Panama x Malawi - Probiotic & Organic Indoor Soil Grow

Looking good Fert, wow I’ve never had an issue with Ace Seeds going hermie. I’ll have to watch them closer.

I think @kelticBlue had some go hermie, I think it was Kali China that did it for him?

But yeah this is twice in a row so far so perhaps it's best I didn't make seeds of these ones. The Panama x Malawi is one of their limited edition crosses, so perhaps they didn't really stabilize it out that much.
 
Disclaimer. My environmentals are unstable. So any herm could be my fault.

But my PCK x KC Threw some early nannies. Just A couple. But Also limited edition seeds.


I believe the COB Lights were a bit brighter than needed when I flipped. But. Could be any number of environmental problems on my end too.


It was a Fem. seed. I had a picture of it after harvest. Nanners near the stem of a bud at the base of the bud. But that was it for the rest of flowering time. Just those few.


My own cross breeding of ace and cannabiogen throws nanners but I have worked with it for a couple of generations and It has gotten better with just some late flower time to harvest nanners.
 
That’s possible, I think Bubba hash will be a project soon.

I haven't really heard much about that one, but I have a feeling it will be more stable with the Bubba hash in it.

Disclaimer. My environmentals are unstable. So any herm could be my fault.

But my PCK x KC Threw some early nannies. Just A couple. But Also limited edition seeds.


I believe the COB Lights were a bit brighter than needed when I flipped. But. Could be any number of environmental problems on my end too.


It was a Fem. seed. I had a picture of it after harvest. Nanners near the stem of a bud at the base of the bud. But that was it for the rest of flowering time. Just those few.


My own cross breeding of ace and cannabiogen throws nanners but I have worked with it for a couple of generations and It has gotten better with just some late flower time to harvest nanners.

Ah okay couldn't remember if it was straight Kali China or one of their crosses.

Yeah I'm thinking the same about my environment when growing this strain. I've had pretty unchecked problems both grows I've ran it. But the other thing is landrace varieties are more sensitive to that, so that would make sense where if we're bringing in these plants use to one environment outdoor, then trying to grow them indoor in a totally new environment, than it might lead to some stress-hermies.
 
For fun I looked up the after harvest picture. I was fooling with camera settings so it isn't the best but you can see them. Did not make many seeds. I have them packed away in the fridge.
A little bunch of BNanners hidden under the bud. This is looking up the stem or side branch I cannot remember which.

The Pakistan Chitral Kush x Kali China Yunnan
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That is where they were hidden.
Good luck. :goodluck:
 
Fert looking good there buddy... I didn't think you could grow flowers under a T5... that's old before old school there.

For fungus gnats - just get a fan. Blows em away. They are pests that don't eat plants so nothing more than an irritation. They are not strong fliers so a fan moves them on their way and they cant get back to the soil to lay eggs or eat so its; DIE FVCKERS DIE. Problem solved.

No need to use anything to get rid of em..

Be REAL careful top dressing or watering in Oyster shell flour during a grow in containers. 1st thing its more of a long term Ca release so by the time its working it may be working too much. If you wanna do a Ca amendment during the grow, try some Gypsum. It won't change the PH ... I know you tested the PH but not sure it's even a thing to worry about in soil. I lost my PH pen a few years ago.

In soil your PH is going to swing up and down all the time. You test it today and 5 hrs later test it again. It's going to be different. Could even be wildly different. The roots excrete root exudate to signal the micro-herd what nutrients the plant needs. The micro-herd react to the root exudate and then they change the soil PH that works with the soil to give the plant nutrients and minerals it wants and the micro-herd get to eat the root exudate in exchange. So PH is not really a thing in soil. Don't stress over it. Have faith, the plants and micro-herd are in control.
 
Fert looking good there buddy... I didn't think you could grow flowers under a T5... that's old before old school there.

For fungus gnats - just get a fan. Blows em away. They are pests that don't eat plants so nothing more than an irritation. They are not strong fliers so a fan moves them on their way and they cant get back to the soil to lay eggs or eat so its; DIE FVCKERS DIE. Problem solved.

No need to use anything to get rid of em..

Be REAL careful top dressing or watering in Oyster shell flour during a grow in containers. 1st thing its more of a long term Ca release so by the time its working it may be working too much. If you wanna do a Ca amendment during the grow, try some Gypsum. It won't change the PH ... I know you tested the PH but not sure it's even a thing to worry about in soil. I lost my PH pen a few years ago.

In soil your PH is going to swing up and down all the time. You test it today and 5 hrs later test it again. It's going to be different. Could even be wildly different. The roots excrete root exudate to signal the micro-herd what nutrients the plant needs. The micro-herd react to the root exudate and then they change the soil PH that works with the soil to give the plant nutrients and minerals it wants and the micro-herd get to eat the root exudate in exchange. So PH is not really a thing in soil. Don't stress over it. Have faith, the plants and micro-herd are in control.

Thanks man. Yeah it's wild how fat they're getting under that little bit of light. I've always heard that the fluorescent make stickier and more resinous weed from people who use to grow with exclusively blue spectrum fluorescent lighting. Kind of excited to see if it smokes as good as it looks. Supposedly, the CMH with the better PAR is supposed to give better terpene development and resin production, so maybe they'll catch up. But so far I gotta say I think the T5 buds look prettier!

Oh no these are definitely flies, and they're in my bins outside. I mixed 3 different soils ( used Happy Frog, fresh "Amazon Bloom" and the original super-rich mixture I made ) into two 18 gallon bins. I used one of the bins to star a vermicompost bin, and then the other I amended with 1 cup of neem cake and 2 cups of oyster shell flour. I think that might have been a bit much, but I figured I would probably be mixing the VC stuff and the soil stuff up 50/50 before planting in it, so the concentration would be halved in the end.

I'm not sure what's up with the flies though. I put some fruit into the vermicompost bin, but I had it buried under dirt, and it seems like flies showed up in the soil bin before they showed up in the vermicompost bin. I'm worried it's something in the soil itself they like.

Anyway not really sure what to do, I've got some time to deal with them before I plant in the stuff, but I don't really want the flies to introduce any pathogens, and certainly don't want maggots introducing flies to my indoor grow room later on so I gotta figure out what to do about it.

So with the microherd and the pH... Is it that they adjust it to the optimal range of 6.5-7, or is it that they just change what is "optimal"... Meaning, maybe the pH is at anywhere from 6-9, but they take it out of the soil at whatever range, and then give it to the plant at the optimal 6.5-7 range?
 
Well I harvested last night. It was perfect time for the girls under the T5, but the ones under the CMH were just in such poor health I didn't really want to try to stretch them out for another 2-3 weeks. The buds themselves had begun to yellow and dry up, so I figured a bird in hand is better than two in the bush. I think I"m gonna focus on fast-finishing strains, since being able to run past 8 weeks of flower seems pretty seldom done in my tents.


Here is one Panama x Malawi #3 plant (on the left of the big stem ) next to a mix of all the Panama x Malawi from the T5 tent.


This is Panama x Malawi #2 and #5 from the CMH tent all mixed up. It will be easy to tell them apart because #2 has made big dense nugs, while #5 is pretty larfy. But I don't know that I"m gonna bother jarring them separately.


This is the Platinum GIrl Scout Cookies x Cherry OG. There's one pile in the back ( separatied by a stem again ) that's from the T5 tent, and then the rest is from the CMH tent. The one from the CMH tent started purpling up on me a little bit.


This is just popcorn and scrappy stuff from all the T5/CMH plants mixed together. Probably going to make hash with this along with the trim. I'll just break it all up together and that way I won't have to actually trim the scrappy stuff as much as just break it up and put it in the same mix with the trim I get off the nicer buds.


Then up here is the PxM #3 next to the PxM mixes from the T5 tent. I pretty much ran out of room on the bottom, but it's a nice way to compare how much more trichomes the ones under the T5 tent got. I don't think it was really the amount of light or difference in spectrum that did it, so much as the CMH plants just never were too healthy. I'm not sure though because I've always heard blue light grows stickier buds, and the ones from the T5 plant are like handling glue.




Anyway, I'll check back when I get it all weighed and stuff. I took out a few tester buds to try while it dries, but I'm pretty sure I already know what they'll smoke like. The 7 1/2 week harvest on the PxM is real early so I don't expect that stuff to be as potent as my last batch, so I'm going to try to jar all the stuff that went to 10 1/2 weeks under the T5 in a different set of jars.

Oh, I did end up getting a lot more nanners on these PxM under the T5 tent, and I think they were just stressing because of the low light situation rather than the CS actually working. Unfortunately they didn't seem to shed any pollen in time to develop seeds, and I didn't take clones, so this is the end of the road for the Panama x Malawi until I buy more seeds of it from ACE.
 
Oh no these are definitely flies, and they're in my bins outside.

I'm not sure what's up with the flies though.

So with the microherd and the pH... Is it that they adjust it to the optimal range of 6.5-7, or is it that they just change what is "optimal"... Meaning, maybe the pH is at anywhere from 6-9, but they take it out of the soil at whatever range, and then give it to the plant at the optimal 6.5-7 range?

Sounds like you're in soil without added bottled nutrients. Don't worry about PH of soil, worry about the water PH that you are using. I use RO filter so the water is ALWAYS 6.5 so take that possible issue out of the equation. Can get RO Buddie filter on A-zon for $50... cheap insurance.

How the PH happens naturally is how the microherd tell the plant what they want and the root exudate from the plant tells the microherd what the plant wants.. they do a hand shake and trade minerals for root exudate... its very dynamic and the PH will change all the time ... thats the short answer of course there's a lot of science around this process but it works. The longer I use my soil the better my plants grow which is amazing in itself.

Can top dress neem and kelp meal - 1 tbs each 1x a week per plant and water in. Stop after 3 weeks in flower.

For flies - put a fan at the soil line... they hatch, then the wind blows them away... gone and problem solved. They cant fly back to the soil to lay eggs due to the wind problem. Pooof - flies b-gone.

Yeah in your compost shit we get so many of em I gotta brush off before coming back in the house. Think frass... Birds hang around my bins and eat those flies up every day. Hang a bird feeder back where your compost piles are. They eat worms but they also will poop a lot of poop which is fertilizer.
win win... birds clean up the insects and leave a present behind... hahahaha see what I did there!!?
 
Congrats on your harvest... :passitleft:

Dry up flowers - water more .. .a lot more! You'd be surprised how much water they need during flower.

I run a automated watering system and monitor the water use.. after 3-4 weeks in flower they drink each plant about a gallon of water everyday average. Thats WAY more water than most people even realize.

I really think that most any issues in flower for indoor growers are either not enough water and/or pests. These issues are very easily tco'd.
 
Been a busy couple of weeks. Finally got done with the harvest. There wasn't really a ton, but I got about as much as I normaly would. I got 120 grams out of the CMH tent, 40 out of the T5 tent, and 70 grams of trim. I got about 6.5 grams of bubblehash out of the trim.

























 
Looks good, and can't complain too much about that....
 
How is the high on the hash?

It's a lot more stoney than I was expecting given all they say about Sativas being more energetic and uplifting and such. I suppose there was a little bit of indica influence with the PGSC x Cherry OG stuff mixed in there too though.

I only got 90, 73, 45 and 25 micron grades this time, the 120 and above was all way too green. I let it have it with the paint mixer, but I'm not really unhappy with the yield so that's fine. It's still very potent, and I did three runs over all with it. The first two runs i sifted in with each other onto different sorted drying spots, but the 3rd run I just sifted all into one big pile and left it as powder. I pressed the other grades into coins.

Honestly so far I think I liked the powdered mix more than any single grade of the coins. The 73 is pretty nice, it gets me super stoned. The 45 is interestingly not really as potent, but tastes and smokes nicely. I like the 25 grade too from what I can remember of it... Not much.

I don't know how likely it is I'll sort them into different grades in the future. It seems like having the mixed all up together was better, but perhaps I just liked the powder form more than pressed into coins. I guess I could try smoking a mix of the coins later tonight to test. I'm all out of the 25 grade already though.
 
Congrats on your harvest buddy.. that's awesome. Always good to see full jars.

Man you're fast with the hash making.. You should come and visit. I have a weeks worth of hash work!

Love that stuff, have no idea what I'm doing when I make it tho.

1 word for ya:


Nug contest

2 words but they roll off my tongue like its 1 word.

Great job and congrats, G/L with the next round.

Maybe the Sativa high comes more from the terpines and less from the THC... I'm thinking that as I've had the same feeling as you making freezer hash out of sativa trim.

What's in VEG bro?
 
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