Happy Easter to ya OMM, going to N.Y. again to do some sort of Easter egg hunt, maybe we catch that damn bunnie that is confused, laying eggs..
OldMedMan's 2nd Grow 5 Strains and AirPots
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High OMM! Bit of a read catching up but I got 'er done. Your plants look great man. They ought to give you many happy times for sure. 
Another thing about the silica. It will raise the pH quite a bit when added to the water so be sure to adjust before adding nutes to the mix or feeding it to your girls. When I did the tub for the ScroG I added 1/2 my usual dose and the pH went to 9.0. I lower it to around 6 then add my nutes and adjust to around 5.4 before setting the plant(s) in there. Makes a good pH up additive too. You don't have to use a lot especially if you are using real dirt as soil contains silica too.
I sure would like to get over to toke with you too. October sounds great as I could be there for my B'day on the 14th. Gotta buy more lotto tickets!
Good luck with the girls, as if you need it!
C'ya
Another thing about the silica. It will raise the pH quite a bit when added to the water so be sure to adjust before adding nutes to the mix or feeding it to your girls. When I did the tub for the ScroG I added 1/2 my usual dose and the pH went to 9.0. I lower it to around 6 then add my nutes and adjust to around 5.4 before setting the plant(s) in there. Makes a good pH up additive too. You don't have to use a lot especially if you are using real dirt as soil contains silica too.
I sure would like to get over to toke with you too. October sounds great as I could be there for my B'day on the 14th. Gotta buy more lotto tickets!
Good luck with the girls, as if you need it!
C'ya
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High OMM! Bit of a read catching up but I got 'er done. Your plants look great man. They ought to give you many happy times for sure.
Another thing about the silica. It will raise the pH quite a bit when added to the water so be sure to adjust before adding nutes to the mix or feeding it to your girls. When I did the tub for the ScroG I added 1/2 my usual dose and the pH went to 9.0. I lower it to around 6 then add my nutes and adjust to around 5.4 before setting the plant(s) in there. Makes a good pH up additive too. You don't have to use a lot especially if you are using real dirt as soil contains silica too.
I sure would like to get over to toke with you too. October sounds great as I could be there for my B'day on the 14th. Gotta buy more lotto tickets!
Good luck with the girls, as if you need it!
C'ya
Thanks LabRat I was thinking about that very thing, just now. You got long reaching vibes man.
Ok, your in hydro sooo my pH should be around 6.3 to 6.5 in soil all said an done? After I've added everything right?We don't have lotto
But it would be fun to toke with you.
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High MountainHigh Just sounds good to me.
Good for you on the doing the cooking. I cooked through two marriages and the single bits in between.Was/am a good cook. Since I lost most of my taste buds I gave it up.
Isn't it nice to hear friends say "Welcome Back" after a while in the twilight zone? The drug you referenced made me one angry person. Hated everybody, including myself. MMJ has become the wonder "drug" to a lot of lost souls.
It's changed us back into human beings again. Just feel that vibe here on 420. Can't help but love it here.
Hell, High you've already a better person, you love people and life all over again.
I feel like I am in a renaissance of my life, it has been great. Knowing how far I have came is giving me so much strength to continue.
Thank you OMM for your kind words, they are always uplifting for me. You sir are a good man!
I noticed one of your girls is complaining about not getting a new pot? You are too soft on them...when they complain I waterboard them....
They don't seem to mind as much as I would though....
Hope she pulls out of it, was wanting a smoke report on that girl.
Aloha my friend on this Easter Day.
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I feel like I am in a renaissance of my life, it has been great. Knowing how far I have came is giving me so much strength to continue.
Thank you OMM for your kind words, they are always uplifting for me. You sir are a good man!
I noticed one of your girls is complaining about not getting a new pot? You are too soft on them...when they complain I waterboard them....
Hope she pulls out of it, was wanting a smoke report on that girl.
Aloha my friend on this Easter Day.
Hi High I think you said it all...your in a renaissance alright...and it will continue to happen over and over. Each time is better than the last.
Lilbit sure has helped.
My girls are getting allot of rain right now. They seem to love it, but sure wish they could dry out a bit, so I could feed them some nutes.
Well, Joanne the smoke tells me it's time to take a nap, Believe I will.
Aloha
Thanks LabRat I was thinking about that very thing, just now. You got long reaching vibes man.
We don't have lotto
But it would be fun to toke with you.
G'day mate. This is how I pH'd Pippa in soil. I used a pH of 6.0 1st water then measured the run off. If the runoff was high pH, next water I use low pH of 5.5 and measure runoff. If it's low pH, next water use high pH of 7. After the first few you kinda get a feel for what to add. If they're getting lots of rain usually high in pH, water with pH of about 5.5 IMO to bring down up a little. It's a nice incremental way of adjusting your soil pH I reckon. This method works for me really well. Hope it helps.
PS Get some good pH up and down it makes life much easier.
MountainHigh
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G'day mate. This is how I pH'd Pippa in soil. I used a pH of 6.0 1st water then measured the run off. If the runoff was high pH, next water I use low pH of 5.5 and measure runoff. If it's low pH, next water use high pH of 7. After the first few you kinda get a feel for what to add. If they're getting lots of rain usually high in pH, water with pH of about 5.5 IMO to bring down up a little. It's a nice incremental way of adjusting your soil pH I reckon. This method works for me really well. Hope it helps.
PS Get some good pH up and down it makes life much easier.
And don't forget to ph your Clearex....
That is mean stuff. (BTW I think rain is slightly acidic...naturally and artificially from hydrocarbon air pollution, but I might be wrong...just remember acid rain in the 70-80's being a big deal as it was destroying old limestone buildings and statues.)
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The only bug I liked was Pinky in my last grow.
Ahhh. Those were the days!
Plants seem to be having a "tough time" living the life in Hawaii.
Great Pics OMM!
SF
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Hello my Buddy High
If you had been here you wouldn't have thought I was calm.
The only bug I liked was Pinky in my last grow.
Marigolds sound good. Joanne planting them! She kills plants just by touching them.
See you soon in your journal.
I feel silly, I kinda missed your pictures bro...and this post. Yeah, I don't handle the immediate with as much calm as I would like yet either...but bugs I would of freaked out....atomic bombs going off in my garden...bugs glowing...dealing with the fallout......I just don't wanna
(Classic Denial)Your girls are really looking great bro, raising tree's in those airpots...me thinks those have some serious merit!!! Poor little brave bubblicious is hanging in there though, don't give up on her. Ph her nutes and water to 7 all the time, and that will slowly pull her up over time, might put a rain shield on her pot, something like a no scratch collar for dogs to keep it from getting soaked when it rains. My guess is her soil probably went acidic, they do that in bloom anyway as they eat the alkaline stored nutes and leave the acid ones, they drift down and I think you guys have some acid rain which would compound the problem.
Might check with local water company (whatever the rainwater storage tanks are called), they should know the exact ph of your area's average rain, might even have it posted for your area. If your soil drifted low it would lock out nitrogen and force an early eating of her fans. If not maybe she is just unhappy with wet feet....maybe airpots are the solution for your area.
Those are my idea's, could be jungle fever too for all I know
. Maybe you could seed your neighborhood ladybug population for added pest control (if they are even allowed on the island..iono).Aloha my friend,
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G'day mate. This is how I pH'd Pippa in soil. I used a pH of 6.0 1st water then measured the run off. If the runoff was high pH, next water I use low pH of 5.5 and measure runoff. If it's low pH, next water use high pH of 7. After the first few you kinda get a feel for what to add. If they're getting lots of rain usually high in pH, water with pH of about 5.5 IMO to bring down up a little. It's a nice incremental way of adjusting your soil pH I reckon. This method works for me really well. Hope it helps.
PS Get some good pH up and down it makes life much easier.
Hi groover Well, for some reason I still don't understand pH like I should.
I am armed with pH up and down. What I have done is look at a pH chart that shows the point where nutes are most easily used by the plants. That seems to be right at 6.5 to 7 in soil. So everything that has been given them to them has been right at 6.5. Since I put them in the AirPots I have not pH'ed the run off. I will have to figure out a way to do that tomorrow...if it not raining again.
Check this out: I just checked my last watering and it was 8 days ago. Then all I gave them was molasses. Since then they have been constantly in rain showers day and night. The AirPots are soaked. I finger checked them today and they are wet as far as my finger can go into the soil. They drain like crazy so the rain is running right through them.
The plants themselves look wonderful. Still a beautiful green and all the leaves uplifted. No sign at all of any kind of problems. Bubblelicious is on the back porch drying out and looking a bit better.
Here's my plan for the next watering, when ever that is.
All recommended quantities will be at half strength.
Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Bloom for soil all organic 1-4-5
Since I use RO water only. Botanicare recommends also giving
Botanicare Cal Mag 2-0-0
Last,
Botanicare Silica Blast
Tell me what you think groover. All my FF nutes are old and do not look like they used to, so I changed to Botanicare nutes.
I am almost temped to give this to them even though they are wet, since everything just flows through them anyway. Sure would like your take on this and your recommendations.
Thanks Buddy.
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And don't forget to ph your Clearex....
(BTW I think rain is slightly acidic...naturally and artificially from hydrocarbon air pollution, but I might be wrong...just remember acid rain in the 70-80's being a big deal as it was destroying old limestone buildings and statues.)
Hi High I used Clearex at the end of my last grow and you are right!
Now that you mentioned it Where did the acid rain go? I don't see what would have stopped it. We still pollute like crazy. I was in Athens then and the Greeks were going crazy trying to save the Parthenon.
Aloha from the wet cold Islands.
If the run off comes out any side holes just collect it and test it. That's another reason I like my pH testube kit. You only need 15ml of runoff to test.Hi groover Well, for some reason I still don't understand pH like I should.
I am armed with pH up and down. What I have done is look at a pH chart that shows the point where nutes are most easily used by the plants. That seems to be right at 6.5 to 7 in soil. So everything that has been given them to them has been right at 6.5. Since I put them in the AirPots I have not pH'ed the run off. I will have to figure out a way to do that tomorrow...if it not raining again.
Check this out: I just checked my last watering and it was 8 days ago. Then all I gave them was molasses. Since then they have been constantly in rain showers day and night. The AirPots are soaked. I finger checked them today and they are wet as far as my finger can go into the soil. They drain like crazy so the rain is running right through them.
The plants themselves look wonderful. Still a beautiful green and all the leaves uplifted. No sign at all of any kind of problems. Bubblelicious is on the back porch drying out and looking a bit better.
Here's my plan for the next watering, when ever that is.
All recommended quantities will be at half strength.
Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Bloom for soil all organic 1-4-5
Since I use RO water only. Botanicare recommends also giving
Botanicare Cal Mag 2-0-0
Last,
Botanicare Silica Blast
Tell me what you think groover. All my FF nutes are old and do not look like they used to, so I changed to Botanicare nutes.
I am almost temped to give this to them even though they are wet, since everything just flows through them anyway. Sure would like your take on this and your recommendations.
Thanks Buddy.
I kinda like High's idea of the rain collar if they get too wet. I got a cheap pH/moisture/light meter thingy with two long probes on it that you stick in the soil. It's real handy for checking moisture. I think it was $8. Because the pots are so free flowing as was Pippa It'll be OK to give em some food IMO. I'd be more likely to use full strength but only give each pot 1/2 a gal and let the rain wash it thru. It will be in the pot for such a short time it won't burn 'em even if it is a bit hot. Remember they love tropical action. As long as it's not pouring all day and night and it drains well you'll be OK. Here's another thing about soil it's so forgiving because it stores excess nutes. How many "normal" gardeners worry about pH and stuff. Most water with a hose or sprinkler straight from town supply. No R/O, nothing. They mix nutes to directions and wacky doo, they've got a lush garden in their yard. It's easy to make things a lot more complicated than they need to be.
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Ahhh. Those were the days!
Plants seem to be having a "tough time" living the life in Hawaii.
Great Pics OMM!
SF
Hey SF Good to see you Bro.
Hawaiian Duck and I have been telling you guys it isn't as easy growing outside here as one might think. When I say we're having showers, it means a heavy down pour for maybe about an hour. I mean turtle floating, frog drowning rain. Pounding.
Today the wind is down to 25 mph. The last 3 days its been up to 50 mph.
Many roofs were blown away on the other side of the island.
Convinced yet?
Do you feel sorry for poor OldMedMan yet?
Oh! Well! I tried.
Hey SF Good to see you Bro.
Hawaiian Duck and I have been telling you guys it isn't as easy growing outside here as one might think. When I say we're having showers, it means a heavy down pour for maybe about an hour. I mean turtle floating, frog drowning rain. Pounding.
Today the wind is down to 25 mph. The last 3 days its been up to 50 mph.
Many roofs were blown away on the other side of the island.
Convinced yet?
Do you feel sorry for poor OldMedMan yet?
Oh! Well! I tried.
Sounds like good Aussie weather mate.
Droughts,floods,tropical cyclones,bush fires. Flash floods during water restrictions
Keeps it interesting. A couple of years ago the water was chest high just up at the next cross street. Mums house is up off the ground and I had to put a new drain in so my new room doesn't flood. Cooling down now autumn is here. Starting to get a bit chilly. Especially right before sunrise.- Thread starter
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If the run off comes out any side holes just collect it and test it. That's another reason I like my pH testube kit. You only need 15ml of runoff to test.
I kinda like High's idea of the rain collar if they get too wet. I got a cheap pH/moisture/light meter thingy with two long probes on it that you stick in the soil. It's real handy for checking moisture. I think it was $8. Because the pots are so free flowing as was Pippa It'll be OK to give em some food IMO. I'd be more likely to use full strength but only give each pot 1/2 a gal and let the rain wash it thru. It will be in the pot for such a short time it won't burn 'em even if it is a bit hot. Remember they love tropical action. As long as it's not pouring all day and night and it drains well you'll be OK. Here's another thing about soil it's so forgiving because it stores excess nutes. How many "normal" gardeners worry about pH and stuff. Most water with a hose or sprinkler straight from town supply. No R/O, nothing. They mix nutes to directions and wacky doo, they've got a lush garden in their yard. It's easy to make things a lot more complicated than they need to be.
Sorry mate, didn't me to sound like an old women running around pulling her hair out.
This grow has been so much better than the last one, I see the possibility of a wonderful harvest at the end and I don't want to mess it up.
Well, thanks for your recommendation. I will do just as you said tomorrow.
If it doesn't rain there after, I will run 2 gallons of water though them to prevent any burns. By the way, it's 1 AM and it's raining again with high winds. It's the tropics alright!
I do feel good, because my gut feeling was to feed them anyway.
Maybe I am picking up a little bit of a feel for them.
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Hi groover Well, for some reason I still don't understand pH like I should.
I am armed with pH up and down. What I have done is look at a pH chart that shows the point where nutes are most easily used by the plants. That seems to be right at 6.5 to 7 in soil. So everything that has been given them to them has been right at 6.5. Since I put them in the AirPots I have not pH'ed the run off. I will have to figure out a way to do that tomorrow...if it not raining again.
Check this out: I just checked my last watering and it was 8 days ago. Then all I gave them was molasses. Since then they have been constantly in rain showers day and night. The AirPots are soaked. I finger checked them today and they are wet as far as my finger can go into the soil. They drain like crazy so the rain is running right through them.
The plants themselves look wonderful. Still a beautiful green and all the leaves uplifted. No sign at all of any kind of problems. Bubblelicious is on the back porch drying out and looking a bit better.
Here's my plan for the next watering, when ever that is.
All recommended quantities will be at half strength.
Botanicare
Pure Blend Pro Bloom for soil all organic 1-4-5
Since I use RO water only. Botanicare recommends also giving
Botanicare Cal Mag 2-0-0
Last,
Botanicare Silica Blast
Tell me what you think groover. All my FF nutes are old and do not look like they used to, so I changed to Botanicare nutes.
I am almost temped to give this to them even though they are wet, since everything just flows through them anyway. Sure would like your take on this and your recommendations.
Thanks Buddy.
I know you were asking Groover, but I figured I'd chime in since I've used PBP nutes and additives in Soil, Pro-Mix, and Clay.
You're pretty on-track with the pH. My experience was a pH of about 6.2 is optimal in soil. With a drift of about +- 5.9-6.5
You've got the right idea with the nutes as far as the levels go. I have found these nutes to be very forgiving. And you will want the additives. Cal/Mag and Liquid Karma. The LK is not cheap, but you can go a little light on it and its not too terrible. And it greatly improves the uptake of the other nutrients. Basically for a normal feeding, I use a general ratio of 3 : 2 : 2 of PBP Grow/Bloom : LK : Cal/Mag+.
The gotcha for me would be the rain outside. Not sure how it would affect measurements. I think I would just use that ratio. Let the plants take what they want. If you see they need more nutes it would either be because the rain is flushing the pots, then I would add smaller ppm more often. Or if its not raining and they still show any defficiancies then just raise the levels.
Last thought - these are nicely balanced nutes. I for one would not be afraid to push them till you see a little burn. Then back off. I feel like the nutes are balanced enough that even at extreme levels they don't tend to lock out.
Edit: Re the Silica - that's for cell strength and gives them extra health in harsh environments - I would definitely be using that at full label strength given your weather. And as far as adding the other FF nutes - I would not do them in the same feeding. Each line is balanced.
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Sounds like good Aussie weather mate.
Damn groover It does sound the same
You are very close to allot of water, so I can understand that. My house is only partly off the ground, all the new parts are not raised. The neighborhood cats love it under there.In 89 we had a flood come right up to our door and stop..
That's cool about the new drain...ya never know!
We are just another species here on earth, so truthfully Mother Nature doesn't really give a sh*t.
heeeeeeelp
helo i live in wales, in the uk if you dont know where wales is. im growing 3 week old white cheese and normal cheese plants, they had a bad start but maintained a healthy green couler. they are only now on there second true leaves is that a normal grow rate, im growing in a propagator and a prety big plastic tent, useing tomato nutrients, their roots are doing well and ive suprisingly maneged to keep there stems about a cm tall. im putting 14 normal cheese seeds in the grow tent, any tips would be great, is white cheese an actual strain i think its a white rhino cross with cheese?
thanks
helo i live in wales, in the uk if you dont know where wales is. im growing 3 week old white cheese and normal cheese plants, they had a bad start but maintained a healthy green couler. they are only now on there second true leaves is that a normal grow rate, im growing in a propagator and a prety big plastic tent, useing tomato nutrients, their roots are doing well and ive suprisingly maneged to keep there stems about a cm tall. im putting 14 normal cheese seeds in the grow tent, any tips would be great, is white cheese an actual strain i think its a white rhino cross with cheese?
thanks
Damn groover It does sound the same
In 89 we had a flood come right up to our door and stop..
That's cool about the new drain...ya never know!
We are just another species here on earth, so truthfully Mother Nature doesn't really give a sh*t.
Papa's right too. Everyone that grows in soil does everything slightly different and to their own preference which really demonstrates how forgiving it is. You'd have to be way off to botch a soil grow IMO. The new drain is cool but not as cool as the concrete saw I hired to do it. What a beast. Same here. None of the new stuff is raised. My room and the workshop. It's just a soak drain so if it really floods I don't think there's much to do but sandbag the doorways and cross the fingers. Mother nature is full on. I've seen a yacht end up on someone's back deck. Messy. Amazing, brutal,wonderfull.