Newbie Grower, Carmen Auto x Diva, Outdoors

Uff. I went to check the little plantas, and something has been eating into the leaves.
Is this what they call "leaf miners"?
And is neem oil and natural soap a good preventative?

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I have not been applying the "natural" soap and neem recently, because I did not see any pests until now.
I just applied a double-dose.
Will that work as a preventative?
And what would work as a curative, if cutting off the affected sections does not work?

Also, there is a tiny white fly that I see sometimes. Is that what they call "white flies"?
And should the "natural" soap and need also prevent them?
I think they usually hang out on the undersides of the leaves.

I am throwing all of the affected leaf sections away.
 
I also bought a spray bottle of this, with these components, if that would be better.

COMPONENTS
Eucalyptus ………………………………………………………………………… 9.9%
Foliated pine ………………………………………………………… 7.5%
Garlic ………………………………………………………………………………….. 9.8%
Cormin (Cumin?) ………………………………………………………………… 7.7%
Cinnamon ……………………………………………………………………………. 4.5%
Citronella ………………………………………………………………………… 05.00%
Spearmint ……………………………………………………………………………………….. 7.9%
Nettle ……………………………………………………………………………… 8.8%
Marine algae ……………………………………………………………… 9.9%
Ethyl alcohol ……………………………………………………………… 7.5%
Potassium soap ……………………………………………………………. 9.8%
Neem ………………………………………………………………………………. 8.5%
Potassium salts of fatty acids …………………………. 51%
Conditioners ………………………………………………………. 7.9%
Soluble liquid ……………………………………………………………. 100%

Thanks for any advice.
 
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Yes, those look like leaf miners.

Unfortunately, a fly lays an egg that produces a larva that then tunnels in between the leaf surfaces so they are protected from sprays and such. I would think a systemic would be the best option short of some way to keep the flys from laying their eggs.

Maybe the @Sierra Natural Science product would work this way?
 
Sierra Natural Science said:
Sorry that happened! Huge bummer. But we can help with disease issues. Try our organic disease control. OMRI Listed SNS DC Disease & Fungal Control Ready to Use

DC doesn’t use harmful chemicals. Instead, it's formulated with powerful organic botanicals derived from citrus fruits to fight off disease, so it’s non-toxic and safe for use indoors and outdoors.
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Hi SNS.
How can I get your product in Colombia?
I went to Amazon.com, and they do not sell it.
Do you ship to Colombia?
Thanks.
 
el gringuito said:
Hi SNS.
How can I get your product in Colombia?
I went to Amazon.com, and they do not sell it.
Do you ship to Colombia?
Thanks.
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US only. they claim to be organic but it isn't safe enough to go over a border for some reason
 
bluter said:
US only. they claim to be organic but it isn't safe enough to go over a border for some reason
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Ok, bummer. It is nice to support the sponsors (as they help keep Em around, and keep the forum going).
But if they don't ship, it makes it hard.

Ahh, well. I found Spinosad in the same boutique store in Bogotá, but I read up a little, and they recommend neem oil and soap as a preventative. I was using neem-and-soap before, and did not have any problems. So maybe just check the plants well, and go back to spraying top and bottom with neem-and-soap?
 
el gringuito said:
Ok, bummer. It is nice to support the sponsors (as they help keep Em around, and keep the forum going).
But if they don't ship, it makes it hard.

Ahh, well. I found Spinosad in the same boutique store in Bogotá, but I read up a little, and they recommend neem oil and soap as a preventative. I was using neem-and-soap before, and did not have any problems. So maybe just check the plants well, and go back to spraying top and bottom with neem-and-soap?
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spinosad is considered suspicious / possibly toxic here. there's a number sponsors products we can't get in canada i'd like to try. it makes no sense with organic based products in particular.
 
bluter said:
spinosad is considered suspicious / possibly toxic here. there's a number sponsors products we can't get in canada i'd like to try. it makes no sense with organic based products in particular.
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Yeah, I think I am going to start with neem oil and natural soap. Because I did not have a problem with the last crop (so go back to what works?)
 
el gringuito said:
Yeah, I think I am going to start with neem oil and natural soap. Because I did not have a problem with the last crop (so go back to what works?)
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yeah go with a neem product if you have access. you can even use it as an inoculant if you are in a soil type media. just water it in. use it on the water side of an f / f / f / w schedule or use as diluted spray or both

however you apply it keep it to veg. it may may flavour the bud awful otherwise.

in canada we can't get neem as a pesticide, but can order it as a hair supplement in pure form. you may have to do the same. it's super simple to dilute and use.
 
bluter said:
yeah go with a neem product if you have access. you can even use it as an inoculant if you are in a soil type media. just water it in. use it on the water side of an f / f / f / w schedule or use as diluted spray or both

however you apply it keep it to veg. it may may flavour the bud awful otherwise.

in canada we can't get neem as a pesticide, but can order it as a hair supplement in pure form. you may have to do the same. it's super simple to dilute and use.
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Ok, thanks.
Only, what is an f / f/ f/ w schedule?
(And yeah, that is why I was trying to get away without spraying....)
 
Azimuth said:
Yes, those look like leaf miners.

Unfortunately, a fly lays an egg that produces a larva that then tunnels in between the leaf surfaces so they are protected from sprays and such. I would think a systemic would be the best option short of some way to keep the flys from laying their eggs.

Maybe the @Sierra Natural Science product would work this way?
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Yes! This product is systemic, so it protects the entire plant. And hey it's also organic. OMRI Listed - 209 Systemic Pest Control
 
Ahh, ok. Thank you, @Azimuth .

If I put it on the soil, and then recycle the soil, does it stay in the soil from grow to grow?
(Meaning future grows would at least hypothetically be more protected? Meaning, putting it on the soil is not really a waste?)
 
el gringuito said:
Hi SNS.
How can I get your product in Colombia?
I went to Amazon.com, and they do not sell it.
Do you ship to Colombia?
Thanks.
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Oh, man, I'm really sorry. We can only ship within the US
 
There are other things you could look at to elicit a pest prevention response in an organic grow. Adding meals like neem, karanja, and crustacean along with facilitating microbes can help, as can malted barley.
 
@Azimuth , thanks.
I will try to look for neem, karanja, and crustacean meals. (I did not see them in the boutique shop, but I will look.)
I try to add some Orca microbes to the grow.
What is the deal with malted barley?
 
Sierra Natural Science said:
Oh, man, I'm really sorry. We can only ship within the US
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i've been bitching about it up here in the north as well. don't feel bad. there's loads of products we can't get.
there's a couple loopholes for some stuff. but it's pretty hard otherwise.
 
el gringuito said:
@Azimuth , thanks.
I will try to look for neem, karanja, and crustacean meals. (I did not see them in the boutique shop, but I will look.)
I try to add some Orca microbes to the grow.
What is the deal with malted barley?
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You should be able to find the malted barley at a beer brewing supply store if you have such a thing down your way.

Also, @Bill284 uses insect frass which is another thing that can help get the insect eating microbes going in your soil.

If you can't find crustacean meal, you could dry and crush the shells of crab, lobster, shrimp, etc. Maybe local restaurants offering seafood could be a source.
 
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