm ideas with funding being the limiting issues. I gotta think there would be a lot of people out there that might be willing to save some composting stuff for you.
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Maybe, maybe not. It's not a very large city that I live in (so not a ton of restaurants), but a pretty agriculturally based community. That's kind of a double-edged sword, because while there's probably a lot of people around with great compost, there's probably a lot of farmers around that have already scouted out the restaurants and stuff. At least I would bet; there's a lot of poor farmers around here trying to make a living farming hay. I'd basically need to "social network" among the farmers, maybe down at the farmers markets, but that's not really my crowd. I've asked a bunch of people I know who like to garden, and they just tend to tell me they get the stuff at the store, or they just use their horse manure (sun-dried). It doesn't help I'm kind of a hermit and keep to myself.
 
I totally get the hermit thing brother. I tend to only interact with people on this site. I rarely venture into public because most people tend to piss me off to no end with their stupidity. Ms Stank and I joke a lot about who hates people more....her or me. She would probably win LOL.

I am just trying to brainstorm some ideas for you in your unique situation. Lack of funds drive creative thinking and I think thats where you need to focus.....outside the box thinking.
 
Van Stank said:
I totally get the hermit thing brother. I tend to only interact with people on this site. I rarely venture into public because most people tend to piss me off to no end with their stupidity. Ms Stank and I joke a lot about who hates people more....her or me. She would probably win LOL.

I am just trying to brainstorm some ideas for you in your unique situation. Lack of funds drive creative thinking and I think thats where you need to focus.....outside the box thinking.
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Yeah. So far it seems vermicomposting might be a viable option. I'm just a little unclear though about how it works and how it would fit into my timeframe. @Blew Hiller was saying 50 days should be enough time, but wouldn't I need to add amendments to it and have time for them to cook too?

About to go mix all my leftovers together. I'm not going to add anything for now, just mix them up. Was going to add lime, but figure I'll wait to get more of an idea of how the vermicomposting thing works before I do that. I don't know if I'm supposed to be able to use all this in a vermicompost pile that I can then just take from as ready-to-use soil, or if I'd need to use that in another mix of soil?
 
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