Newbie Grower, Carmen Auto x Diva, Outdoors

Azimuth said:
No idea. I've never even seen a recipe for his soil so don't know what the input costs would be, and my Geoflora remains unopened so don't know how many grows you could get.
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I think it should be ok to share these links. (And if not, I am sure that the nice moderators will let us know.)
Subcool's Super Soil Step-by-Step | High Times

Subcool purchase package with ingredients list for 100 gallons.

Azimuth said:
No, no doubling up on anything. If anything you go light your first time with a new nute.
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Oops! Too late! It was my last chance to water, and then when I came downstairs, your response was here.

Azimuth said:
I don't know, you have a ton of root tips in that cup and that's how they feed so I would imagine once you give them some food that they'll take off.
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Great! I hope so.
I hope it was just that they did not respond to the last feeding because of no CalMag.
Now that they have CalMag and proper fertilizer, I hope they will grow.
If not, then the next suspect is possible partial stunting.

Azimuth said:
No idea. Never grown autos.
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I was astonished that Em grew an auto!
But it makes sense, that she can plug into any open rotation space.
And it is great for me, because now I get to follow her technique!
I don't have the exact same nutes, and my grow space is very different, but at least I can try to adapt things as well as I can.
You are both a huge help.
 
Status update:
I don't know, but when I looked at the Sweet Nurse Autos, it seems like they grew a little bit!
I am not sure if it is my eyes playing tricks on me, but it looks like they grew a little.
And they are holding their arms up in praise much better.
Hopefully we will see more color come back?
They sure smell better! I could smell that wonderful flowering smell this morning (kind of like cheese).

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So, it is too early to tell, but they sure seem happier today.

Only, I was counting on pinning them over for a little LST.
Would I get long coat hanger wires, and cut some long lengths?
And then run it down the side of the pot?
And then hopefully she will retain her shape during the up-potting, and I can re-set the wire in the larger pot?

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Maybe I might get a crop after all?

On the Kong Super Glue Auto front, the remaining three seeds all cracked.
The one on the upper right seems ready to go, so I planted her with her head at about 1/2" down..
The one on the upper left, I would have liked to see a little more commitment with a little longer stem, but methinks she is committed, so I buried her also, at the same depth (1/2" down).
Then I slow-sprayed with the sprayer, taking very long pauses between strokes (maybe a minute between strokes at first, and then later thirty second). At about 15-20 strokes, some early runoff came out the bottom. So I will continue to keep the top moist until I see her little coties.
The one on the bottom left looks good, maybe I will get 4 out of 4? Hahaha.
If I can do this with the freebies, then I can go back to the spendy seeds?
I chose this one because my assistant cannot feel the 1:1 (maybe because it is too balanced?). So she does not want to take it, because she does not feel it is doing anything.
So I thought a little recreational THC should at least help her notice, so she can learn how to get properly stoned, hahaha.
I am pretty confident that the fourth little girl is going to fire, I just want to see her commit herself before I bury her, so she does not pull her little leg back in. Because I have seen them do that. But once it is out 1/4", I think she is pretty well committed.

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Seed #4 is clearly cracked open, but she looks the same as before. She does not seem to be "going for it".
I will put her back for another day.

But, do you have any tips on how to get her to put forth a tail?
(Or, leave her be, and get a different seed?)

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As soon as I see it crack I plant it. I want the emerging root to be in contact with soil and microbes as soon as possible.
 
Planting now.
 
Well, so far we are at 50%.
#1 and #2 are up and look good, but I have not seen #3 and #4 yet.
I can wait a few more days.

#3 was the stub-tailed girl in the upper left picture, and #4 was the seed that was just barely cracked.
 
Also, could I please ask for your opinion?
I was thinking about how to increase yields, and I thought about lights.
It gets cloudy here a lot, but electricity is cheap.
I was told there is a local outdoor grow near here that runs lights 24/7 during veg.
So, I wondered if it would help to hang some lights above the plants and extend their day a lot.
Since the locals hang lights over cannabis, people should find it normal.
 
I grow outdoor(s), but almost always start my outdoor plants indoors underneath lights.
This plant was just transplanted yesterday was relocated outside about three weeks ago.
She was started underneath a 92 watt LED and vegged for several months underneath a 300 watt LED.

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Hope that helps out.
 
Farmer Reading said:
I grow outdoor(s), but almost always start my outdoor plants indoors underneath lights.
This plant was just transplanted yesterday was relocated outside about three weeks ago.
She was started underneath a 92 watt LED and vegged for several months underneath a 300 watt LED.

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Hope that helps out.
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Yeah, thanks.
That is interesting that you grow outdoors, exposed. How do you protect the buds from rain and such (i.e., how do you prevent mildew, mold, etc.)?
Or do you just not worry about it?
 
el gringuito said:
Yeah, thanks.
That is interesting that you grow outdoors, exposed. How do you protect the buds from rain and such (i.e., how do you prevent mildew, mold, etc.)?
Or do you just not worry about it?
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It can be really tough to fight against the elements.
Last season I pretty much lost half of my harvest.
Plus my cure was sub par due to scrambling to harvest ALL my plants at once.
(note the buds are pretty clean and solid smoke)

During late flower right when the girls are really starting to pack on the pounds the weather turned to dog shit.
We had four days of rain with low temps and high humidity. It was a slaughter!!!

Pretty much a 100 percent loss with this girl.

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Typically I'll apply an exterior treatment for Powdery Mildew and bud rot.
Additionally, I'll exfoliate to allow proper airflow.
If the plants are in great health they will be more resistant.

Where I went wrong last season:

Planted my girls way close together.
Failed to apply aggressive treatment for PM and Bud Rot in early flower.
Tried to grow multiple pound plants, I find bigger the plants the bigger the problems.
Failed to account for PM resistant strains.

Outdoor growing can be challenging, but getting a pound of solid bud off of one or two plants is pretty cool.
As far as quality my outdoor usually is on par with second to third shelf dispensary, but cleaner tasting.

This is a girl planted three weeks ago :( .
Who the Hell knows what killed her, lol.

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Farmer Reading said:
This is a girl planted three weeks ago :( .
Who the Hell knows what killed her, lol.

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Sorry to hear about your recent loss!!
It looks like she was doing good for a little while.
What is your reasoning for the rocks piled up at the base? (Slow-release nutrients? Haha, who needs volcano dust?)
 
el gringuito said:
Also, could I please ask for your opinion?
I was thinking about how to increase yields, and I thought about lights.
It gets cloudy here a lot, but electricity is cheap.
I was told there is a local outdoor grow near here that runs lights 24/7 during veg.
So, I wondered if it would help to hang some lights above the plants and extend their day a lot.
Since the locals hang lights over cannabis, people should find it normal.
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Your plants can take up a fixed amount of light during their "day" and once you get beyond that any light is essentially wasted. This concept is called the DLI, or Day Light Integral.
  • Daily Light Integral (DLI) is the amount of photons (light particles) received by a particular area (1m 2) in one day. DLI greatly affects plant growth and development. In order for photosynthesis to occur the plant must be exposed to 400 - 700 nanometers (nm) of light.
However, if you have not reached the maximum DLI for your plant, supplying it with extra light will allow it to get closer to its max and therefore generate more growth. This is especially true for autos since the clock is ticking and every shortened day is lost photons your plants could have used to bulk up. With a photo plant you could simply extend its veg period indoors to get it those extra photons, but not with an auto.

But the strength of the light is also important since just hanging a low watt bulb above them will not produce enough light energy for them to power them significantly. This is different from simply trying to keep a photoperiod plant in veg when nights are too long. In this case, a low watt light will do the trick. Still won't help you get much growth but in that instance you're really just trying to keep it from flipping into flower mode.

I'm a believer in the concept that plants can benefit from a rest period and so my veg lighting is 18/6, but I know plenty of growers try to maximize everything including their lights. But it is probably best to have everything else pretty well dialed in before trying to push your plants too hard with this one aspect, and that includes medium, nutrients, watering habits, etc.
 
Azimuth said:
Your plants can take up a fixed amount of light during their "day" and once you get beyond that any light is essentially wasted. This concept is called the DLI, or Day Light Integral.
  • Daily Light Integral (DLI) is the amount of photons (light particles) received by a particular area (1m 2) in one day. DLI greatly affects plant growth and development. In order for photosynthesis to occur the plant must be exposed to 400 - 700 nanometers (nm) of light.
However, if you have not reached the maximum DLI for your plant, supplying it with extra light will allow it to get closer to its max and therefore generate more growth. This is especially true for autos since the clock is ticking and every shortened day is lost photons your plants could have used to bulk up. With a photo plant you could simply extend its veg period indoors to get it those extra photons, but not with an auto.

But the strength of the light is also important since just hanging a low watt bulb above them will not produce enough light energy for them to power them significantly. This is different from simply trying to keep a photoperiod plant in veg when nights are too long. In this case, a low watt light will do the trick. Still won't help you get much growth but in that instance you're really just trying to keep it from flipping into flower mode.

I'm a believer in the concept that plants can benefit from a rest period and so my veg lighting is 18/6, but I know plenty of growers try to maximize everything including their lights. But it is probably best to have everything else pretty well dialed in before trying to push your plants too hard with this one aspect, and that includes medium, nutrients, watering habits, etc.
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Ok, thanks.
I think I understand what you are saying.
If plants get too much light, they burn.

I also want them to get a rest.
In general, I want to try to simulate as close to an outdoor grow as I can, and in as "ideal of outdoor" conditions as I can. Only, in the Arctic, they do get really long days (24/0 north of the Arctic circle in summer).

But, what if I set the lights to come on at 5AM, and to switch off at, say, 11 PM?
The girls will still have to deal with the security lights (and you can read at night by the security lights), but that should give them something closer to Arctic Circle conditions, hours-wise?
And that way, I can increase my photon-receiving-time by maybe a third???
(I would think a 33%+ increase in the harvest could be worth hanging a couple of lamps???)

I have some 1200W lamps I bought off the internet that are supposed to be full spectrum.
I could hang them pretty easy, and put them on a timer to come on at 5AM, and shut off at 7 AM, and then come back on at 6PM, and run through 11 PM.
I am sure the color temperatures won't match the sun exactly, but it would seem like a cheap way to increase the yields.
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Oh, also, I have been looking into availability on the supplements Em uses.
I went ahead and sprung for some GeoFlora Veg and Bloom, and also some DynoMyco, because those are powdered, and I can reship them for not too much.
I wanted to get Massive and Terpinator also, but they are liquid, and it costs an arm and a leg to ship, so I was wondering what other things I can do.
There are a lot of factors in play as far as my housing situation at the moment which are beyond my control, so I want to focus on what is in front of me right now, which at the moment is learning how to maximize my greenhouse container plant growing.
Greenhouses are easy. Just leave plenty of gap space, to make sure you get proper air and moisture exchange. (Add fans, if you need to). But it is pretty simple.

But I was very intrigued when you and @Emilya were talking about the Jadam banana-plus-wc and the straight banana teas. (And they have 12 days to go!!)
I got more plastic and hope to finish up the greenhouse today, so it will stay warmer at night.
I will have to re-arrange the space, but I can hang lights without too much difficulty.
I got the air bubbler and the molasses, but only used them once.
I put the 1" (yikes!) of wc on the existing 5Gs.
I will start using BioNova Bloom on them now.
I think if I get more wire coat hangers, I can bend the little Solo Cup girls on their sides, and pin them, and then reset the pins whenever it is time to uppot, so I can get some good LST.
The Delicious Candy in the 5G is starting to take off with quite a few colas, so I am very encouraged!
If I can improve both the growspace and my technique, I think I might be able to make a go of it.
Many thanks to you and Em!

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Her color looks a lot better, and she is starting to send up multiple colas, which makes me very happy.
I want to give her a sip around the rim today.
The pot is getting lighter, but still not light enough.
I like the fabric pots because I can feel the level of moisture at the bottom of the pot.
But she has a little bit of clawing, and I am not sure why. (Maybe some excess nitrogen in the wc? Or maybe it was the 1.5x strength fertilizing with a brand new fertilizer? Maybe I forgot to tell her that she looks amazing and she is having an emotional crisis? Haha. No idea, really. But I will tell her.)

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To me, I imagine a human cringe when you eat something spicy that is way too strong. It just takes you a little while to get over it (and maybe a sip of water), but eventually you get used to it?
Or is it more like the cringe that comes with a tummyache from something you ate, and it takes a lot longer to clear it?
Or what causes her to cringe like that?
 
el gringuito said:
I wanted to get Massive and Terpinator also, but they are liquid, and it costs an arm and a leg to ship, so I was wondering what other things I can do.
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see if you can source some GLN Sweet Candy. This is what I was using before Massive, and it seems to be very similar in content. Also, the SC comes in powder form and is comparatively inexpensive. The banana ferment will take care of providing even more extra K to the system, and should work well to fill in any gaps. That being said, it looks like you can also fill that feeding gap at the end of the 2 week applications simply by feeding a little early. As they say, there are many ways to skin a cat.
 
Emilya said:
see if you can source some GLN Sweet Candy. This is what I was using before Massive, and it seems to be very similar in content. Also, the SC comes in powder form and is comparatively inexpensive. The banana ferment will take care of providing even more extra K to the system, and should work well to fill in any gaps. That being said, it looks like you can also fill that feeding gap at the end of the 2 week applications simply by feeding a little early. As they say, there are many ways to skin a cat.
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Will do!
Thank you!
"And look out, kitty!" haha.)
 
Hmm...
I rearranged the greenhouse, and then hung a test lamp.
To get the light anywhere near as strong as the sun, you have to get it down real close to the plant--and then it blocks out the sun for several hours.
You could hang and unhang twice a day, but that seems like way too much work.
I think I will just keep working on the other factors, and save the lamps in case I need to make an indoor grow someday.

I went on a rescue mission for the last two Kong Super Glues (#3 and #4).
They looked much like they did when they went in.
I have them resoaking, but I don't see much point.

This is #4 (the one that just cracked).

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And this is the one that had the tiny tail. (Sorry, it is kind of out of focus. I was trying to cup my hand so it would show the rootlet better.)

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Is a re-soak worthwhile?
Or should I break out a new pair of seeds?
 
Oh,
Emilya said:
see if you can source some GLN Sweet Candy. This is what I was using before Massive, and it seems to be very similar in content. Also, the SC comes in powder form and is comparatively inexpensive. The banana ferment will take care of providing even more extra K to the system, and should work well to fill in any gaps. That being said, it looks like you can also fill that feeding gap at the end of the 2 week applications simply by feeding a little early. As they say, there are many ways to skin a cat.
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Ok, cool I found GLN Sweet Candy powder on Amazon.
It looks shippable.
Thank you.
 
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