Newbie's First Grow Journal

Hmm.. yup.. you did give me some stuff to think about! Though I may just go HPS on 12/12 since this is my first grow.. I'll google those lights though.. :)

I flushed them all last night and transplanted to the final pot they will call home.. used deep 4.5 gallon pots I got from my local grow shop. I did one more topping (a couple FIM's too!) while I was flushing. I am thinking about another 2 weeks before 12/12.. Right now they are about 20" tall from the top of the soil.

I bought some 4' bamboo sticks and some mylar at the shop yesterday. I'll have to go back today as I ran out of soil when transplanting to the larger pots. So 3 stayed in their 1.5 gallon homes.. The mylar is for my closet which I'm going to convert for the auto-blueberry to veg in and will be CS'd to fem seed. I was thinking about taking some clones but not sure yet as I will have enough head stash from this harvest to tie my over to the next from seed grow.. :)
 
been a min since i popped in bro ladies look spot on! depending on strain they can and will go from 10% to 400% bigger ,little trick i use to cut the stretch a bit is to run GLR superior light schedule (its 12/12 but you have the lights come on for 1 hour during the dark time) for 2 weeks before the flip also if you leave the MH going instead of switching to hps it will greatly reduce the amount of stretch, they stretch because they are looking or the kind of light they are getting in veg after they have started showing flowers go to the hps or just add it to the mh so you have both, there is no uvb from a hps but a little from mh, uvb will increase resin and thc something i recently learned, so im going to add a reptile cfl light to my flower tent very soon! by doing these things i just mentioned i have been able to get a strain i grow to go from 300% to 75-100% stretch so i can grow them bigger and get a bigger harvest.
hope this helps and gives you some ideas to chew on.

DUDE, you gave me a lot to chew on and think about! I'm reppin yo azz for that one!!!
 
Looking good!
Just a heads up...............since I battle mites on a regular basis lol let me give you a tip. Keep the cat OUT of the grow room at all costs. Cats and dogs pick up all kinds of bugs including spider mites. They carry them into the house and then into the grow room. Even if the cat never goes outside it could pick up a spider mite from somewhere else in the house and then onto your plants and then you'll have issues. Just don't want to see anyone go through the crap I have had to ta get rid of the lil bastards.

Alaskan1 you wrote that you "battle mites on a regular basis". I too am fighting the same battle. I got them from a clone (of course) a few years ago; was new to my geographical area to grow as I was originally from a cold climate and grew outdoors and we never even heard of mites. Now in a warm climate, they seem to be Homogeneous. I mean I hear every grower I know are battling with them. They never go away, I can just get a "hold" on them. I spray, as a matter of routine, preventative measures. If I slack off, sure enough, they'll suddenly show up, usually when I move rooted cuttings into the Veg. room and they'll pick one out and wipe it out, literally, overnight. Over the course of the past 3 years, I have been able to develop (quite by accident I'm sure) several strains that seem to be more immune to them, that is, they leave these plants alone. IDK. I have used probably every known form or concoction (chemically), legal and not-so-legal, to eradicate them and have found them all to become immune eventually. I have found my own brew of Habanero Peppers, Garlic, Tobacco, Coffee and a bit of Olive Oil works quite well, is good (in fact) for the plant and they don't get immunity to this formula. I also had great success with Lady Bugs to get the first wave killed off so as to be able to deal with the survivors. Both my Veg. and Flower rooms are areas that simply cannot be sterilized to start over, so I have been forced to live with them. I am a small grower (48 flowering plants) and operate in a separate building of 660 sq. ft.
What measures are you employing to deal with this curse? Have you been able to finally be rid of them, or are you like me and just able to keep them at bay? Any tips/tricks you can pass along? Anything will help. I am just trying to see what a fellow MMJ-er is doing.
 
Alaskan1 you wrote that you "battle mites on a regular basis". I too am fighting the same battle. I got them from a clone (of course) a few years ago; was new to my geographical area to grow as I was originally from a cold climate and grew outdoors and we never even heard of mites. Now in a warm climate, they seem to be Homogeneous. I mean I hear every grower I know are battling with them. They never go away, I can just get a "hold" on them. I spray, as a matter of routine, preventative measures. If I slack off, sure enough, they'll suddenly show up, usually when I move rooted cuttings into the Veg. room and they'll pick one out and wipe it out, literally, overnight. Over the course of the past 3 years, I have been able to develop (quite by accident I'm sure) several strains that seem to be more immune to them, that is, they leave these plants alone. IDK. I have used probably every known form or concoction (chemically), legal and not-so-legal, to eradicate them and have found them all to become immune eventually. I have found my own brew of Habanero Peppers, Garlic, Tobacco, Coffee and a bit of Olive Oil works quite well, is good (in fact) for the plant and they don't get immunity to this formula. I also had great success with Lady Bugs to get the first wave killed off so as to be able to deal with the survivors. Both my Veg. and Flower rooms are areas that simply cannot be sterilized to start over, so I have been forced to live with them. I am a small grower (48 flowering plants) and operate in a separate building of 660 sq. ft.
What measures are you employing to deal with this curse? Have you been able to finally be rid of them, or are you like me and just able to keep them at bay? Any tips/tricks you can pass along? Anything will help. I am just trying to see what a fellow MMJ-er is doing.

I'd be happy to tell you!!!

I think part of my problem IS I have 3 dogs in the house. They go outside. Pick up mites from outside and then come in the house. Once in the house they get passed along from dog to human clothuing and get a free ride into my grow area. This is just my guess at why I'm getting them mind you.

I am starting new grow rooms and they will be sterilzed before any plants go into them. BUT, I do have a new attack plan to lessen my chance of getting mites. Before anyone starts up the stairs shoes have to come off. Second, I bought some thin tyvek suits and those will also have to be worn before anyone starts up the stairs into the grow areas. I'm hoping this lessens the chance of me getting mites in the first place.

How do I battle mites when I do have them?
I have 3 products I use. AzaMax, Liquid Ladybug and Mighty Wash. Since I like you have a good amount of plants I purchased an atomizer sprayer to hit all my plants with. Turns any liquid into a fine mist and I hit my plants with that.
First I use the AzaMax, wait a day Then I hit them with the liquid ladybug and wait a day. Then I hit them with the mighty wash and wait a day and then repeat the whole process again. This way the mites don't get use to any one product.
I also feed my plants AzaMax, I have been using one ounce of AzaMax per 55 gallons. Seems to help fend off the mites and makes the plants a little less tasty. DO NOT use any of these items past the 3rd week of flower.

Hope this helps you!
 
glad to help guys, i have been lucky to only have mites twice once i used the shultz insect spray in the green sprayer made from chrysanthemums it worked, but i mix up neem oil, Tabasco, tobacco,lil olive oil, onion,garlic bring it to a near boil cool strain,mist , and i got one of those ultrasonic sound wave things that bugs hate as well as mice rats etc, have not seen a bug since, but if you have a pet hamster that can hear it you'll make him go insane and commit suicide!!thing is i guess since im a musician i can hear it too,even tho humans are not supposed to, so i run it when im not around lol dont want my head to explode! , yeah its been great to not fear the stretch just leave it on the mh bulb till you see flowers then go hps and see much less of the gangly and bud structure is crazy dense!:thumb:
 
Lookin good there mate!!!
Love seeing plants so healthy, shows you care:) Hope they all give you some nice buds mate.. Take it easy and all the best. SMOKEM..:goodjob:
 
I'd be happy to tell you!!!

I think part of my problem IS I have 3 dogs in the house. They go outside. Pick up mites from outside and then come in the house. Once in the house they get passed along from dog to human clothuing and get a free ride into my grow area. This is just my guess at why I'm getting them mind you.

I am starting new grow rooms and they will be sterilzed before any plants go into them. BUT, I do have a new attack plan to lessen my chance of getting mites. Before anyone starts up the stairs shoes have to come off. Second, I bought some thin tyvek suits and those will also have to be worn before anyone starts up the stairs into the grow areas. I'm hoping this lessens the chance of me getting mites in the first place.

How do I battle mites when I do have them?
I have 3 products I use. AzaMax, Liquid Ladybug and Mighty Wash. Since I like you have a good amount of plants I purchased an atomizer sprayer to hit all my plants with. Turns any liquid into a fine mist and I hit my plants with that.
First I use the AzaMax, wait a day Then I hit them with the liquid ladybug and wait a day. Then I hit them with the mighty wash and wait a day and then repeat the whole process again. This way the mites don't get use to any one product.
I also feed my plants AzaMax, I have been using one ounce of AzaMax per 55 gallons. Seems to help fend off the mites and makes the plants a little less tasty. DO NOT use any of these items past the 3rd week of flower.

Hope this helps you!

Thank you. We are both on similar pages in the same book. I didn't want to elaborate that much to start but here goes with what I currently do. Firstly, no one enters the building where the growing is, period! Especially other growers. I got an Atomizer sprayer too, that was the single best thing I did to combat them. Nothing comes close to these when trying to spray every sq. centimeter of a plant's surfaces. I incorporated a shoe wash system that is a simple flat baking pan with like a 3/4" lip to hold liquid. In this I have a mat made from synthetic steel wool like the green part of a "scrunge" sponge. I use a 25% bleach solution in there and wipe my shoes every time. This saves from having designated shoes. I also have a set of jeans and a shirt I change into before entering. My chemistry is the one I listed before: Habanero Peppers, Garlic, Tobacco, Coffee, Olive Oil, Geranium extract. After having tried everything I could get my hands on, this seems to be the most effective and doesn't have the immunity factors. Besides, it is really cheap, can be used up to harvest and the plants actually like it. I make 5 gallons at a time and I share with several growers I know. They buy the materials, I do the brewing and it ends up costing us approximately $6.00/gallon (me zero). I "atomize every 2 weeks or so but if any appear, I do a regime like yours but use only the one concoction. I also add "goGnats" into my reservoirs (55 gallon). This stuff looks like fat floating on the surface but eventually gets dissolved. I even have a mixing wand I made from a paint mixer with the shaft extended so I can reach the bottom of the barrel and be able to thoroughly mix. I am on a "preventative" schedule. No mites or traces of them at all, then all of a sudden, Wham! They're back...
I believe the eggs lie dormant until something triggers their awakening. I don't know how else to describe it. Recently I got about 12-15 cuttings of some unknown but killer strain a grower acquaintance I know had. He is an outdoor guy and his bushes were quite overgrown. Deal was to help thin out the plants and I could get all the cuttings I wanted. I wouldn't normally have anything to do with this but I have tasted this strain and I know its' greatness and I wanted some especially for 1/2 hour's work. I do know better and had them quarantined in another location while the cuttings rooted. They were already into flowering so it took about 25 days to root. Anyway, this should be sufficient time for any mites to rear their ugly heads. I thought that I was safe and besides, I checked them out thoroughly. Well, I wasn't thorough enough because about 3 days after bringing them into my nursery, I came in and one cutting was completely wilted over...dead. Upon close inspection, the familiar web was covering that poor babies top. Sure as $hit I had freeking mites! The others had the familiar spots; just a matter of time. They are also in with my Veg'd ladies that are about 1 week from taking them into the flower area, so I freaked out, atomized the $hit out of the entire room and said a silent prayer. They are gone (no signs) but not forgotten. All my fears came up again, reliving those earlier days when I was first infested. I just can't stand it. I have way too much invested in my grow situation. Forget the money (not really) but all the time already spent on what I have going. I keep a perpetual system where I take cuttings from the Veg'ing cuttings so that I don't need to keep mothers and can propagate a strain for years, typically 2 to 3 or when I get totally sick of that strain. Hasn't happened yet because I typically have 5-6 strains going at any given time.
I guess I was just so freaked out upon seeing these little bastards after having not seen them in many months. Your post about how you are battling them all the time took me there as misery loves company, and I am battling them now, all the time. I truly believe that even if one did everything humanly possible to beat them, we'd loose eventually. I think they are Homogeneous to the air....
I guess I hoped that you had stumbled upon some fantastic, miraculous cure, but alas, we're like on a similar page in the same book...
 
the hatching of mite eggs soley depends on tempature. In temps at 90 I think they hatch in 3 days. in temps near 70 to 75 it's one week. at temps below 70 takes longer. This is what i understand it to be

Anytime I get a plant from someone outside my grow I always blast them for a week with azaMax, just to be safe. EVEN if i don't see anything. rather be safe then sorry. there is only one grower I get plants from whom i know never has any mites.
 
Man! I guess I'm lucky so far that I haven't gotten mites on my plants! I do check them from time to time.. I do have spiders though and I have seen the occasional leaf with a chunk eaten out of it.. Anything to be concerned about?

When I was transplanting the other day, I noticed Zombie had an interesting stem.. If you have kept up with the start of this journal, I mentioned how I killed all my seeds while germinating at first. They were Jack Herer and Skywalker.. 2 Jacks survived and 1 Skywalker stayed as a sprout for 4 weeks not growing at all.. Thought it was dead till I gave it some liquid karma and bingo, started to grow.. Checkout her stem! I didn't do any toppings to her.. :)

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Here is a picture of the Auto Blueberry's progress which I intend to CS her for seeds only using bigirishdoode's tutorial..
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And my other kids this morning..
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I'm thinking it might be time to flip to 12/12.. Trying to calculate height in my head.. The pots are 12" tall and each plant is about 24" tall now.. So thats 3', if the plants double in size that makes 5', 12" for light from the ceiling makes 6'. I have an 8' ceiling so that gives me 2' of space up top in case they stretch a bit more.. thoughts?
 
I'm thinking it might be time to flip to 12/12.. Trying to calculate height in my head.. The pots are 12" tall and each plant is about 24" tall now.. So thats 3', if the plants double in size that makes 5', 12" for light from the ceiling makes 6'. I have an 8' ceiling so that gives me 2' of space up top in case they stretch a bit more.. thoughts?
Flip away! If they startto get too far outta hand with stretch you can always add some bushmasters as a foliar feed to slow the stretch down.
 
I am thinking this weekend to do the flip.. My Jack Herer was feeling ill from a lack of Cal/Mag so I stopped at the grow shop and picked up some BionicalCare Cal-Mag.. Took all the kids out of the tent, groomed them all, feed them and rearranged all back in the tent in new positions. Don't want them fighting over the good spots, let them each have a turn.. :) While the tent was empty, did some clean up.. I don't see any more spiders in there and no more chunks eaten out of the leaves..

I also bought a couple of those CO2 bag's and put them in on top of the lights. Not enough heat from the lights to melt the plastic as air is moving through them and around them.. Anyone use these before?

Room temp is a steady 79F and 60% RH.. When I go 12/12 will set the dehumidifier to about 35% RH.
 
WTF!? My G13 Labs Auto Blueberry which I had planned to CS for seeds seems to be flowering already!? What do you think? Since its my first grow, I'm not 100% sure.. It is only about 12" tall and has been in with my other plants under the 600w MH's on 18/6.

I did top it about 5 days ago, think that might have put her into flower early?

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WTF!? My G13 Labs Auto Blueberry which I had planned to CS for seeds seems to be flowering already!? What do you think? Since its my first grow, I'm not 100% sure.. It is only about 12" tall and has been in with my other plants under the 600w MH's on 18/6.

I did top it about 5 days ago, think that might have put her into flower early?

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You stated it in your post "AUTO..." Read up about Auto flowering strains; that's what they do, they flower automatically due to their age (strain dependent) and you have no control as to when they'll flower. Topping them didn't push them into flower, age did. Prey that they recover from the topping during the transition, they most probably will. Some like auto's, some don't. One can always put a regular plant into flower by lengthening the dark period (>12 hours), so few, that I know, favor this type. You'll be fine...
 
Its only 4 weeks old (possible only 3!).. I guess its too late to CS it then? :(

Here is an update to the rest of my crew.. I haven't gone 12/12 yet.. Been considering BID's theory on letting then veg a bit bigger and then continue the MH's 2 weeks into flower to trim down the stretch.. They are all about 24" now..

So far, only the Jack Herer's needed extra's.. Started feeding then some Cal-Mag @ 1 tsp per gallon of 6.3 PH water. A couple the the White Russian could use some but only have 1 fan leaf each that is showing signs. The Skywalker is just happy and health with whatever she gets (she's a good girl!)..

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my cream caramel is 5 weeks and covered in flowers, mi5 shows sex at the 4th node 15 days after germ! autos are great for a quick headstash 8 weeks from seed to harvest is standard i love em personally , for cs just spray the lower half, harvest the top half when its ready, let the bottom half self pollinate, stop cs spray as soon as you see nanners, i did it on my cc and got some seeds lots of seeds, the ones that are selfed are in my veg tent now the 5week ones, they are exactly like their mom, the cream caramel is my favorite auto hands down a beast of a plant in the fast dept, and one of the best knockout bedtime smokes i have ever tried, smells like fruity pebbles and latte' i got over 1/2 z from one little plant not counting the lower part i used for seed:thumb::circle-of-love:cca
 
Well.. I flipped to 12/12 and will keep the MH on for 2 weeks to help control stretch per BID's suggestion then put in the HPS bulbs.. I also start CS'ing my Auto Blueberry on the lower branches.. Hope its not too late! I didn't see any bud growth there so will see if pollen sacks begin to grow.

For the last feeding, I took each one out, groomed them and took some clones which are under the dome right now with a heating mat under it. This is my first attempt at cloning so hopefully all goes well. I was on the fence about doing clones as I grow for head stash and I think the 11 plants I have growing already will keep me buzzed for quite some time!
 
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