Outdoor Organic Balcony Stealth Quadlining: White Widow/Gorgonzola

What you say with the organic amendments makes sense. Today I mixed up with 2 liters water, 1.5 tablespoons of Blood and Bone, and 1.5 tablespoons of Fish Meal and gave it to the slightly pale Quadlined female 2-WW. Some sort of moth or caterpillar or eggs had got into the Blood and Bone packet and had infested it somewhat, I figured that as it was sealed that even though the moth/bugs had been eating it, that all the nutrients would remain in the packet. The Fish Meal label said it was an excellent source of Nitrogen and was slow releasing over 30 - 60 days.

Hopefully 1.5 tablespoons of each is sufficient to assist the plant for any short term Nitrogen need and not be too much to mess up it's progress.
 
I did another foliar feed this morning, spraying leftover to vege garden.
1.5 liter dechlorinated water
3ml 'Seasol' seaweed/keep concentrate
3ml humic/fulvic acids
3ml Fish Hydrolysate

In a couple of days I wont be able to oversee my plants for a week. I have been eager to 100% confirm that the 2 suspected males are indeed males. Today I noticed on 1-WW a big enlarged preflower, it stands out like a sore thumb compared to the smaller formed preflowers on the other nodes. I have been waiting to see 'multiple balls' which to me would be final absolute confirmation of the plant being male. Take a look at this preflower, does this confirm it is male 100%, it seems that way to me. The plant is going great, lush color, growing strongly but I feel going by the following pics, it can or should now be considered male. Altho I want to re-use it's container while there is still time left in this outdoor growing season. I don't want to chop it until I am certain it is a male, but it now looks that way to me. This particular preflower is a round ball shape, clearly sits on a stalk, has a petal shuck curling over the ball end giving a small curved hooked appearance, and it might also be showing another small secondary male preflower ball forming near the stalk.
1-WW (suspected male)

1-WW (suspected male)


1-WW: suspected male preflower?

1-WW: suspected male preflower?


1-WW: suspected male preflower?

1-WW: suspected male preflower?


1-WW: suspected male preflower?

1-WW: suspected male preflower?

 
The 4 plants as of today. The tall un-topped plant (4-WWG) was top dressed with half a cup of Blood and Bone 2 days ago. I can't really tell any difference thus far, and I am not sure whether after only 2 days that one would expect to see any difference. However, being a suspected male it isn't important and once confirmed I will give it the chop.

The Quadlined suspected male (1-WW) which was getting the most sun, I have now moved to be left most, and put his full sister (2-WW) in the prime sun spot with his half sister (3-WWG) in the middle position. Today as mentioned above, I modestly top dressed 2-WW with Blood and Bone, and Fish Meal, to give it some extra Nitrogen (hopefully without overdoing it)
4-WWG (suspected male)

4-WWG (suspected male)


From L to R; 1-WW(suspected male), 3-WWG, 2-WW

From L to R; 1-WW(suspected male), 3-WWG, 2-WW

 
Your plants really look good, Stunger. The untopped "male" 4-WW would probably improve color now that you've given more N. Your other pale plant, the 2-WW, may improve color in areas of new growth too.

It seems to me that your 1-WW is definitely male. The signs are all pointing to that: the shuck, the stalk. Plus, while you have white pistils on 2 of your plants, there are no pistils on 1-WW.

If you are going away, I would at the very least move the males out of the area where your females are. Males will send out pollen early, before the females are in full flower. Maybe it's time to chop the males?

How is the auto doing?
 
Today is a real rush. I have given the chop to 1-WW, see pics below showing the Quadlined training structure.

Re the Auto, I have gently given a 420 Gorilla Glue Auto seed a light sanding and put in some water to soak.

I have added some Molasses and worm wee to a large water can to sit for a few hours then I will give a good watering to the 2 females and the now empty former container of 1-WW. I had to rush to chop all the leaves off and pull it out of the pot because there wasn't much time to do so without family noticing, altho my wife came in to scold me to close the balcony doors as the 'whole house smells of the plant', she has a very sensitive nose.

I intend to let the Gorilla Glue Auto seed soak for a few hours in water then I will plant it in 1-WW's former container, I will probably fix some bird netting over the top of the container to ensure birds wont peck and dig up the soil looking for worms/grubs and endanger the germinating seed. Hopefully by giving the container a good worm wee watering will allow it to keep sufficient moisture for the week ahead to germinate while I am not there to keep an eye on it.

The remaining suspected male, 4-WWG, I will most likely leave in it's pot and hide it amongst the hedge. I am sure it is a male too but I haven't yet had 'final confirmation', but I am interested to see what if any change will occur over the coming week. As I need to experience to learn how to correct deficiencies like the current Nitrogen deficiency that it has been showing. I'll give it the chop in a week, when it will be nice to check and find out if the top dressing with Blood and Bone helped or not. It is now 3 days after top dressing with Blood and Bone and it does look a tiny bit improved I think. We'll see in a week.
:hookah:
1-WW confirmed male getting the chop

1-WW confirmed male getting the chop


1-WW confirmed male getting the chop

1-WW confirmed male getting the chop


1-WW closeup showing Quadlined knuckle

1-WW closeup showing Quadlined knuckle

 
It's been a rush, 4-WWG has now been stealthily secreted amongst other plants and given a good watering. See pic below for how it looked this morning 3 days after a top dressing of 1/2 cup of Blood and Bone. It seems like it could be looking a tiny bit improved, but that could be wishful thinking, it is hard to say, but it'll be interesting to check again in a week as I'd like to acquire the confidence to remedy any such future deficiencies in a timely manner rather than waiting for a trainwreck to happen.

The second pic is the new balcony lineup, the left pot now contains a 420 Gorilla Glue Auto seed (which I will refer to as 1-GGA), it was lightly sanded and soaked in water for about 6 hours earlier today. Fingers crossed that it germinates and the pot holds enough moisture for a week, I spread a light layer of pea straw mulch over the soil to help the top surface where the germinating seed is, so it hopefully doesn't get too baked dry when the sun is out over that period. I also covered it's pot with some bird netting. I hope it sprouts and survives. If it does I will have to consider whether to add and work in a little fish meal to give some Nitrogen back to the soil that the previous plant (1-WW) would have used up, and any other amendments too, tricky to do I would think with a developing seedling in the pot. I only pulled the previous resident (1-WW) out this morning with it's main root ball but there are still lots of it's little hair like roots remaining in the soil, so maybe it will leave some mycorrhizal fungi to be of benefit to the germinating Gorilla Glue Auto seed. One can always hope :goodluck:
4-WWG (suspected male) keeping to test Nitrogen amendment

4-WWG (suspected male) keeping to test Nitrogen amendment

Given Blood n Bone 3 days ago, could be tiny improvement

From L-R; 1-GGA, 3-WWG, 2-WW

From L-R; 1-GGA, 3-WWG, 2-WW

Germinating 420 Gorilla Glue Auto in leftmost pot
 
Germination conditions will be better if you could somehow maintain a nice humidity for the GGA while you are away. I guess mulch will help, but maybe not enough if it gets sun and warmth. I would definitely water the soil in that pot generously, leaving it wet. I would consider sealing off the top of that pot with a plastic sheet and tape to keep the humidity in for the week, just so the soil doesn't dry up, just an idea.
 
That is a good thought, I will look for small plastic container and poke a couple of holes in it and place it upturned over the location of the germinating seed.
 
When I left 7 days ago the plants were like this ...
:yummy:
From L-R; 1-GGA, 3-WWG, 2-WW

From L-R; 1-GGA, 3-WWG, 2-WW

As they looked before break


I just got back earlier today and found the weather in my absence had been sunny every day and everything has got really dried.

First the suspected male 4-WWG. This was still looking pretty good even if I suspect it as being male, it has grown more and it just looked a bit droppy and withered on one limb mostly.
4-WWG must have got some rain

4-WWG must have got some rain

in 30 liter pot

And 2 hours after a watering it now looks totally fine. And I have to say that it also looks noticeably improved from the Nitrogen themed emergency amendments I gave to it a couple of weeks ago. Having had plants on previous grows develop Nitrogen deficiency which I had always failed to adequate address, it is great to see what looks to be a noticable almost acceptable improvement.
2 hours later after watering

2 hours later after watering


My 2 confirmed girls got pretty badly dehydrated and look pretty close to terminal
7 Days later. Holy crap they looking dreadful

7 Days later. Holy crap they looking dreadful


3-WWG looking very similar

3-WWG looking very similar

in 50 liter pot

2-WW from side on, heavily dehydrated

2-WW from side on, heavily dehydrated

In 30 liter pot

I gave them a watering and after 2 hours they recovered to look like this, hopefully by tomorrow they can recover further, and if possible recover fully.
2 hours after being watered

2 hours after being watered


2 hours after being watered

2 hours after being watered


3-WWG

3-WWG


2-WW

2-WW


I fear the Gorilla Glue Auto is a goner. I'll check tomorrow, if there is improvement then great, but I feel it is looks gone unfortunately. Seeds are hard to come by so it is disappointing that I have wasted that one. I will sand 2 more seeds and soak in water overnight to hopefully germinate them as soon as possible. 7 days ago I had soaked the pot and placed a small plastic upended container over the presoaked seed but it wasn't enough to protect it. Emeraldo had suggested using a plastic sheet which in hindsight I should have done. At the time I was assuming some days would rain and I was concerned that the enclosing the whole pot might create too much humidity, in the past I have seen the results of damping off occurring when there too much moisture, hindsight is great, but yeah, shoulda listened, with the dry week it had it probably would have survived ok. Nevermind something to learn from!

1-GGA

1-GGA

 
Plants are glad you're back. Those girls will recover, they've had a touch of stress, but nothing to be done except pamper them. Now you know: If you go away for a few days, drench before you leave... And seeds need humidity to germinate, so probably better not to start one before the vacation... Now that you're back, go for it!

When I go away for a month every summer I set up a simple ceramic watering system called "Blumat". You plug the ceramic point into the soil and hang the other end of the line into a 5L water source. I set this system up a week before I leave, just so I can see the water level dropping slowly even before I go. The plants get just enough water to keep them happy.

Wow that suspected male is looking healthy! Let's hope he's female! Good job Stunger! :D
 
Thanks Emeraldo!

I did comprehensively drench the pots before leaving. I did the same last year too, but last year there was rain in my absence. The balcony (quadlined) pots cop the sun, and the sun heats up the balcony stone paving which adds to the heat/water stress when no rain. For sure next time I will have to ensure I have some supplementary system to provide some moisture assistance. The Bluemat system sounds interesting, the local grow shop has some of the range, something to look into. I could have put the pots in a deep dish too, I considered that but I didn't really want to have the roots overly sitting in water after always carefully keeping them well drained. It was also suggested that I could have hooked a timer to a sprinkler or soaker hose and have it coming up the side of the house to the balcony but for that I was concerned it might look too obvious to my neighbors (that's stealth growing paranoia for you!).

The up-topped tall suspected male is looked hugely improved. That was a big surprise to see how much it has come back from having previously been so 'lime green' pale. In hindsight, I feel I had been too especially conservative with Nitrogen amendments after having read posts that shared caution on the dangers of over doing it - but it is all down to actual experience of knowing how much quantity is too much or not enough. So anyway, male or not, I am super pleased to have successfully treated that back to much better visible health when in past grows I have failed to overcome Nitrogen deficiency by being too cautious. A huge big thanks to you for sharing your experience - really really helpful! After all, when doing an outdoor grow, if you terminally mess up you have to wait another year to try again next season which is gutting.

My very first grow on that balcony was a late start and over the same break when I returned it was similarly severely wilted. But that plant recovered and went on to produce the best sticky buds I have ever produced. So who knows what will happen to these but I'll be happy if this episode of dehydration produces a similar result!

It is wonderful how the plant under water stress conditions will sequentially allocate a limb or two to sacrifice and allow to wilt before more of the plant is affected. The 2 girls (2-WW & 3-WWG) both have sacrificed and lost some of the bigger older fan leaves from the dehydration so in effect they have received a defoliation of sorts from this lack of water episode.

I think the smaller potted girl (2-WW) is also looking improved. To 4-WWG I applied half cup of Blood n Bone, but to 2-WW I was more cautious as I knew it was a girl and didn't want to risk overdoing it, so I only gave 1.5 tablespoons each of Blood n Bone and Fish Meal as it wasn't in as bad a state. I will wait a couple of days and may give it a little more Blood n Bone. But it looks like it is gaining more color so it may be ok, I don't want to upset it's flowering stage by giving too much.

I am kicking myself for wasting a Gorilla Glue Auto seed, which this morning shows no change and has clearly died. I started with 10 seeds of the Gorilla Glue Autos, so I felt I could risk germinating one in my absence as the outdoor grow season is already well advanced. Anyway, I have another seed that has been soaking overnight and will plant that in the same pot today. I may lightly work in a little Blood n Bone and Fishmeal (maybe 2 tablespoons each) around the outer perimeter of the pot where the seedling's roots are unlikely to reach for presumably at least a couple of weeks or so. It is one of my big pots (50 liters) so there should be sufficient room from the center of the pot where I'll shallowly bury the seed before it's roots reach the amended soil. I may even kick off a couple more Gorilla Glue Autos as I want to try my hand at forcing one to develop female pollen and then if successful I can produce a whole bunch of female Gorilla Glue Auto seeds.
After over night rehydration

After over night rehydration


3-WWG

3-WWG


2-WW

2-WW


1-GGA

1-GGA

 
It has been 2 days since I returned to find the plants severely dehydrated. The girls are looking much better now.

The female White Widow Xtrm (2-WW) is looking a bit light in color, following the treatment success of 4-WWG, I gave her about half a cup of Blood n Bone this morning, I applied it with a long handled spoon because with all the Quadlined training of the plant it was practically impossible to have any space to work it into the soil's surface layer. A bit over a week ago I had given her 1.5 tablespoons of Fish Meal and Blood n Bone, but now feel a little more would be helpful.

I also Foliar feed both plants with the standard mix that I seem to have settled on:
1.5 liter de-chlorinated water
3 ml Humic & Fulvic acids
3 ml 'Seasol' liquid Kelp concentrate
3 ml Fish Hydrolyslate
3 drops organic liquid dish soap as a surfactant

The remainder of the foliar spray mix I added to the watering can along with some worm wee in about a 7:1 ratio. I watered them all the plants but particularly 2-WW because I wanted to water in the Blood n Bone that I sprinkled on 2-WW's soil.

Altho the first pistils were seen on 2-WW & 3-WWG very early in the late November, there has since been no explosion of pistil growth, just a modest few about, so I am assuming that these are best considered early pre-flowers and I am now expecting the 'proper' flowering growth stage to begin mid to late January, in another 2- 3 weeks. I had previously been inclined to call the first day of flowering to be the day when the first pistil is observed, but for outdoor photoperiod at least, maybe it is better to count the first day from when the flowers first start to show the beginnings of fluffy tops with pistils.

Here is how they look 2 days after their near terminal dehydration. Hopefully the Blood n Bone will be just enough to get 2-WW's color up.
From L- R; sprouting auto container, 3-WWG, 2-WW

From L- R; sprouting auto container, 3-WWG, 2-WW


3-WWG

3-WWG


2-WW

2-WW

 
Stunger said:
...Altho the first pistils were seen on 2-WW & 3-WWG very early in the late November, there has since been no explosion of pistil growth, just a modest few about, so I am assuming that these are best considered early pre-flowers and I am now expecting the 'proper' flowering growth stage to begin mid to late January, in another 2- 3 weeks. I had previously been inclined to call the first day of flowering to be the day when the first pistil is observed, but for outdoor photoperiod at least, maybe it is better to count the first day from when the flowers first start to show the beginnings of fluffy tops with pistils...
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Yes, I remember we were astounded that your plants appeared to have gone into flowering in late November, even before the days start getting shorter after December 21. Pre-flowering might explain it, particularly since your plants have now paused on pistils. Flowering may resume back "on schedule" in the next weeks.

I don't know why this happened with your plants, I've not seen pistils quite that early in my own grows.

Growers like us like to use the breeder's stated number of flowering days to gauge how long the plants will need, like 8 weeks, 10 weeks, etc. This info is of course intended for indoor. Outdoors, it is different. Weather, daylength, sun intensity, cold, and many variable factors make outdoor growing more of a gamble.

I've given up using the stated indoor flowering time estimates, except for a general idea when buying seeds. Especially outdoors, each plant can turn out differently. If I had harvested Arjan's Haze #1 on GHS' stated day of October 21, it would've been a huge mistake. Instead, that plant needed a whole month more.

Wow your plants really look good. The 2WW will probably respond nicely to the additional N. Am curious about your auto seed, maybe I will try that too next summer.
 
Today, it is only 23C but feels hot and dry. The bigger girl (3-WWG) in one of the 50 liter pots is showing signs of leaves mildly beginning to wilt, so I gave them all a good watering of diluted worm wee.
from L - R; 3-WWG & 2-WW

from L - R; 3-WWG & 2-WW



My first Gorilla Glue Auto seed, I planted nearly a couple of weeks ago died from a lack of water. I scuffed and soaked a second GGa seed on Sunday and planted it in the pot that the recently culled male was in. Today after 4 days since popping straight into the soil after a 12 hour soak, it has sprouted from the soil. :yahoo:The soil is getting 'baked' on the balcony so I have been careful about not getting water too close to it, as I have seen 'damping off' before and it's not pretty.
1-GGa

1-GGa

Seed was scuffed and soaked for 12 hours then planted Monday, broken thru the surface today...


My tall un-topped plant (4-WWG) is now looking pretty damn good I think after treating it for Nitrogen deficiency. So that is super pleasing, to be able to treat a plant successfully, as in the past I have waited too long and been too conservative and failed to resolve the deficiency.
4-WWG - most likely a male

4-WWG - most likely a male

Looking much improved from previous Nitrogen deficiency

The downside to the untopped plant (4-WWG) is that I am certain it is a male. I haven't found multiple balls yet, it is probably a bit early for that yet but not much, however the pre-flower structures are all screaming 'male' to my eyes.
4-WWG

4-WWG

suspected male preflower

4-WWG

4-WWG

Suspected male preflower

:hookah:
 
After breaking thru this morning, now it's later in the afternoon and the Gorilla Glue Auto (1-GGa) is opening up.
:cheer:
1-GGa

1-GGa

420: Gorilla Glue Auto

3-WWG seems all fully recovered from last week's dehydration scare. :hug:
3-WWG

3-WWG


2-WW has recovered well also and perhaps showing a tiny bit of color improvement. :cool:
2-WW

2-WW

 
Kiaora Koro, ka pai tena koe/Gidday geezer good to see ya.
Still reading back a bit, so will try and not make too much of an ass of myself (see what I did there?), (see what I mean?), ahh..
:ciao:
Do you find 420’s mail order straightforward enough? Sorry if that’s indiscreet. I’m about to pm you anyway because you asked on another thread about my soil mix for cloning. I thought I’d jump ahead of where I’m at and drop this..
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I’ll tell you the stores in the green room backstage.
Really enjoying the read so far :peace::cool:
 
DonkeyDick said:
Kiaora Koro, ka pai tena koe/Gidday geezer good to see ya.
Still reading back a bit, so will try and not make too much of an ass of myself (see what I did there?), (see what I mean?), ahh..
:ciao:
Do you find 420’s mail order straightforward enough? Sorry if that’s indiscreet. I’m about to pm you anyway because you asked on another thread about my soil mix for cloning. I thought I’d jump ahead of where I’m at and drop this..
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I’ll tell you the stores in the green room backstage.
Really enjoying the read so far :peace::cool:
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I shared a friend's 420 order. No, it wasn't straight forward. 2 attempts got stopped, the third one made it.
Previously the 'friend' had also used AMS for 2 orders, of the first order the first attempted delivery failed and the second succeeded, and on the next AMS order both attempted deliveries failed. He also achieved a double failure with Herbies. I don't believe it is the fault of the seed companies, it is all down to the pettiness of Customs and repressive NZ rules unfortunately. I sure hope that changes when the Referendum comes later this year. :adore:

Of your pic of amendments, I use the same, except a different brand of Worm Castings, but now I have a worm farm up and running so I'll be using castings from that in future, I am making full use of the worm farm's Worm Wee when it comes to watering. Hopefully it's making a good contribution.

I am very interested in any locally obtainable product within NZ for soil inoculants, mycorhizae etc. I have read of products overseas like Recharge that people speak highly of, I really don't know about what is best that is obtainable here in NZ.
 

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