Nivana's Chrystal 11 Weeks Into Veg - Advice Welcome!

ph issues show in many ways. But yeah I think it is phos but I think it is remnants. I think your new growth is looking fine.

Regardless Phos is typically caused by pH. All the stuff you are adding has enough Phos. We need to get that soil lowered down. The water where you are needs to be brought down significantly.
 
And just to be clear...

Diagnosing the symptom in the first step not the answer. The symptom directs you towards what may be the problem. But that thing is you have to root cause the problem.

You see this all the time where a newb has clear Calcium Deficiency and in a plant that is 6 inches tall in fresh soil. There is NOOOOO reason it should be showing that other than the roots can not absorb it.

So I thought you had added the VF11 by now. Lets give them a medium dose of that so like half the strength on the bottle. Remember other than the 1 plant you have very little photosynthesis going on so they don't need much. give that a week to dry out and then do another run at the tea. And for both watering lets get that down to 6.2 ...I am in too many journals...aren't you the one who lives in Washington running off that supper pure cascade run off like me? Our water is very special. I get better than RO water from my tap. 12 ppm...we have a special type of water that is almost too pure.
 
yeah, that's me with the pure water off the cascade run off like you...i love our water!

oh crap...i did give them vf-11, when i flushed them...sorry, i missed telling you about that step...so that would've been on 12/06.

so, since i just gave them a dose of cal mag, silica and suger today, i will let them dry out...usually takes about 5-7 days...should i still give them a half dose of the vf-11?

thank you for hanging in there with me, V! i really appreciate your help.
 
I know I have a real hard time getting that water to look good in the soil. I have a soil meter that works well when it is very wet. If I use 6.5 water and check the soil right after it is still over 7. I have to drive it way low to get it into the good range.

Now next time I will have a good compost that will hopefully make up for it but it still wont matter until the roots get there. A good compost like Subcool compost at the bottom of the pot will take care of almost any problem automatically. But until we get there we have to manage it a bit more manually. I know you started you clones already so we can't get you there next time but if you are growing in soil eventually you will want to try Subcool's program. it is the most famous and trusted soil program out there. There are a ton of soil blends. Subcools has been used for over 20 years by everyone who knows anything...unless you are real smart and have developed your own. But what subcool did is right out of a horticulture handbook. His recipe is for like 100 plants so you have to find a version that is much smaller. I will post a video below that is real quick but explains nothing.

I take my used soil and add some fresh coco and steer manure and then all the rest of that stuff and compost it for the bottom of the pot. with a 10 gallon pot you put this in the bottom 1/3 then a decent blend up top. in a smaller pot put this in the bottom 1/4. the top blend should be like 1/3 perlite, 1/3 steer manure ($2.50 a bag at home depot), 1/6th coco, 1/6 good bag soil like happy farms froggy blend or something nice like that. Since it takes 2-6 months to cook correctly I take soil from males at bloom for the next grow or if I am using clones finished soil from females for the follow up grow unless I am doing a hydro run next.

Good soils like that will self balance as all the bacteria we are trying to add are already there. A good soil like that will need no nutes for most if not the entire grow.



If you look up Subcool on youtube there are a ton of videos about this and or of him, even videos of him and Jorge discussing it.


Done correctly you just add water and wait for it to grow. With out water I would still Down it though :thumb:
 
morning V!

thank you for the subcool dirt recipe! i'll be making that for my next grow.

this morning i went in and whacked some more and took pictures....before i post the pictures i want to bring you up to speed on what i've done so far...

12/06 i did the flush and gave them one more gallon of water ph adjusted to 6.3 and mixed with 8-10 ml of hygrozyme, one ounce of vf-11, and about 1 tablespoon of biovam...
12/17 i whacked them down.
12/21 i gave them the tea.
12/26 i gave them water ph'd to 6.7 or so before leaving town.
12/30 i gave them cal mag, silica, and sugar ph'd to 6.8.
01/02 i whacked them some more...pictures to follow!
 
here is #2, before and after i trimmed it...it's filling in, but slower than #3 and #4...#2 and #5 are the barest...but i don't mind waiting for them...i couldn't take as much off as i wanted...

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I`ve been reading your dilemma and wondering where is your ventilation? These plants have nice thick roots, but something is missing and i think these plants are suffering because they`re not getting enough fresh air. Have you thought about placing a fan inside there?
 
It looks like the new growth is healthy.

It is probably about time for you to start considering if you want to SCROG those out or just bloom them. Not that they are redy yet for bloom...just that if you want to SCROG it is about time to start the plans for how high you want to set this one and maybe start the training soon.

The bushy one is almost too purdy to scrog. Although a little LST wouldn't hurt none.

Lets make sure these dry out all the way before the next watering. lets see signs of lack of water before watering #2 and #5 again. These plants are all on their own schedule now not as a group. We need to treat them as individuals. #2 and #5 should be growing a lot faster by now. There is something wrong there and it may be over watering or lack of light or something. with so few of leaves they will not be able to transpire as much and will be growing vastly slower. They will need much less water and nutes than the bushy plants.

I feel like 3 and 4 are doing exactly what we want and are looking fantastic but 2 and 5 need some help still.
 
Village,
Wouldn`t it be wise to take the two weakest one`s out of the tent so the other two can prosper and grow? I agree, his lighting might be the issue, i`d change the lighting pattern for a few days to see what happens, he`s got nothing to lose. Either way, its a great experiment and i`m sure many are watching this carefully to learn from...
 
Well I have thought for a while that we may dump the two eventually...but the bushy ones are not ready anyway. No need to scrap them until we need to and even then we will get something out of them.

Weed grows real fast when healthy. If we get the 2 back in line then in 1 week we can get them caught up. We can keep trimming back the others until all are equal.

Navigator made it clear early on he doesn't care about time to harvest. He wants to bring back the zombies and get some solid learning here. In his first post out in the forums where we hooked up everyone told him to dump them and continue with his clones. Navigator made it clear he wants to bring back these guys and learn from this. For him it is about the process and learning. I think we still have some learning here because 2 of them are looking exactly like what I wanted to see and 2 are not.

It is his path to wander. I will help him do what he wants.


We need a good 8 inches of new stem growth in the lower branches before we want to flower. Even in the bushy ones we are not there yet. given proper conditions those might be ready in a week. The 2 slower ones will come around eventually. The question is do we hold up the bushy ones to wait for them or do we bud them all when the bushy ones are ready.


I think we still have some work to do to maximize our learning here. I think the problem is we have not been treating these as individuals. I guarantee by now you absolutely have to water them differently.

This is one of the more exciting journals I am in. The ones where everything is great like Closet Cases are also fun...but this is a much bigger challenge. I have sent others here to read through for motivation because if they think they have it hard...well come look at this. If Navigator can do it to these zombies then you can fix anything.


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Well..as far as it being an "experiment"...cannabis is a very robust hearty plant. As long as we are in veg we can fix anything just about. It matters as to if you care to do it or would rather move on. But almost anything is fixable in veg.

Even with serious infection and rot I can pull that through it is just hard. I have brought back the dead from major insect infestation before too.

So some may see this as an experiment. I consider this just another grow that went a bit sideways. And to be honest it is a simple problem of some basic things that were wrong and went undiagnosed for a long time making stretched out plants. Navigator did not have a serious problem here just really tall plants with no branches. So the answer to that is fix the problems and whack em back and start over.


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Sejd2131 said:
I`ve been reading your dilemma and wondering where is your ventilation? These plants have nice thick roots, but something is missing and i think these plants are suffering because they`re not getting enough fresh air. Have you thought about placing a fan inside there?
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hi sejd2131 and thank you for your question and welcome to my journal!

i don't actually ever close the tent while they are in veg. i'm lucky to have a very large and open attic that allows lots of air flow and i have fans running, just not in the tent.
 
Sejd2131 said:
Village,
Wouldn`t it be wise to take the two weakest one`s out of the tent so the other two can prosper and grow? I agree, his lighting might be the issue, i`d change the lighting pattern for a few days to see what happens, he`s got nothing to lose. Either way, its a great experiment and i`m sure many are watching this carefully to learn from...
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another good question...so glad you stopped by!

i am learning a tremendous amount in going through this process...not to mention my confidence is growing! i've been trying to grow a good garden for two years and continuously failing...i would get a couple of ounces, but nothing like what these plants are capable of doing and now i'm learning why...among other things (that i was doing wrong) we live in washington state and our water comes off the glaciers of the cascade mountains and (almost) directly into my tap...it's great to drink but so pure that it causes various problems in the grow room...who knew! so my goal is to bring these guys back as much as possible. if it comes down to it, i'll scrap #2 & #5, but not until then.
 
VilliageIdiot said:
It looks like the new growth is healthy.

It is probably about time for you to start considering if you want to SCROG those out or just bloom them. Not that they are redy yet for bloom...just that if you want to SCROG it is about time to start the plans for how high you want to set this one and maybe start the training soon.

The bushy one is almost too purdy to scrog. Although a little LST wouldn't hurt none.

Lets make sure these dry out all the way before the next watering. lets see signs of lack of water before watering #2 and #5 again. These plants are all on their own schedule now not as a group. We need to treat them as individuals. #2 and #5 should be growing a lot faster by now. There is something wrong there and it may be over watering or lack of light or something. with so few of leaves they will not be able to transpire as much and will be growing vastly slower. They will need much less water and nutes than the bushy plants.

I feel like 3 and 4 are doing exactly what we want and are looking fantastic but 2 and 5 need some help still.
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yes! let's scrog...i've been reading about it, but have never done it.

and i will now treat all these girls as individuals. #4 is already light in the bucket...lol...she'll need water before the other 3 for sure. should i spike it with anything?
 
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