Newbie Grower, Carmen Auto x Diva, Outdoors

[Emilya Green]

Ahhhh.......
Em to the rescue, again!



Ok, good idea.
It was a good bit of doing (and more waste than I like), but I cut the bottom 1/4" off of the overcups.
Only, then they kept falling down and obscuring the holes, so I had to put a couple of "friction-strips" on the insides of the cups, so that the friction could hold them up.

And, wow!! What a work of art!! (Picasso would be proud? Haha.)

I guess all I can say is that I will try to keep using them as long as I can.



Oh, good! Thanks for that.



Thank you.

next time, just use opaque cups. You really don't gain much by seeing the outside of your rootball through the clear cup. You really can tell more about the roots just by knowing how to use the wet/dry cycle.
trivia:
Do you know which is the most opaque solo cup? red, blue, or green? If you could get them, what would best keep out light, a black or a white cup?

 

[CBDMed]

next time, just use opaque cups. You really don't gain much by seeing the outside of your rootball through the clear cup. You really can tell more about the roots just by knowing how to use the wet/dry cycle.

Well, logistics in Colombia is interesting. I have had colored Solo cups on order for two weeks. We hope to get them soon. (But alas, it was not soon enough....)
Probably I will get them this week, haha (oy).

trivia:
Do you know which is the most opaque solo cup? red, blue, or green?

Haha, no idea. Which one?

If you could get them, what would best keep out light, a black or a white cup?

Ooohhhh, is this a trick question?
I would have to guess black.
But perhaps you will say white, because it reflects more of the light?
(But then, black would keep the little rootlets warmer...)

Which ones?

 

[Emilya Green]

I would think green would be the darkest of the solo cups and yes, white would reflect the most. Note that a genuine solo cup is colored on the outside and white on the inside.

 

[CBDMed]

I would think green would be the darkest of the solo cups

That makes sense.

and yes, white would reflect the most. Note that a genuine solo cup is colored on the outside and white on the inside.

Yes, I wanted colored Solo cups, but like I say, the supply chain is a bit difficult here. All we could find were clear.
We had to order the colored Solo cups.
When the arrive, I hope they are the exact same size as the clear cups (so I can use them together).

I hate to make plastic waste, but it was very interesting to see the roots in 2/3rds of the Solo cup, but not the other 1/3.
That helped me to understand what you talking about, about there being pockets of water.
(No roots = no drainage)
(And that really drives home your point about how problematic it is to start with a big container, because you can still have a great big pocket of water, and not really know it, or know when to water.)
So thank you very much for that.

I like this new rule about starting small, and then only up-potting when necessary.
I think I might try to see how small a container I can get them to finish up in (just as an experiment).
I wonder if I can get them to finish up in the 1 gallons?

Thank you very much for helping me look at the cannabis plant in a totally new way.
This plant is very different than I thought.
I am learning a lot!

 

[Azimuth]

next time, just use opaque cups. You really don't gain much by seeing the outside of your rootball through the clear cup. You really can tell more about the roots just by knowing how to use the wet/dry cycle.

I'm going to disagree with you on that one. Maybe after you've mastered the process you won't gain much, but I still use the cup in a cup to help me learn what's happening down below.

My grow space is pretty small, but I uppot from the 9oz cups to 1L clear takeout containers and slide those into 1L opaque yogurt containers to veg for a while before uppotting into the final flowering pots. And I still like looking at the roots on each plant every day.

I've had similar top growth but wildly different root structures that call my attention to the weaker ones and I redouble my efforts to practice good wet/dry cycles until they turn around.

But over time you do learn the relationship between what you see and the weight of the pot. Using the two together accelerated my learning curve to be sure.

 

[CBDMed]

I would say they are definitely hungry. If you just watered them today I'd probably give them a bit more with some food in it. If you'd rather not do that you could consider a foliar spray to give them nutrients without wetting the soil.

Hi @Azimuth.
If I fed them a little, but they still look hungry, how would I do a foliar spray?

And next time, I assume I increase the concentration of the feeding for those seven plants?

I appreciate your advice very much.I

 

[Azimuth]

You can mix up some nutrients with water in a spray bottle and mist them top and bottom of the leaves and stems (only leaves and stems though, if your soil is already too wet). This can double as an IPM approach as well. I've done Aloe, my Fish Amino Acid, and many of the various ferments I do.

Go very diluted to start and see how they react. Generally you'd dilute by more than half of what you'd apply to the soil for starters. You can do it every day if you want, or even multiple times per day. Just be sure to watch for leaf burning which will tell you you're doing a bit too much.

It's a pretty fast response time as well unlike feeding nutes through the microbes in the soil so this can be a fast response tactic.

Add a few drops of soap to add a bit of insect killing power to the mix.

 

[CBDMed]

Thanks. That is a great idea about IPM.
I just put it on. I will see how it goes.

May I ask for your advice on the Delicious Candy?
The tips at the tip of the plant are curling upward in a funny way.
Do you know what that might represent?
Thanks.

 

[Azimuth]

Good question. Is that the only place on the plant? Anything different with the environment? Any nutrient changes?

 

[CBDMed]

Yes, thankfully, that is the only place on the plant I can see that curls upward like that.
I only noticed it today, so I am kind of at a loss.
The last nutrients I gave her were at the last runoff feeding about a week and a half ago (but I don't think that is it).
I fed her the same Chilean organic rooting formula I fed the rest of them.

 

[Azimuth]

Thanks. That is a great idea about IPM.
I just put it on. I will see how it goes.

May I ask for your advice on the Delicious Candy?
The tips at the tip of the plant are curling upward in a funny way.
Do you know what that might represent?
Thanks.

Seems like it doesn't like something with those tips curling up like that. Maybe Emilya will weigh in.

@bluter @FelipeBlu @InTheShed @Stunger @Rexer @Bill284 @Jon

Any of you guys have ideas?

 

[bluter]

Yes, thankfully, that is the only place on the plant I can see that curls upward like that.
I only noticed it today, so I am kind of at a loss.

how warm is it there ? could be heat curl.

 

[Rexer]

how warm is it there ? could be heat curl.

That was my first thoughts as well. Though I've never it curl like that...

 

[CBDMed]

how warm is it there ? could be heat curl.

Thanks, Bluter.
Good question.
It is still technically winter, so today hit maybe a whopping 73 down here in the valley, and it was overcast most of the day. (To me it seemed kind of a cool day. I closed my windows early.)
There are no doors on the greenhouse (just a rain cover, basically).
How hot does it have to be for heat curl?

 

[CBDMed]

That was my first thoughts as well. Though I've never it curl like that...

Hi Rexer.
Just to clarify, I don't think it gets any hotter then the ambient temperature inside of the hoop tunnel.

 

[Rexer]

Hi Rexer.
Just to clarify, I don't think it gets any hotter then the ambient temperature inside of the hoop tunnel.

I'm the last person who should give soil advice

But I'd suspect over watering, or root rot? The other growers will chime in, and give you better advice (than me)

Just sit tight till it gets sorted, and have patience.

Trying to rush a fix, before being sure it's the correct fix/solution, can just make things worse

 

[Azimuth]

He's been working on his watering technique. But he says this is the only plant, and even part of the one plant, with the issue.

 

[Phytoplankton]

I agree with @Rexer, I’d sit back and watch it for a few days before trying to fix something that may or may not be broken. I see a bunch of pistils mixed in with the leaves, so it could just be transitioning to flower, or it may be reacting to an earlier nute feeding. Give it a couple days and see if it continues or works itself out.

 

[CBDMed]

I'm the last person who should give soil advice

But I'd suspect over watering, or root rot? The other growers will chime in, and give you better advice (than me)

Just sit tight till it gets sorted, and have patience.

Trying to rush a fix, before being sure it's the correct fix/solution, can just make things worse

Hi @Rexer .
Sorry, it is kind of a saga in this thread.
At first I could not find organic cannabis potting soil, and so the locals advised me to use the local volcanic clay. I opened it up some, but not nearly enough--and then I was overwatering, to boot.

@Azimuth helped me to make a better homemade soil after that, and then wouldn't you know I found organic boutique cannabis potting soil a day or two later.

The plant in question is in the new organic boutique cannabis potting soil.

It was a mistake to plant the seed directly in a 5G.
@Emilya has been helping me learn how to water and to up-pot, and so I am starting everything in Solo cups now, and I hope things will start to go better.
But that particular 5G was last watered to runoff on May 5th (12 days ago).
I picked up the pot today, and it felt "surprisingly light", so I am watching it for the first signs of wilt, so I can water it to runoff again.
So if anything, she is on the drier side...

 

[CBDMed]

I agree with @Rexer, I’d sit back and watch it for a few days before trying to fix something that may or may not be broken. I see a bunch of pistils mixed in with the leaves, so it could just be transitioning to flower, or it may be reacting to an earlier nute feeding. Give it a couple days and see if it continues or works itself out.

Ok, thanks, @Phytoplankton.
Right now it is Day 12 since last runoff (with fertilizer), and the pot was surprisingly light when I went to pick it up today, so I am monitoring it for the first signs of water wilt, so I can water it to runoff again.
I will continue to watch it.
Yes, a lot of the girls are starting to transition to flower.