Nutty & His Antics

so after reading many posts about DONT WORRY ABOUT PH it dosnt matter ,



so the moral of the story is . if your medium climbs too quickly ph your water to bring it down


Some water sources cause the pH of a growing medium to rise rapidly over time. This has nothing to do with the pH of the water, but rather with the alkalinity in the water. Alkalinity is a measure of the bicarbonates and carbonates in the water. Another way to understand water alkalinity is that it is a measure of the ‘’limestone’’ content in the water. The higher the alkalinity, the more ‘’limestone’’ that is being applied, causing the pH of the growing medium to climb. To offset this pH rise, acids are injected into the irrigation water to neutralize some of the alkalinity and reduce the ‘’limestone’’ content in the water. Here are some important tips to consider when choosing an acid.

Selecting an Acid

When deciding which acid to use, there are several factors to consider including safety, additional plant nutrients provided, cost, and availability. The most common acids used to reduce water alkalinity include sulfuric, nitric, phosphoric and citric acids. For these 4 acids: see how much is required to drop the alkalinity of the water by 50 ppm CaCO3, the nutrients provided, relative safety, and cost (Table 1).

Acid% Active ingredientFl. ounces/100 gallons water to neutralize 50 ppm alkalinityppm element suppliedRelative safety*Cost **
Citric Acid (h3C6H5O7)50%1.78 oz.None1$$$
Nitric Acid (h3 NO3)67%0.87 oz.14.3 ppm N5$$
Phosphoric Acid (H3PO4)75%0.94 oz.27.5 ppm P3$$
Sulfuric Acid (H2 SO4)35%1.42 oz.16.1 ppm S3$
Table 1. *Relative safety: 1 = fairly safe; 5 = very dangerous   **Cost: $ = least expensive; $$$ = most expensive

Nutrients Provided by Acid

Table 1 shows the parts per million (ppm) of the element supplied by each acid.  Citric acid does not provide any significant levels of elements. Nitric and phosphoric acids provide needed plant nutrients that are often provided solely by fertilizers. When using a higher rate of an acid, it can provide a significant level of a plant nutrient as seen in Table 1, so a fertilizer with a lower ratio of this element may need to be used.
In the case of nitric acid, this may mean reducing the application rate of an existing fertilizer. If this does not work, then use a fertilizer with a lower ratio of nitrogen to potassium, such as 15-2-20, 15-5-25, 17-5-24, 20-5-30, etc. Remember that using a new fertilizer may have a different influence on the pH of the growing medium.
When using phosphoric acid, higher rates can provide more phosphorus than crops require. Most crops only need 20 ppm P (45 ppm P205), so if enough acid is injected to reduce alkalinity by 50 ppm CaCO3, then too much phosphorus is applied at 27.5 ppm. Extra phosphorus will not harm the crop, but it can lead to stretching and softer growth. If phosphoric acid is used, consider using a fertilizer with no phosphorus, such as 17-0-17, 20-0-20, 25-0-25, etc.
Sulfuric acid provides sulfur in the form of sulfate, which is needed by plants and is often low in water sources and fertilizer programs. Therefore, high rates of sulfuric acid do not cause any issues with the crops as the normal recommended range for sulfur (sulfate) is 25-60 ppm sulfur (75-180 ppm sulfate). For these reasons, and the fact that it is typically the least expensive, sulfuric acid is the choice of most growers.

 
few pics , not much to add , sunflowers are doing well though :laugh:

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few pics , not much to add , sunflowers are doing well though :laugh:

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Looks great as usual. Busy Busy, all the time. Can't wait to see your air pots explode.
 
Awesome...You might be on to something here.
I could do with some. As my soil holds to much water even with 40% perlite. It's goes all muddy
You might be able to sell your idea:idea:

This time next year rodders
what soil do you use mate ?
 
Looks great as usual. Busy Busy, all the time. Can't wait to see your air pots explode.
i know mate , i can never wait on any thing lol , doing my head in waiting on the seed germinating never mind the end result :laugh:
 
i know mate , i can never wait on any thing lol , doing my head in waiting on the seed germinating never mind the end result :laugh:
How is the toe doing. I bet it went purple on your.
 
How is the toe doing. I bet it went purple on your.
doing great , i am very attached lol :laugh:


been a bit quiet as i am doing a bit of a watering study , i am also studying root growth , and root feeding . :nerd-with-glasses:
another thing i am doing is not worrying about NPK PK boosts etc , ill be using my cannabis leaves to feed the cannabis veg plants , but because i am going to be missing the pk side of things as the buds are never going to be used in the ferments , ill be replacing the buds with the sugar beets ,Himalayan salt and sea salt mix to compensate the bud loose ,in nature this is how npk works, it does not come in fancy bottles :meatballs:
 
doing great , i am very attached lol :laugh:


been a bit quiet as i am doing a bit of a watering study , i am also studying root growth , and root feeding . :nerd-with-glasses:
another thing i am doing is not worrying about NPK PK boosts etc , ill be using my cannabis leaves to feed the cannabis veg plants , but because i am going to be missing the pk side of things as the buds are never going to be used in the ferments , ill be replacing the buds with the sugar beets ,Himalayan salt and sea salt mix to compensate the bud loose ,in nature this is how npk works, it does not come in fancy bottles :meatballs:
My bottles aren't fancy. Hehe. Its amazing stuff your teaching me. Where were you 4 years ago when I started. I might not have such a big pile of plants behind the shed.
 
Hi Nutty :ciao:

Just dropping by to get caught up - always makes for some great Sunday morning reading :thanks:

I still can't believe you somehow keep track of it all!!!!

In the new place, cabinet is still disassembled...I feel like the cabinet :rofl:

New tent and new light ordered, hopefully gets here soon so I can start putting it together and get a grow started.

Anyhow, stay safe brother! Love your garden as always :Namaste:
 
Hi Nutty :ciao:

Just dropping by to get caught up - always makes for some great Sunday morning reading :thanks:

I still can't believe you somehow keep track of it all!!!!

In the new place, cabinet is still disassembled...I feel like the cabinet :rofl:

New tent and new light ordered, hopefully gets here soon so I can start putting it together and get a grow started.

Anyhow, stay safe brother! Love your garden as always :Namaste:
good to hear from you , happy days , keep me tagged when your growing :high-five:
 
its for starting auto flowers in final pots , i want to guide the tap root to the bottom as soon as i can , the center pots is a very light mix with large perlite , good compost, and some coco

i will water once down the center of the pots keeping the rest surrounding medium dryer , root grows to damp so i just want these first roots to hit the bottom fast ,
once i feel the roots are at the bottom ill bottom water and top water, i might even add a flap , this is to try get both sets of roots growing into the damp medium as autos are do or die get big or stay small plant, in organic soil its hard to get bigger yields lol


it also should slow down the perched water table

in the pics i am using a drip tray , the plant is to get a larger tub like the blue one i had , it cracked , any ways ill be using a very good air pump and oxygenate the water 24 hours before sitting them into the tub to bottom water , them ill top water , i want my nutrients to stay in my pot also , not washed out ( if you understand this ) @Pat Puffer , the pics will help i hope :)

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I should say i am only bottom watering to the damp goes one third up the pots , then top watering the 2 thirds down , be a rough guess , ill go by the wet farbic for bottom though ,
That is brilliant my friend. Your killing with those dam auto's.
 
i have giant strawberry, tomatoes etc starting in there , its a drip tray with those plant labels to let me know what is in each one :cheesygrinsmiley: drill a few holes filled with coco
if you look at the third pic you see beetroots and sunflowers :)
Hey Nutty...in that 4th photo down you've got one fabric pot with 4 little radial dividers in the medium....am I seeing 4 spots for plants or?
 
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